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A question never answered(correctly) by the left!

BirdinHand said:
If men want children, and they aren't with a woman that wants to carry children, they can hire a surrogate and utilize either embryo adoption or donated eggs. Or they can adopt one of the thousands of children currently waiting to be adopted.

Because she is the one who has to gestate a few cells into an entire human being inside her body. When men grow a uterus, they can determine what happens inside that uterus. Or they can support science that is working towards an artificial womb. Men do not have the right to dictate to women what happens in their uterus.

The power of the uterus. I can appreciate that you might be jealous of it.

Interesting how there are thousands upon thousands of children currently in foster care and awaiting adoption and those people of faith and pro-lifers aren't stepping up to adopt them. Did they get the memo?
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Once pregnant that point is moot, it's his child she is carrying as well as hers, and he should have say if she kills it. If she wants no part of raising it sign off!
I don't care about he rest of your drivel. Biology has determined who carries the child don't want and abortion don't get pregnant. People of faith are the only ones stepping up! Two of our pasators have two, I have one, many in our Church have adopted.
 
Patriotguy said:
Once pregnant that point is moot, it's his child she is carrying as well as hers, and he should have say if she kills it. If she wants no part of raising it sign off!
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I'm not sure you understand biology. There is nothing residing in a woman's uterus UNTIL pregnancy. HE isn't doing or undergoing anything so HE doesn't get or have any choices to make. A woman is making medical decisions for her body.
 
Geoist said:
The fetus inside her relies on her consent to remain inside.
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That is the shame of it, she can do whatever she wants to murder it. Even though the woman can benefit from said pregnancy
 
Fishking said:
The question needs more context. Are you talking about before birth, with things like abortion or after birth, with things like child custody and child support?
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Before birth!
 
Patriotguy said:
Once pregnant that point is moot, it's his child she is carrying as well as hers, and he should have say if she kills it. If she wants no part of raising it sign off!
I don't care about he rest of your drivel. Biology has determined who carries the child don't want and abortion don't get pregnant. People of faith are the only ones stepping up! Two of our pasators have two, I have one, many in our Church have adopted.
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Irrelevant. It is her body. She gets to make decisions regarding her body
 
BirdinHand said:
I'm not sure you understand biology. There is nothing residing in a woman's uterus UNTIL pregnancy. HE isn't doing or undergoing anything so HE doesn't get or have any choices to make. A woman is making medical decisions for her body.
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It's not her body she is killing stop being obtuse, she had the right to choose before she engaged in behavior that causes pregnancy
vegas giants said:
Where are women charged with murder for an abortion?
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vegas giants said:
Or it can kill her
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She still made a choice, and the man still gets no say, she should be responsible, the man is on the hook either way, why isn't sh,e she made the same decision!
 
BirdinHand said:
Well, I do tend to think that people should have the ability to make medical decisions for themselves.
Why do you feel as though women are not allowed to make their own medical decisions?
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She made a decision about her health before she got pregnmant, and decided to risk it, she should not then be given the special right to murder.
 
Patriotguy said:
She could get run over by a truck and it could kill her, difference is she chose to engage in behavior that cause pregnancy
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So what? If I drive without a seat belt I still get care to correct medical problems caused by an accident
 
Patriotguy said:
Before birth!
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OK, then the answer is that the baby is inside the mother, not the father, so it doesn't effect them equally. Also, I'm not on the left and neither am I pro-choice outside of danger to the health of the mother or rape, but that was an easy question.
 
Patriotguy said:
It's not her body she is killing stop being obtuse, she had the right to choose before she engaged in behavior that causes pregnancy


She still made a choice, and the man still gets no say, she should be responsible, the man is on the hook either way, why isn't sh,e she made the same decision!
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The man also has no risk to his life
 
Patriotguy said:
She made a decision about her health before she got pregnmant, and decided to risk it, she should not then be given the special right to murder.
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Oh well. If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

See how easy that is?
 
vegas giants said:
So what? If I drive without a seat belt I still get care to correct medical problems caused by an accident
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Well that isn't being killed! The fact that you equivocate Abortion being a medical problem speaks volumes about you!
 
Patriotguy said:
Well that isn't being killed! The fact that you equivocate Abortion being a medical problem speaks volumes about you!
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It could be. We save the life of a person in a car accident even if he did not wear his seat belt
 
Fishking said:
OK, then the answer is that the baby is inside the mother, not the father, so it doesn't effect them equally. Also, I'm not on the left and neither am I pro-choice outside of danger to the health of the mother or rape, but that was an easy question.
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I do not Care, that is biology. What about the mental health aspect for the father, what if that was his one chance to procreate, what if he has a medical condition that keeps him from being a father in the future? People love to play what if it was rape, or incest, or medical emergency, 3% is the number for all of those combined, meaning for the other 97% it convenience. Admittedly I am on the fence for rape and incest, however medical emergency? what is it about cutting a child out of the womb that isn't medically risky?
 
vegas giants said:
It could be. We save the life of a person in a car accident even if he did not wear his seat belt
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Tell me what it is about cutting a child out of the womb that doesn't sound risky?
 
Patriotguy said:
I do not Care, that is biology. What about the mental health aspect for the father, what if that was his one chance to procreate, what if he has a medical condition that keeps him from being a father in the future?
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Oh well. There are plenty of people that struggle with infertility. There is therapy available to help them cope.

Infertility (or worries about potential infertility) do not give a man the right to dictate a woman's medical decisions.
 
Patriotguy said:
Tell me what it is about cutting a child out of the womb that doesn't sound risky?
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Most abortions can be done less invasively or even pharmaceutically.
 
trouble13 said:
From a financial perspective I support the government coming up with a number that represents the amount it costs to have and raise a child. The parents income should not be a consideration. Whatever that number is the parents should split 50/50. Everything above that amount should be left up to the parent's discretion. IMO That is what fair looks like.
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Please never become a parent if you think splitting the money cost is all that is involved in raising a child fairly.
 
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