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AR-15 Rifles: The instruments of slaughter & murder in America

I would suggest you do more research through neutral sources.


A good start. You seem so concerned about rifles. 3% of homicides.

Record number of gun murders, a near record number of suicides. You all should be so proud of the gun violence in this nation.
 
Deflection. That’s all I ever get from the gun wackos. Why are they so afraid to answer this question in a straight-forward and honest manner?
Not saying the answer you want to hear is not the same as not answering.

Simple answer to your question is, I don't know. Truly.

And neither do you.
 
The answer is, I don't know. I can make some assumptions.

Like, that mass shooters believe the AR15 is a better weapon, because they don't realize that any other semi auto rifle that fires the .223 round is balistically the same? Of which there are many to choose from.

Maybe mass shooters aren't gun aficionados? Maybe, like you, they don't know much about this subject?

Maybe, they hear ignorant individuals like you calling them weapons of war, or assault weapons, and think, they must be the ideal weapon?

So many maybes.
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Last sentence: ridiculous deflection/outright lie. It shows you are simply not a serious chatter regarding this to
Ic.
 
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Last sentence: ridiculous deflection/outright lie. It shows you are simply not a serious chatter regarding this to
Ic.
You obviously know exactly why.

So answer your own question. Educate us lowly idiots.
 
Actually, it’s an honest question along the lines of “what are your ideas for new laws that will reduce gun crime without infringing upon the 2nd amendment rights of lawful gun owners”. It’s not a troll, at least not from me. If you have any original ideas that might actually help, I’m all ears.

The problem is that you and others can’t answer the question without violating the 2nd amendment. Then we get into discussions that it’s old, out of date, only applied to muskets, etc., etc. The only ideas I ever seem to see here is to ban this, restrict that or whatever, just things designed to punish gun owners who have never done anything wrong and will do zero to reduce gun crime or mass shooters.

Here’s the thing; gun owners aren’t your enemy, so stop acting like we are.

Here are some of my ideas:
1. Unseal juvenile records for background checks

2. Enact Project Exile nationwide which increases penalties for people convicted of crimes while in possession of a firearm

3. Allow gun owners access to NICS so they can voluntarily conduct background checks for personal gun sales if they choose

4. Make it a priority at all levels to enforce the tens of thousands of gun control laws already on the books, especially those used by criminals to acquire firearms

5. Fund research into what has changed in the last 40 years for high profile mass shootings to increase like they have, and find a solution

Thank you for offering some suggestions.
 
Some interesting facts. Facts are so inconvenient for spinners.

"From 1988 through August of 2019, more than 85 percent of Mass Public Shootings have occurred in gun-free zones."

Hmm, looks like the criminals didn't get the memo that guns aren't allowed in gun free zones.
  • Mass killings are very rare, accounting for only 0.2 percent of homicides every year and approximately 1 percent of homicide victims.
The fact is you are many times more likely to be struck by lightning than shot by a mass shooter.

"While the U.S. population is 4.6 percent of the world total, only 1.43 percent of mass public shooters were American."

So much for the dangerous gun culture in the US.


So it’s okay if most mass shootings are of kith and kin?
 
Record number of gun murders, a near record number of suicides. You all should be so proud of the gun violence in this nation.
This comment makes no sense, and is yet another example of trying to blame gun owners for things they aren’t responsible for. Gun owners have nothing to do with the criminal activity of others, or those who choose to take their own lives.
 
Does being hacked to pieces count or just plain old shot with shotguns or handguns?
Do you have data on the number of mass hacking incidents in the US?
In other words, yet another totally ridiculous deflection from you.
 
So if these shootings lately would have been done with 9mm handguns no problem right?

They try to spin that as a gaffe.

They weren’t done with a 9mm. Why did the shooter select the AR-15 instead?
 
"As a doctor, I feel I have a duty to inform the public of what I have learned"...in otherwords to play the game and get funded. you're right a little smarter than a turnip but I'll say not very much.;)

What did the doctor say that was inaccurate?
 
Why do you think everything you can't respond to is "deflection?"

Because I’m still waiting for even a single gun it to answer the question as asked in a straightforward and honest manner.
 
This comment makes no sense, and is yet another example of trying to blame gun owners for things they aren’t responsible for. Gun owners have nothing to do with the criminal activity of others, or those who choose to take their own lives.

What gun sanity laws could help to reduce these numbers?
 
You obviously know exactly why.

So answer your own question. Educate us lowly idiots.

You were at least trying until your last sentence, which then undermined your entire post because it was so utterly ridiculous.
 
