All 4 living former presidents say Trump’s claim that they wanted a border wall is false

[Lutherf]

You are lying again. You said he encouraged illegals to vote and told them they could. He never did that, and you know it. You are lying and I can't stomach another one of your disgusting lying posts.

I'm heartbroken.

He DID encourage illegals to vote. He DID imply that they wouldn't get caught if they did.

You posted the transcript yourself. If you want to split a hair that fine then good for you but but doing so is completely disingenuous.

 

[JasperL]

President Trump is no better or worse than any other president we've had, at least in our lifetime.
With the exception of Jimmy Carter, show me one who is more morally intact than Trump.

All these smoke screens and mirrors, put up by the left and their barking media clowns, is a lame attempt to gain back power.

Yes, everyone is a sinner, so no sinner is any better or worse than any other sinner. And, "Mom! He did it TOO!!!" always worked great for me as a kid, and seems like an excellent bar with which to judge behavior of our elected representatives, including President.

 

[tres borrachos]

I believe the issue is that he may have misunderstood her question as she was asking about illegal aliens voting and fear of getting caught. He did later clarify the if you have an undocumented person in your family then it makes her vote that much more important so in my opinion I don't believe he was trying to encourage illegals to vote but rather he didn't catch the fact she was talking about noncitizens voting.

I listened to it again and i didn't get that. She went wrong when she called non-citizens "citizens". But he knew what she was talking about. He encouraged all citizens (plainly) to vote so they could be the voices of people who weren't citizens and couldn't vote.

That was an alt right site that took 30 seconds of a longer interview and snipped it so the easily fooled would think he was telling illegals to vote. It worked, apparently.

 

[tres borrachos]

I'm heartbroken.

He DID encourage illegals to vote. He DID imply that they wouldn't get caught if they did.

You posted the transcript yourself. If you want to split a hair that fine then good for you but but doing so is completely disingenuous.

Keep doubling down on the dishonesty. It's all you Trump fans have anymore. It's all he has too.

Watch out when he tells you to drink the Kool-Aid, but knowing you, you'll do it.

 

[Lutherf]

He says later in the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=281&v=oLLt-a6dI_0

Go to 4:15 or so

Obama: Part of what is important for latino CITIZENS (emphasis by Obama) is to make your voice heard because you're not just speaking for yourself, you're speaking for family members, friends...who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote, but they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.

That part was posted too. Tres just copied that section of the Snopes page.

Obama is the one who split a hair with what you're talking about. You'll notice that the transcript show Obama saying "...can't legally vote". That "legally" is necessary because he knows damned well that he just implied that they could vote illegally and not get caught.

 

[trixare4kids]

Yes, everyone is a sinner, so no sinner is any better or worse than any other sinner. And, "Mom! He did it TOO!!!" always worked great for me as a kid, and seems like an excellent bar with which to judge behavior of our elected representatives, including President.

Yes, it does work when calling out DP posters who won't admit that their TDS for this president is based on their politics.
Like I said, he is no more immoral and dishonest than the rest of our past presidents, at least in my lifetime.
Exception is Jimmy Carter though while honest sucked as a president. M/O.

 

[JasperL]

I'm betting that poster was for Bush's secure fence act legislation before they became a Trump border enforcement resister.
Place your bets here, folks.

OK, let's try this with you.

If you support Medicare for old people, you therefore do or must logically support Medicare for ALL! If you voted for a defense bill in 2012 then you therefore must support every other defense bill for all the rest of time. If you voted for building a particular stretch of interstate, then you therefore must support every proposal to build or extend or widen any interstate, anywhere, for any length or cost. If your spouse says, "Let's go out for dinner" and you say, "Great" then obviously you must support dinner at the local 5 star restaurant where the bill will run into the $hundreds of dollars because if you support going out for dinner then you must, therefore, support any dinner anywhere at any price!!

Etc. That's the logic. Of course it makes no sense, but that's the state of right wing politics in 2019.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

That part was posted too. Tres just copied that section of the Snopes page.

Obama is the one who split a hair with what you're talking about. You'll notice that the transcript show Obama saying "...can't legally vote". That "legally" is necessary because he knows damned well that he just implied that they could vote illegally and not get caught.

Sad, just so sad, how much you want to make him the bad guy.

