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Gaius46 said:
Burning and then burying the ashes is one of the few ways an old flag is supposed to be retired. I'm gonna bet at some of the anti flag burners either don't have one or if they do just toss old ones in the trash or do something else similarly disrespect to get rid of old flags.
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Hopefully, you have lots of family and acquaintances who well understand, respect, and would never "get rid" of worn flags in any manner other than via proper methods. However, your comment makes me wonder if maybe you might not.

This country has a deeply unsettling number of very anti-American people residing in it at present.
 
Even if you hate it, a burning flag is a symbol of patriotism. Because when you see that one person can legally burn or otherwise disrespect a flag, it means that every other flag you see is being flown as a voluntary expression of patriotic sentiment, not out of fear and conformity. You need the disrespect to make the respect meaningful. I expect this is roughly analogous to certain deeper Christian dialogues on the purpose of sin.
 
gbg3 said:
Hopefully, you have lots of family and acquaintances who well understand, respect, and would never "get rid" of worn flags in any manner other than via proper methods. However, your comment makes me wonder if maybe you might not.

This country has a deeply unsettling number of very anti-American people residing in it at present.
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I can speak only to my family - brothers and cousins - and yes they do. What of it?

No idea if some my friends fly the flag or not and it's really irrelevant. My point is that I'd bet good money that some people who harp on flag burning have no ****ing clue about how to respect it.

What makes you think that someone who burns the flag or points out our flaws is anti American? "My country right or wrong" is not only unthinkingly stupid but deeply unpatriotic.

I criticize my goverment routinely because we get things wrong all the time - especially right now. But I'd put my patriotism and love of my homeland up againat anyones.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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Because if you get a bunch of people in a group, statistically, some will be stupid.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Because one can leave a nation and not their culture, effectively bringing their culture with them and use a flag to celebrate that culture.

And because they can burn a US flag because part of being an American is being allowed to signify a problem with the US by using free speech to burn the flag to show protest.
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Doing one or the other may, indeed, represent what you say. However, doing both in the same event shows a preference for one over the other.

Jason Warfield said:
Folks like you automatically assume two erroneous things. First, you mistakenly believe that any time someone burns the US flag, that they hate America, which is rarely true
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What I usually conclude when a peaceful protest moves toward rioting and the burning of the American flag is that the protestors are either (1) being used by anti-American organizations or, (2) are part of such organizations.
Jason Warfield said:
Second, you forget that being American means you live in a nation of multiple, different cultures from other lands. The culture of America is derived from all of those cultures.
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I don't forget it at all. My own history comes from several countries, as does that of my wife. I respect each of those cultural contributions to America, and believe that the lawful amalgamation of all of those cultures is the strength of the country.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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I don't know if I can answer that question without referencing Tom Wolfe, who said that "you can never really go home again".
Sure, you can return to a former place you lived in but once a certain amount of time has passed, it's never the same.

As regards the flag burning issue, when I worked for the Russian language cable TV show here in LA back in the Eighties we would deal with a steady flow of guest artists
from the USSR and one night I was ferrying a performer back to his hotel after a shoot and the subject of flag burning came up on the radio during a news break.

I couldn't resist asking him about it because his English was really good and this was his sixth visit to our West Hollywood studio anyway, we all knew each other.
His response:

"I would rather live in a country where it is legal to burn the flag and hardly anyone wants to, than live in a country where it is against the law to burn the flag and almost everyone wants to."

Personally I consider burning the US flag an ass kicking offense most of the time and my reason is, that flag belongs to US, the American people.
It does not belong to the government, or a president, or Congress or the military. It is OUR flag and if I am angry, my beef is more with a situation or with the way the country is being run.
If I was going to burn a flag it would be flags that belong to the White House, or Congress, or a state flag if the issue is state specific.

Old Glory should not be burned because it is our flag.
But even as much as I consider it an ass-kicking offense I still respect that it is legal to do so.
It's just that in most cases you might not sell me on the reasons why.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
To have enlisted in the military, they must have been here legally.
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The government ROUTINELY deports veterans. Just because they were here legally at the time of enlistment doesn't mean they maintain all the rights of citizens or even green card holders.

