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lynnwinslow said:
The false dilemma fallacy is never a good way to try to prove a point. There is a lot of gray area between black or white.
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yeah,
the OP is only showing off the chip on his shoulder
the selective framing shows that even though the author is ostensibly just asking a question,
the author is not actually looking for info,
just to complain
 
lynnwinslow said:
The false dilemma fallacy is never a good way to try to prove a point. There is a lot of gray area between black or white.
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Of course there is. Does your comment imply that the flag of the place one doesn't want to be represents a more brutal country than the place one is in?
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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Why are you assuming it’s not Americans burning their own flag in protest of their government?

As for why they fly other countries’ flags, maybe it’s because there isn’t a flag for immigrants?

Why, as an American(?), are you offended by this exercise of the freedom of speech and protest, a fundamental constitutional right?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
yeah,
the OP is only showing off the chip on his shoulder
the selective framing shows that even though the author is ostensibly just asking a question,
the author is not actually looking for info,
just to complain
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You're mistaken. The apparent conflict arose as I watched one flag being burned in the L.A. riot, and another being waved. I don't understand the mind of someone who would do both in a country they gave up so much to be in.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
You're mistaken. The apparent conflict arose as I watched one flag being burned in the L.A. riot, and another being waved. I don't understand the mind of someone who would do both in a country they gave up so much to be in.
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I can only speculate
 
Cameron said:
Why are you assuming it’s not Americans burning their own flag in protest of their government?

As for why they fly other countries’ flags, maybe it’s because there isn’t a flag for immigrants?

Why, as an American(?), are you offended by this exercise of the freedom of speech and protest, a fundamental constitutional right?
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I assumed it was not Americans because the other flag was being celebrated in the same event. Perhaps my assumption was wrong.

Not every reaction is opposition to Constitutional rights.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
That's half of the answer. Is the other half of it that, "I burn this flag because I don't like the culture I chose to live in."?
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That is also very true, but why don't those people just return to the places of their birth? America is definitely a nation of immigrants and we have a very generous legal immigration policy. Is it too much to ask that immigrants assimilate into our country and culture?
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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When your country acts like an asshole burning the flag is a way to show your disapproval

As to the Mexican flag why not? You don't believe someone can live here, love this country, and still also love their homeland?
 
Gaius46 said:
As to the Mexican flag why not? You don't believe someone can live here, love this country, and still also love their homeland?
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Yes, we see a lot of that on ethnic holidays, such as St. Patrick's Day. But we don't see people at those same events burning the flag of this country
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Yes, we see a lot of that on ethnic holidays, such as St. Patrick's Day. But we don't see people at those same events burning the flag of this country
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Yeah but we aren't rounding up Irishmen in tje dead of night, denying them due process etc. Nor has the military ever been called in that I remember to protect cops riding shotgun on the St Pat's parade in NYC. Kind of a different set of circumstances.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Then if the question is brutality, do the people who wave one flag and burn the other choose to live under worse brutality?
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This is a good point. I don't like some of the things our leaders do even Donald Trump I didn't like some of the things to Biden dead or Trump the first time or Barack Obama I never felt compelled to burn the flag.

I don't think the flag represents the leader I think it represents the people.

I've noticed occasionally some people will say that they get nervous around people who display the American flag.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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Some of our Vietnam Vets burned our flag.

My guess is some of our ex slaves also burned our flag in private.
 
Gaius46 said:
I'm not one to burn our flag but it is protected speech.
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Well I'm not saying it's criminal.

Saying gay people are an abomination is not criminal, but I'm going to question it.

Not being a criminal act doesn't mean that there's no need to justify it.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Some of our Vietnam Vets burned our flag.
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Why? The flag represents the citizens not the government.
CaughtInThe said:
My guess is some of our ex slaves also burned our flag in private.
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That's even more bizarre. Burning a flag is a statement. Making a statement that no one will hear is odd.
 
Gaius46 said:
Yeah but we aren't rounding up Irishmen in tje dead of night, denying them due process etc.
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Nor are we doing that to other nationalities. Of about 200 people arrested by ICE in L.A. almost all had criminal records, had final orders of removal or had returned to this country after having been deported once. They've had their due process.
Gaius46 said:
Nor has the military ever been called in that I remember to protect cops riding shotgun
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The National Guard was called in because the LAPD refused to act in the face of attacks on federal facilities.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Nor are we doing that to other nationalities. Of about 200 people arrested by ICE in L.A. almost all had criminal records, had final orders of removal or had returned to this country after having been deported once. They've had their due process.

The National Guard was called in because the LAPD refused to act in the face of attacks on federal facilities.
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Can you actually provide evidence of your first contention? Or is it just what you heard on the news? The LAPD's press release this morning noted 42 arrests with no information whatsoever on previous criminal activity so I'm guessing your information is incorrect.

And so what. The LAPD is
more than capable of dealing with a protest.

As to your second contention strangely Trump's EO says nothing about protecting federal facilities
because the LAPD won't. In fact most federal facilities have their own - non military - security.

The EO does talk about protecting ICE agents. What are they a bunch of unarmed grandmas?
 
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RetiredAtLast said:
VietNam vets were not people who came to this country voluntarily in preference to a home country.
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Plenty of US soldiers were immigrants who saddled-up with the government promise of citizenship.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Why do people burn the flag of the nation that they have left everything to be part of, yet parade and wave the flag of the country that they are resisting going back to?
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Probably because the know it annoys the hell out of some people they are trying to annoy....
 
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