 

[tres borrachos]

OK, let's try this with you.

If you support Medicare for old people, you therefore do or must logically support Medicare for ALL! If you voted for a defense bill in 2012 then you therefore must support every other defense bill for all the rest of time. If you voted for building a particular stretch of interstate, then you therefore must support every proposal to build or extend or widen any interstate, anywhere, for any length or cost. If your spouse says, "Let's go out for dinner" and you say, "Great" then obviously you must support dinner at the local 5 star restaurant where the bill will run into the $hundreds of dollars because if you support going out for dinner then you must, therefore, support any dinner anywhere at any price!!

Etc. That's the logic. Of course it makes no sense, but that's the state of right wing politics in 2019.

Please stop confusing Trump lovers with right wingers. Right wingers aren't stupid. Trump supporters don't support the right wing. They idolize the fake named Trump, up to and including attacking any real Republican who sees through him and knows he is a fraud.

 

[tres borrachos]

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Sad, just so sad, how much you want to make him the bad guy.

Luther is lying again. Now he's talking about what Obama "implied".

Trump Fan Nation's IQ rivals that of a dust bunny.

 

[Lutherf]

Sad, just so sad, how much you want to make him the bad guy.

I never cease to be amazed at how you folks tell us how well spoken and legally accurate Obama always was on the one hand and then tun around to "he didn't mean that" when his words don't suit your theory.

 

[trixare4kids]

Please stop confusing Trump lovers with right wingers. Right wingers aren't stupid. Trump supporters don't support the right wing. They idolize the fake named Trump, up to and including attacking any real Republican who sees through him and knows he is a fraud.

You mean a Rhino?
Kasich is not a real Republican. He's a fraud.
Didn't you vote for him?

Btw, I didn't vote for any frauds. I refused to vote for either of the two 2016 presidential candidates.

 

[Truckstop]

Yes, it does work when calling out DP posters who won't admit that their TDS for this president is based on their politics.
Like I said, he is no more immoral and dishonest than the rest of our past presidents, at least in my lifetime.
Exception is Jimmy Carter though while honest sucked as a president. M/O.

That should qualify as one of the dumbest things said on this forum.

Name the other presidents that:

Bragged about walking in on teenage girls in various stages of undress.

Cheated on every wife(admitted by him) including rawdogging pornstars while the wife was home with a 6 month old baby.

Laughed about leaving an old man with a head injury laying on the ground because he didn't want to get bloody.

I know your going to try to spin but those actions are that of a piece of garbage, NO good people voted for or support that kind of garbage.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

I never cease to be amazed at how you folks tell us how well spoken and legally accurate Obama always was on the one hand and then tun around to "he didn't mean that" when his words don't suit your theory.

There is not an eyeroll dramatic enough to convey how little respect this sentiment deserves.

 

[trixare4kids]

I never cease to be amazed at how you folks tell us how well spoken and legally accurate Obama always was on the one hand and then tun around to "he didn't mean that" when his words don't suit your theory.

I really respect Neil Cavuto.
He does not mince words when calling out ANY president.
Obama gave the impression the voting booth would shield an illegal act; voting and that he was perfectly okay with encouraging bad behavior.

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips

 

[trixare4kids]

That should qualify as one of the dumbest things said on this forum.

Name the other presidents that:

Bragged about walking in on teenage girls in various stages of undress.

Cheated on every wife(admitted by him) including rawdogging pornstars while the wife was home with a 6 month old baby.

Laughed about leaving an old man with a head injury laying on the ground because he didn't want to get bloody.

I know your going to try to spin but those actions are that of a piece of garbage, NO good people voted for or support that kind of garbage.

You really need to remove the blinders... None of our presidents are saints, so when you try to hold Trump up as the poster boy for immoral behavior, I laugh out loud.

 

[Tom Horn]

President Trump is no better or worse than any other president we've had, at least in our lifetime.
With the exception of Jimmy Carter, show me one who is more morally intact than Trump.

All these smoke screens and mirrors, put up by the left and their barking media clowns, is a lame attempt to gain back power.

Calvin Coolidge

 

[Lutherf]

I really respect Neil Cavuto.
He does not mince words when calling out ANY president.
Obama gave the impression the voting booth would shield an illegal act; voting and that was perfectly okay with encouraging bad behavior.

