Apparently, anti-abortion laws do not reduce abortions.

[Southern Dad]

Feel free to adopt thousands of orphans

Maybe then I'll believe you care about those babies

BTW, I got out of foster care work the third time the county/state forced me to give a child back to the same crackhead mother that abused and abandoned the child each time. I couldn't take it any more. It's also one of the reasons that I'm pro-abortion.

 

[TheGoverness]

Right. So what. They were just viruses. It is no big thing. Even though I am pro-abortion, I never want abortion to become as easy as getting a dental cleaning. It's a serious procedure that ends a life.

No, it's not a big deal.

 

[Removable Mind]

I have one child. I have had six stepchildren (adopted four of them). I have another that I just take care of... and I've fostered a dozen. It's been a great fifty years...

You've made a lot of money off the taxpayers yourself...

 

[Southern Dad]

If you're pro-abortion then I'm Jesus...of Nazareth, born a few thousand years ago.

I am pro-abortion. Very much so. I have seen way too many children living in horrible situations because their irresponsible mother had them. However, that doesn't mean that I think abortions should be just like going to the doctor for a quick little shot... It's a serious procedure and a person should be presented with all the facts, all the options, and the bill. Hopefully, the next time they'll consider the health department were $20 gets you three years of birth control.

 

[Southern Dad]

You've made a lot of money off the taxpayers yourself...

Not really. I always spent far more than I would get when I was fostering. Our county usually gave us the babies and several of them had some special needs. It has never been about money. Of course, I never got paid a dime on any of my stepchildren or my own child. My daughter's half-sister (not mine) I take care of, as well... not one dime on that situation either.

 

[year2late]

I am pro-abortion. Very much so. I have seen way too many children living in horrible situations because their irresponsible mother had them. However, that doesn't mean that I think abortions should be just like going to the doctor for a quick little shot... It's a serious procedure and a person should be presented with all the facts, all the options, and the bill. Hopefully, the next time they'll consider the health department were $20 gets you three years of birth control.

Part of the problem is that things like birth control pills depend on women reliably taking the pills at a set time and being wary of drug interactions. Think of the mother on crack. That $20 dollars for birth control pills are relatively worthless if she is not reliably taking them. Now....if that $20 was for an IUD or implantable contraception...that may be an entirely different issue.

 

[Southern Dad]

Part of the problem is that things like birth control pills depend on women reliably taking the pills at a set time and being wary of drug interactions. Think of the mother on crack. That $20 dollars for birth control pills are relatively worthless if she is not reliably taking them. Now....if that $20 was for an IUD or implantable contraception...that may be an entirely different issue.

Birth control pills aren't the only option there is that thing in the arm, which at our health department is only $20. And you have just demonstrated irresponsible women. Can't even take a pill. And if they can't afford birth control, how can they afford abortions?

 

[year2late]

Birth control pills aren't the only option there is that thing in the arm, which at our health department is only $20. And you have just demonstrated irresponsible women. Can't even take a pill. And if they can't afford birth control, how can they afford abortions?


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For your "crack" scenario long term options are the only reliable methods....can you find cost? I googled and it more talks about low cost pills and such.

 

[Southern Dad]

For your "crack" scenario long term options are the only reliable methods....can you find cost? I googled and it more talks about low cost pills and such.

 

[Southern Dad]

Compared to $800 if it is just the Abortion Pill, I can't even guess how much the vacuum procedure costs.

 

[Removable Mind]

Not really. I always spent far more than I would get when I was fostering. Our county usually gave us the babies and several of them had some special needs. It has never been about money. Of course, I never got paid a dime on any of my stepchildren or my own child. My daughter's half-sister (not mine) I take care of, as well... not one dime on that situation either.