Which should be a hint to you that the entire system is bullshit.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
What I usually conclude when a peaceful protest moves toward rioting and the burning of the American flag is that the protestors are either (1) being used by anti-American organizations or, (2) are part of such organizations.
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Okay I am glad you said that because famous hippie peace activist Peter Coyote advises protesters to carry American flags, and to dress presentably and to practice peace and non-violence.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
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Way to out yourself.
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It's an honor to be considered outed by any person who fully supports burning the American flag just because they think the worst people in America (in their opinion) are those who wouldn't like or agree with burning our American flag. That's utterly disgusting, TheDoctorWasin! It sure makes me ponder the actual "worst" people in America and with complete disgust!
 
gbg3 said:
It's an honor to be considered outed by any person who fully supports burning the American flag just because they think the worst people in America (in their opinion) are those who wouldn't like or agree with burning our American flag. That's utterly disgusting, TheDoctorWasin! It sure makes me ponder the actual "worst" people in America and with complete disgust!
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🤣

You just can't stop proving my point for me, can you?

Please, feel free to cry about it some more. This is just the sort of butthurt I enjoy.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
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You just can't stop proving my point for me, can you?

Please, feel free to cry about it some more. This is just the sort of butthurt I enjoy.
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"Cry" about or because of someone like you've shown you are, based on the comment you posted - would never be the reaction I'd have to such a person. I already expressed the immediate and clear reaction your comment brought to me, multiple times now.
 
Gordy327 said:
They can do as they wish. Its that whole freedom thing.
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Nobody is saying they can't. But we're talking about people that don't belong here but most of us don't want here shitting on the country again they want to be in.

And this instance I would say deporting them is doing the favor they get to leave the country they hate so much.
Gordy327 said:
Which conflict? There are multiple conflicts going on.
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gbg3 said:
It's an honor to be considered outed by any person who fully supports burning the American flag just because they think the worst people in America (in their opinion) are those who wouldn't like or agree with burning our American flag. That's utterly disgusting, TheDoctorWasin! It sure makes me ponder the actual "worst" people in America and with complete disgust!
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Usually flags get burned in protest of wars that are seen as unjust and result in huge casualties of both military and civilians. It is strange that you see burning a flag as the greater offense.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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Specifically who is doing that?

Do you have an example of somone who is resisting going back and burning the flag of the country they left everything to be a part of?

Seems to me you think all "Mexicans" are the same.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Sorry. I didn't think that was hard. "They" is the people who do both things.
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I assume you're talking about protesters in L.A. How do you know that the people burning US flags weren't actually born here? I mean, I've never even been to Mexico but I've got a picture of Julio Cesar Chavez holding a Mexican flag for my profile pic (if you're triggered, don't worry, I change my pic every 3-4 days on average).
 
NolanVoyd said:
Do you have an example of somone who is resisting going back and burning the flag of the country they left everything to be a part of?
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Not by name, no. Burning the flag is a fairly extreme thing to do, and I would think the people most disturbed by the efforts of the government would be those most affected by it. I could be wrong, of course. It could just be those who are tools of anti-American organizations, or ignorant people who think that it'll make the government change course.
 
multivita-man said:
How do you know that the people burning US flags weren't actually born here? I mean, I've never even been to Mexico but I've got a picture of Julio Cesar Chavez holding a Mexican flag for my profile pic
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Do you have a picture of Cesar Chavez burning an American flag?
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Not by name, no
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Because you are conflating different groups of people.
RetiredAtLast said:
. Burning the flag is a fairly extreme thing to do, and I would think the people most disturbed by the efforts of the government would be those most affected by it.
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Evidence?

Seems to me those most disturbed by it are the Americans.

immigrants tend to keep their heads down and fly under the radar.
RetiredAtLast said:
I could be wrong, of course.
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you are.
 
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