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips

Agreed. I specifically avoided the Cavuto links because anything FOX related just brings more of the insanity. The implication was perfectly clear and Rodriguez clearly laid out her question. The only way one might fail to pick up his meaning is if they didn't want to.

 

[Truckstop]

You really need to remove the blinders... None of our presidents are saints, so when you try to hold Trump up as the poster boy for immoral behavior, I laugh out loud.

Funny how character mattered to conservatives when we were talking about a black man. All of a sudden it's not worth anything.

I wonder why that is.

Can you name some of the things that Obama or Bush did that were similar? The only people being laughed at are Trump supporters, gotta be the dumbest voting demographic ever.

He does love the uneducated, from what he says anyway.

 

[trixare4kids]

Agreed. I specifically avoided the Cavuto links because anything FOX related just brings more of the insanity. The implication was perfectly clear and Rodriguez clearly laid out her question. The only way one might fail to pick up his meaning is if they didn't want to.

I don't really care if they don't like Cavuto.
I chose him specifically because he gives Trump his knocks when needed.

Obama is their anointed one... ::cough::

 

[JasperL]

Yes, it does work when calling out DP posters who won't admit that their TDS for this president is based on their politics.
Like I said, he is no more immoral and dishonest than the rest of our past presidents, at least in my lifetime.
Exception is Jimmy Carter though while honest sucked as a president. M/O.

Yes, again, he did it too! is one helluva defense. My parents always said, "Oh, good point. Never mind..." when I tried it, because what someone else did or might have done is a great defense for what I did. I'm pretty sure all parents adopt this same standard with their kids.

Somewhat more seriously, whether or not Nixon and Obama and Reagan and Bush I and II were overall more, or less, or exactly, precisely (your claim) just as immoral or dishonest as Trump is a ludicrous standard, because it's impossible to demonstrate objectively. Did they all lie - of course, in some way or another. Were they all precisely, exactly, just as immoral or dishonest as the others? Seems unlikely, but how have you determined that they are exactly, precisely, the same level of immoral and dishonest? How do you judge the serial adultery of Trump versus the non-existent adultery (that we know of) for Obama, Bush I and II? As to lies, where is the evaluation of all the public statements of each president and the evaluation of their lies versus those of every other President? Lying about big things is more serious than 'white' lies, so how did you weigh what was serious versus a 'white' lie? Does one big lie count roughly the same as 100 little ones, or do we disregard the little lies entirely? Etc.

More to the point, what you appear to be saying is that because all other Presidents are dishonest and immoral, that we cannot legitimately judge any Presidents truthfulness or dishonesty or morality, or object to their dishonesty and immorality, because "Mom, he did it TOO!"

It's pretty sad that's where some large part of the country has come to - it's unfair to have a standard of behavior for POTUS because every President fails that standard.

 

[JasperL]

That part was posted too. Tres just copied that section of the Snopes page.

Obama is the one who split a hair with what you're talking about. You'll notice that the transcript show Obama saying "...can't legally vote". That "legally" is necessary because he knows damned well that he just implied that they could vote illegally and not get caught.

OK, believe what you want. This thread is about Trump lying about talking to former presidents and what he said. I should never have been sucked into the BUTWHATABOUTOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!@!@! bull**** to begin with

 

[Lursa]

Yet you persist in lying.
And what does that second sentence even mean?

He's emulating his Leader. Lying.

That shouldnt be a surprise, they accept being lied to and contort themselves to justify it.

Trump stated in a Rose Garden news conference Friday: “This should have been done by all of the presidents that preceded me. And they all know it. Some of them have told me that we should have done it.”

Yeah...all the OTHER presidents are lying claiming that they didnt. :roll:

 

[Lursa]

So?

He didn't claim "living" presidents.

You have nothing, but wasted cyberspace.

Heh, prove he ever even had a conversation with GB Sr. Then think about why on earth they'd have discussed the wall. :doh

 

[dcsports]

Wow, you went from making a stupid comment to making an explosively dishonest one.


Botton line: the headline absolutely is backed up by and based on Trump's claim, which was quoted in the text of the OP. I'm in no mood to argue with a Trump supporter who insists the sky is red.

Wow. You missed it again.

Please tell me where in the article it says that the four ex-presidents did not support wanting a border wall.