Anyone else not excited about the first Tuesday in November?

[Schweddy]

I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?

 

[tessaesque]

I didn't vote in the Texas primary because it didn't matter in regards to the presidential election.

Our senatorial primary was a joke, too. Maybe should have voted in that one, though.

 

[ChuckBerry]

If only "meh" was an option.

 

[obamakillsjobs]

I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?

I really really liked Newt. But that didn't pan out. Romney may or may not be similar to Obama. But his main difference is he is not a radical trying to fundamentally change America. Him and Ryan simply want to create a environment for job growth. He differs in the sense he is not blind by his ideology. He understands that spending money does not grow jobs. The simple truth is that as a business owner I have seen more negative change in the last three years than ever before.

 

[Redress]

Ignored it's own rules how Vauge?

 

[Fishstyx]

Wouldn't say extremely excited but pretty motivated.

Wholeheartedly disagree with "there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney."

 

[Bobcat]

Even though Romney is far from the perfect conservative candidate, he is the only way to remove Obama. If we give Obama another 4 years, we won't recognize the USA in 2016 and it will be too late to turn it around. We will be a larger version of Greece.

 

[Schweddy]

Wholeheartedly disagree with "there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney."

Even though Romney is far from the perfect conservative candidate, he is the only way to remove Obama. If we give Obama another 4 years, we won't recognize the USA in 2016 and it will be too late to turn it around. We will be a larger version of Greece.

I dunno, I don't like Obama at all but I do not see him as an American hater that many conservative tv/radio paint him as. That idea is kinda silly. To me, the Patriot Act was just as bad if not worse that anything that Obama has done. We all know where that started. Obamacare is pretty bad, but it took congress to approve it. I think we already do not recognize America and whatever Prez we put up there (of the two) we will continue to down the same path. Our congress votes these bills in. That is where it starts. Regardless of who is in there come January, they have that little thing from NAFTA that gives them executive privilege and they can claim just about anything is for "war". I fear for my children's future.

I just don't trust either of them or even congress at this point.

 

[MaggieD]

I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?

No, it isn't. I am convinced that Obama's second term will send us further away from the ideals that made our country great . . . to trumpet some Yankee Doodle Dandy.

My greatest wish, however, is simply that Dems don't win a majority in both houses. I don't see how that's going to happen and I'm not too worried about it, but heaven help us if they do.

I am convinced that Obama is a socialist, having come to that conclusion after seeing the 2016: Obama's America movie that went into his early life and reminded us who Obama's mentors were. The fact that he won't release his college records emphasizes to me that the classes he took are the real problem...maybe with how he was actually admitted. But the classes? I'm betting heavy on socialism. Because that's where I think his heart lies.

I'm not apathetic, because I'm afraid he will be re-elected with a majority in both houses. Sans that? Unless he uses Executive Orders to grant amnesty or further weaken our democratic process? It'll be business as usual.

 

[Schweddy]

My greatest wish, however, is simply that Dems don't win a majority in both houses. I don't see how that's going to happen and I'm not too worried about it, but heaven help us if they do.

This I agree with.

 

[Dragonfly]

I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate.

Are you suggesting there's been nationwide fraud within the Republican party and the nomination process? <-- clicky

 

[Fishstyx]

I dunno, I don't like Obama at all but I do not see him as an American hater that many conservative tv/radio paint him as. That idea is kinda silly. To me, the Patriot Act was just as bad if not worse that anything that Obama has done. We all know where that started. Obamacare is pretty bad, but it took congress to approve it. I think we already do not recognize America and whatever Prez we put up there (of the two) we will continue to down the same path. Our congress votes these bills in. That is where it starts. Regardless of who is in there come January, they have that little thing from NAFTA that gives them executive privilege and they can claim just about anything is for "war". I fear for my children's future.

I just don't trust either of them or even congress at this point.

Well, I don't trust politicians at all. Picking one over another is generally the lesser of two evils, two party system, just the way it is. I've already come to the realization that someone that aligns with my view points perfectly would never get elected. Its not because they're extreme, just that they don't plug nicely into either of the two parties.

In addition, I'm a gambler. I know what 4 more years of Obama would bring. It would be twice as bad simply because he has no fear of reelection looming on the horizon. Do I know for sure what Romney would do as president, nope. I'm willing to make that gamble. What I do know, is the guy knows how to manage a large entity. Proven with Bain and the Olympics. Obama came into the job talking a big game but as reality set in, the guy needs a map and flashlight to lead himself out of a cardboard box.