Because I’m still waiting for even a single gun it to answer the question as asked in a straightforward and honest manner.
You'll be waiting forever, then.

First, it's hard to know why some people do what they do, or think what they think.

The answer you want is, they choose the AR-15 because it's the absolute best, creme de la creme killing tool, that's fairly easily accessible.

The problem with that statement, however, is that it simply isn't a true statement. So, you have to put a BELIEVE in front of it. The mass shooters BELIEVED it was the best choice.

But that narrative doesn't help the cause, because now you're suggesting legislation based on the beliefs of 10 mentaly unstable people from the past couple decades. Not a very tenable position.
 
Because I’m still waiting for even a single gun it to answer the question as asked in a straightforward and honest manner.

You didn't actually ask a question in your OP. You stated what you think the question is. And even if we were to interpret that as you asking us the question, there's nothing straightforward or honest about asking a question nobody can possibly answer.

Did you answer your own question?
 
The point of this thread is that when I have used the term “slaughter” in the past to define the mass murder of a large number of people with an AR-15, the gun apologists immediately get all bent out of shape about it, while I see it as a perfectly appropriate term.

Can you point to an example of this?
 
Record number of gun murders, a near record number of suicides. You all should be so proud of the gun violence in this nation.

Right after half a year of riots specifically designed to make the police run away with their tails between their legs.

What a coincidence.
 
You'll be waiting forever, then.

First, it's hard to know why some people do what they do, or think what they think.

The answer you want is, they choose the AR-15 because it's the absolute best, creme de la creme killing tool, that's fairly easily accessible.

The problem with that statement, however, is that it simply isn't a true statement. So, you have to put a BELIEVE in front of it. The mass shooters BELIEVED it was the best choice.

But that narrative doesn't help the cause, because now you're suggesting legislation based on the beliefs of 10 mentaly unstable people from the past couple decades. Not a very tenable position.

What they “believed” came to fruition since they were able to murder almost 200 people between the 6 of them.
 
You didn't actually ask a question in your OP. You stated what you think the question is. And even if we were to interpret that as you asking us the question, there's nothing straightforward or honest about asking a question nobody can possibly answer.

Did you answer your own question?

Another deflection
 
The question that you have never answered honestly: why would a mass murderer use an AR-15 as his weapon of choice?

The few mass murderers who are dumb enough to choose the AR-15 as their weapon of choice to kill large numbers of civilians do so for theatrical purposes. They generally admire other mass murderers who did the same, and they equate the look and media reputation of the AR-15 to personal power. They use an AR-15 because it subjectively makes them feel powerful, and they are either willing to sacrifice lethality for this, or are blessedly dumb enough to not understand what makes a firearm effective in a mass shooting scenario. Or else they are resigned to suicide and don't care about being immediately shot by police or an armed bystander.

Concealable handguns and spare magazines loaded with hollow point ammunition are tactically way more efficient weapons to kill large numbers of civilians in an enclosed area than AR-15's are for a large number of reasons. In fact, the only real advantages AR-15's and other sporting rifles would have over handguns in a mass shooting scenario is better accuracy at longer range, (which is completely lost in close range rapid fire scenarios, which are the majority of mass shootings,) and armor piercing capability, (an added concern only for law enforcement officers who are rarely the targets of mass shooters. A civilian isn't going to experience any difference between getting shot with an AR-15 or a 9mm.)

Magazine capacity is a wash because, while AR-15 magazines hold more rounds, the magazines themselves are much bigger and heavier, so fewer can be carried on the person, and it is harder to conceal them.

Damage to soft targets is a wash, because at point blank range, (the most common range that mass shootings happen) an AR-15 round is more likely to pass completely through a soft target making a smaller hole and doing far less damage than the larger, slower pistol round. At close range against a soft target like a civilian, a pistol round is no less deadly than an AR-15 round, and is quite often more deadly. Unless you are shooting at longer ranges from a concealed position, handguns make more sense. And other rifles besides AR-15's make more sense if you are shooting long distance from a concealed position. Most hunting rifles have more lethality and accuracy at longer ranges than AR-15's do.

Concealability is where the real advantage lies when it comes to mass shootings. A man with an AR-15 is an obvious target as the Greenwood Park Mall shooting proves. A man with a handgun could kill 18 people as fast as he can pull the trigger, and either surreptitiously reload and continue multiple times, or holster the weapon and join the fleeing victims to get away.

There is no tactical advantage to using an AR-15 or any other sporting rifle in a civilian mass shooting scenario. It is an ego move and nothing else.
 
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