Well, as a person who was a Guardian ad Litem representing a lot of special needs kids in the system and often interviewed children who had been placed in facilities that were near boot camps for emotionally disturbed children - who were kids that foster parents couldn't handle - I spent many, many hours in CPS court - I do know that Texas compensates foster parents enough so that they can keep them from dropping out of the program. I know this because in the case of children with special needs, they are probably in the most need and the most expensive children to care for. I sometimes had to fight CPS for more money for people who cared for them because expense went higher than expected. For for most children, foster parents don't do too bad.

 

[Removable Mind]

I am pro-abortion. Very much so. I have seen way too many children living in horrible situations because their irresponsible mother had them. However, that doesn't mean that I think abortions should be just like going to the doctor for a quick little shot... It's a serious procedure and a person should be presented with all the facts, all the options, and the bill. Hopefully, the next time they'll consider the health department were $20 gets you three years of birth control.

Then why the smug remarks about Kaley Anthony being aborted? You were very clear in the intent of your comments.

Don't know many times I've heard the same old argument that there's no difference between a human zygote life and a 80 year old man or woman other than a stretch of time. You were making that same point.

 

[Southern Dad]

Then why the smug remarks about Kaley Anthony being aborted? You were very clear in the intent of your comments.

Don't know many times I've heard the same old argument that there's no difference between a human zygote life and a 80 year old man or woman other than a stretch of time. You were making that same point.

Difference, killing one of them is usually legal and the other is rarely legal.

 

[Removable Mind]

Difference, killing one of them is usually legal and the other is rarely legal.

Thanks, your reply didn't disappoint.

Yeah, it's quite a thing watch those zygotes being blow up like a sex doll till they look like their 80.

 

[TheGoverness]

Difference, killing one of them is usually legal and the other is rarely legal.

Nope. Wrong answer.

Try again.

 

[shagg]

Difference, killing one of them is usually legal and the other is rarely legal.

I find it amusing that you want abortion clinics built in all the liberal areas, but you think abortion is murder.

So you basically want liberal babies to be murdered by their own mothers, who are irresponsible whores no less. But in the process, several things need to happen so that it's excessively difficult, and those irresponsible whores feel what you think is the appropriate amount of shame for their irresponsible behavior.

So your not pro-choice, you're pro-abortion so that the liberals can kill their unborn off and this will advance your own political ideology.

Your views lack any morality whatsoever and seem to be based solely on advancing the political ideology you support and shaming women who choose to terminate their pregnancies. There really is nothing else of substance you've put forward, unless I missed something.

 

[RAMOSS]

Part of the problem is that things like birth control pills depend on women reliably taking the pills at a set time and being wary of drug interactions. Think of the mother on crack. That $20 dollars for birth control pills are relatively worthless if she is not reliably taking them. Now....if that $20 was for an IUD or implantable contraception...that may be an entirely different issue.

I would love to see free long term birth control , particuarly for the under advantaged, as long as it can be easily removed at the choice of the woman.

 

[sangha]

BTW, I got out of foster care work the third time the county/state forced me to give a child back to the same crackhead mother that abused and abandoned the child each time. I couldn't take it any more. It's also one of the reasons that I'm pro-abortion.

Foster care "work"?

Gee, sounds like you really care so much about those kids you want to protect, as long as you get paid to do it

 

[Southern Dad]

I find it amusing that you want abortion clinics built in all the liberal areas, but you think abortion is murder.

So you basically want liberal babies to be murdered by their own mothers, who are irresponsible whores no less. But in the process, several things need to happen so that it's excessively difficult, and those irresponsible whores feel what you think is the appropriate amount of shame for their irresponsible behavior.

So your not pro-choice, you're pro-abortion so that the liberals can kill their unborn off and this will advance your own political ideology.

Your views lack any morality whatsoever and seem to be based solely on advancing the political ideology you support and shaming women who choose to terminate their pregnancies. There really is nothing else of substance you've put forward, unless I missed something.

