The Giant Noodle
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There was a court case. Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop the charges . I guess he paid her all that phat cash because he did absolutely nothing to her. :shrug:
That's just the way it works out here in the real world.
That is just plain factually wrong. The argument that the fact that we waterboard our troops in training and therefore waterboarding is not ever torture under any circumstances, is one of the most facile, incoherent arguments I've ever heard.
Please, just read the definition of torture. It's been posted several times. Torture only applies in limited instances, such as interrogation. Even assuming that waterboarding for military training isn't consented to (patently untrue, but let's just grant it for the sake of argument), training is not one of the ennumerated circumstances in which the war crime of torture can even occur. Read the definition of torture, please.
You need to recognize that water boarding for interrogation purposes is torture, water boarding for training purposes is not, period. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of definition. Since you're deliberately ignoring the actual definition, I'm afraid I can no longer indulge you until you have done so.
obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind
Do you have a source for the law you're referring to?
Those Japanese soldiers we executed after WWII for waterboarding American soldiers?
Those Japanese soldiers we executed after WWII for waterboarding American soldiers?
That IS 100% true. Just not sure if its extorsion. Probably not.
Probably not?
Do you think the President of the United States, with all his high priced lawyers and advisors, would allow himself to be extorted by a young woman from small town Arkansas?
She must have been a great deal smarter than them to plan and get away with such a scheme!
Clinton's MO is Deny! Deny! Deny! and denigrate the claimant until the evidence is irrefutable, as in the Lewinsky case also. Then it's the 'Aw Shucks' and a big grin defense
Torture only applies in limited instances, such as interrogation.
That all that mch easier, when the press is out there lending a hand with the denigration.
It was a disgrace, wasn't it Apdst?
At one time the media, or so goes the tale anyway, was suppose to expose government wrongdoing. Now they participate in it.
We should all be suspicious of government certainly but, over time, i've become far more suspicious of the media.
It has to be frustrating for the media to see GW Bush's popularity growing and in some cases higher than Obama's. how can this be? Anyone that has watched any of the Bush interviews promoting his book can see why. What a classy individual he really is, totally different than the public image created by the media. The continued hatred of individuals here who suffered nothing under GW Bush just goes to show how intellectually bankrupt those people are and how they have entirely too much invested in the destruction of a good man.
It has to be frustrating for the media to see GW Bush's popularity growing and in some cases higher than Obama's. how can this be? Anyone that has watched any of the Bush interviews promoting his book can see why. What a classy individual he really is, totally different than the public image created by the media. The continued hatred of individuals here who suffered nothing under GW Bush just goes to show how intellectually bankrupt those people are and how they have entirely too much invested in the destruction of a good man.
We hate the man for his actions, not his personality. I know this may be difficult for members of the Cult of Reagan...
We hate the man for his actions, not his personality. I know this may be difficult for members of the Cult of Reagan...
Wow Deuce, you speak for the entirety of the American Left now. Cool.That you "hate" the man says a great deal about the Left today.
You hate his actions because you base your opinions out of ignorance, not facts which of course you want to ignore. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify and that is good advice for liberals. It is ok to buy the rhetoric but then verify that rhetoric for if you did you wouldn't buy the media spin again. GW Bush did nothing more than do his job which was to protect and defend this country. That was his number one priority and he did it well.
Wow Deuce, you speak for the entirety of the American Left now. Cool.
Is that an elected or appointed position?
Wow Deuce, you speak for the entirety of the American Left now. Cool.
Is that an elected or appointed position?
As far as rhetorec is concerned, what has been purchased wholesale by far too many people is that "you are either with us or against us". Between the jingoists who vote "with" and the reactionaries voting "against", there is little room for those who reject the torture, but also realize that Amnesty International has quite the agenda of their own.
It is either torture or it is not torture.
Wow Deuce, you speak for the entirety of the American Left now. Cool.
Is that an elected or appointed position?
I don't "feel" anything. I'm just responding to your implication that he is. :shrug:You feel Deuce is speaking for the entire Left?? I certainly hope thats not the case.
Done to Americans? Crime worthy of death!
Done to suspected terrorists? Oh, no biggy.
You feel Deuce is speaking for the entire Left?? I certainly hope thats not the case.
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