And its beyond which bills get past and don't. As the President, he sets the tone and direction of the regulatory agencies under his control. The tone he's set over the last 3 years has been a downright catastrophe.

In this contest, the lesser of of the two evils is pretty damn obvious to anyone who even leans slightly conservative.

 

[Schweddy]

Are you suggesting there's been nationwide fraud within the Republican party and the nomination process? <-- clicky

Not the type of fraud that link is claiming. But 'good ole boy' counting. It is not new in the US, but it should be stopped. However, on delegate selection it is often perfectly legal to fudge the numbers. In some states the popular vote is completely irrelevant and the delegates are selected and told what to do. The DP/RP are private entities and not government agencies.

The biggest thing I can hope for in this election is that people become informed as to what is really going on. Whatever that may be in their area.

 

[Dragonfly]

Not the type of fraud that link is claiming. But 'good ole boy' counting. It is not new in the US, but it should be stopped. However, on delegate selection it is often perfectly legal to fudge the numbers. In some states the popular vote is completely irrelevant and the delegates are selected and told what to do. The DP/RP are private entities and not government agencies.

The biggest thing I can hope for in this election is that people become informed as to what is really going on. Whatever that may be in their area.

So you're saying public primaries are 100% wastes of time?

 

[Schweddy]

So you're saying public primaries are 100% wastes of time?

In *some* states presidential primaries, very much so. Not in all states.

 

[theseki]

Even though Romney is far from the perfect conservative candidate, he is the only way to remove Obama. If we give Obama another 4 years, we won't recognize the USA in 2016 and it will be too late to turn it around. We will be a larger version of Greece.

Greece! Greece I tell you!

Nevermind that the US economy and situation is fundamentally very very different from Greece. And Greece is presently in a position it cant recover from mainly because of the Euro; the many things Greece did wrong notwithstanding, it is Germany and the shared currency that is currently their problem.

United States isnt part of the Eurozone; German banks dont dictate your policies. You wont be like Greece.

 

[poweRob]

I have geek lust for elections. So I'm always... er... UP for them.

 

[Higgins86]

I cant wait for it! I cant wait to turn on the news and not feel sick.

 

[Your Star]

My greatest wish, however, is simply that Dems don't win a majority in both houses. I don't see how that's going to happen and I'm not too worried about it, but heaven help us if they do.

Funny, I'm really hoping for this :lol:

 

[Helix]

I have geek lust for elections. So I'm always... er... UP for them.

while i would prefer a wider variety of choices, i'm always excited to watch the debates and the returns coming in on election day. i figure that i only get so many of these in my lifetime, and each one is historic.

 

[poweRob]

while i would prefer a wider variety of choices, i'm always excited to watch the debates and the returns coming in on election day. i figure that i only get so many of these in my lifetime, and each one is historic.

very true. I think its just fun to follow. Frustrating... but mostly fun. I too long for days where we actually have choices that Wolf Blitzer doesn't decree to the public is acceptable for us to vote for.

 

[Higgins86]

very true. I think its just fun to follow. Frustrating... but mostly fun. I too long for days where we actually have choices that Wolf Blitzer doesn't decree to the public is acceptable for us to vote for.

fun? Watching 2 intelligent men reduced to playground bullying?

 

[poweRob]

fun? Watching 2 intelligent men reduced to playground bullying?

Not that as much as watching the returns on election night and watching the progress in the debates and such as Helix just mentioned. It'd be much more fun season if there were no commercials.

 

[Higgins86]

Not that as much as watching the returns on election night and watching the progress in the debates and such as Helix just mentioned.

ah yeh fair enough! I normally get involved with some election night drinking games

 

[cpwill]

I dunno, I don't like Obama at all but I do not see him as an American hater that many conservative tv/radio paint him as. That idea is kinda silly. To me, the Patriot Act was just as bad if not worse that anything that Obama has done.

Nah. Obama claims the right to drone-missile American citizens without trial. That seems a bit harsher than listening in to telephone calls from Pakistan to Iran that route through New York.

As for the election itself, I can't be excited for Romney. I can be excited for Ryan, but will remain suspicious of Romney. I suppose while the night itself will be interesting, grim determination is more the emotion I bring to the task set before us.