Abortion is killing. It is the taking of a life. It is not murder. Killing is not always murder. Abortion is legal in the US with some reasonable restrictions. Both liberals and conservatives use abortion, however liberals use it more than conservatives. Hence the reason that Planned Parenthood builds their abortion mills where they do. As for shaming? An irresponsible woman gets pregnant then makes the decision to kill that unborn child? She should feel shame. Enough shame that she makes better decisions going forward.

 

[Southern Dad]

I would love to see free long term birth control , particuarly for the under advantaged, as long as it can be easily removed at the choice of the woman.

FREE. You do understand that the term FREE just means paid for by someone else. So what you really want is to seize more money from those that earn it to pay for this FREE birth control. Long term birth control is $20... That's not cheap enough? How much does an abortion cost?

 

[Southern Dad]

Foster care "work"?

Gee, sounds like you really care so much about those kids you want to protect, as long as you get paid to do it

Thanks for that flame baiting and insulting post. I always appreciate it when a left leaning poster throws out a character assassination like that. It lets me know which people on this site are worth having conversations with and with ones aren't. If you knew anything about foster parenting, you would know that it is work. What a person is paid for foster parenting does not cover the expenses. No one does foster parenting for the money. Just as child support never supports all of a child's needs. It isn't meant to do so. When a person opens their home to foster a child, especially an infant or a special needs child there are expenses. A lot of expenses.

I hope that when you read your post again, you feel real good about yourself. You believe that someone who even has the word dad in his name, doesn't care about kids. What is even more ironic is that you posted in a thread about abortion.

 

[RAMOSS]

FREE. You do understand that the term FREE just means paid for by someone else. So what you really want is to seize more money from those that earn it to pay for this FREE birth control. Long term birth control is $20... That's not cheap enough? How much does an abortion cost?

So?? It's a lot cheaper in the long run to pay for people's birth control than pay for welfare, and an increased crime rate.

 

[Removable Mind]

FREE. You do understand that the term FREE just means paid for by someone else. So what you really want is to seize more money from those that earn it to pay for this FREE birth control. Long term birth control is $20... That's not cheap enough? How much does an abortion cost?

About 1500 x 1 million. You do the math. Most abortions are self-paid, not all, but most. Medicaid does pick up the bill if the woman's life or long-term health is at stake.

But that's not near the problem as the $ numbers taxpayers put out for abused, abandoned, neglected, unwanted children in the system.

Or, how about the number of children born to women whose moral beliefs won't allow them to abort despite not being able to pay for them. Taxpayers will incur the costs of about 300k per child over their lifetime.

 

[Removable Mind]

Abortion is killing. It is the taking of a life. It is not murder. Killing is not always murder. Abortion is legal in the US with some reasonable restrictions. Both liberals and conservatives use abortion, however liberals use it more than conservatives. Hence the reason that Planned Parenthood builds their abortion mills where they do. As for shaming? An irresponsible woman gets pregnant then makes the decision to kill that unborn child? She should feel shame. Enough shame that she makes better decisions going forward.

Abortion mill is way more commonly used among pro-life advocates. Odd that you even find it necessary to use.

Define irresponsible women. Then define how their sexual conduct is more irresponsible than men...who, by the way, have 100% responsibility to prevent their sperm from fusing from an ovum...regardless of his sex partners wishes he not use protection or claims of taking birth control. Well, an exception might be live together couples or married folks who know for a fact that one or the other is sterile...might be less cautious.

Does it matter which political persuasion a woman possesses? I'm betting that there are a hell of a lot more good conservatives and catholics (or women of other religions who are against abortion) who get abortions but would never report themselves as being such.

 

[Southern Dad]

So?? It's a lot cheaper in the long run to pay for people's birth control than pay for welfare, and an increased crime rate.

Why do you insist that I should have to pay for either someone's birth control or their welfare? I'm not the one doing the deed. It's not my seed. Welfare should be severely limited with per incident and lifetime caps. In addition work requirements should be enforced. No free lunch.