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A question never answered(correctly) by the left!

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It is a developmental stage of humans, when anything else but a human is developing we can talk! Maybe we should call them pup[pies y'all would lose your mind if anyone tried harm a puppy!
Actually, people do get abortions for their dogs. I don't see anyone howling about that.
 

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Last I read, the cost of a surrogate is solidly $40K above that. (Likely because of medical costs for all the prenatal appointments, delivery, etc)

A man could easily find a surrogate that wants to be pregnant and compensate her for the matter…instead of trying to force one that doesn’t want to be pregnant to carry one to term for him.

Which brings us back to abortion not being about men WANTING a baby or about the medical science…but about control.
No kidding?

Once the "controllers" have managed to eliminate the option of ENDING an unwanted (and possibly unaffordable) pregnancy, delivery, and child rearing - their next step will be to eliminate the option of PREVENTING pregnancies.
 

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The terms you are using, are simply terms to ease the guilt of killing babies, by scientists and doctors who benefit from said abortion, big business!
She still didn't do it by herself, even a little bit, epic fail!
This is ridiculous. Women have gotten pregnant by using sperm donor sperm. They have gotten pregnant with the defrosted sperm of deceased husbands.
 

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Epic fail, for the Lord knows you even before you were formed in the mothers womb!
If you don't care move along!
That means God knows you before there was a zygote. God's being spiritual, that makes sense.
 

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Not reason enough to enumerate women with a special right while the father get none! No one forced either party to engage in behavior that would cause the pregnancy! They knew the risk!
Please stop misusing the word "enumerate." It means "count," not "endow."
 

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The right to terminate life, so if the mother wants to keep it, and tha father wants no part, can he then kill it, try to be consistent, I mean if no harm comes to the mother during the assassination of the child by the father.
Abortion isn't about "terminating life." It is about the removal of an embryo/fetus from attachment inside of the woman's body. She is not obligated to give it part of her life.
 

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If a man, and a woman agree to consensual sex, and she gets pregnant, why, when the child is equally the mans, does he not get equal protection under the law, lets keep it scientific shall we, leave your emotion next to the tissues. WHY DOES HE NOT RECEIVE EQUAL RIGHTS
If by answer correctly you mean they don't give the answer you want to hear, then you are already committing a bias fallacy.

Beyond that, the biological father and the biological mother have the exact same legal rights. Whichever one the offspring is in gets to decide if that offspring is removed from their own body. If the offspring is not in their body, they cannot choose to have or not have the offspring aborted. So if a surrogate is used (IVF), guess what the biological mother cannot do? Have the offspring aborted! Exactly like the biological father, whose body the offspring is not in. When the offspring is born, both are legally and financially responsible for it. If the biological father makes more money (assuming the biological parents are not together) then he pays the larger share, in proportion to his income over hers. If the biological mother makes more money, then she pays the larger share, in proportion to her income over his. Exact same and equal rights.

The only time that they do not have equal rights is when someone misrepresents those rights. For example, the claim that a biological mother has the right to terminate her offspring before birth. I already proved that wrong by showing that it has nothing to do with the offspring itself, but whether or not it is in her body. Which means in turn that the surrogate can choose to abort the offspring at any time, and she will not receive a legal punishment for it. For a breech of contract, sure, but that is a separate issue from the abortion itself.

Now there can be an issue of whether or not rights are equally enforced. This is a completely separate issue from whether or not the rights are equal, and would require a different thread.
 

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SCIENCE! That child cannot be made without the sperm, from one of the legally consenting adults. But thank you for providing evidence that it is unequal protection!
So just to be clear, when one of the two is not a legally consenting adult, then there is not an issue with the offspring being aborted? I mean if the science includes legally consenting adults, then the science has to take into account where consent is absent. Also since we are talking about legally consenting adults, then when a minor is involved, that too means no issue with offspring being aborted, right?
 

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The overall load is irrelevant, both parties engaged in consensual sex, that child is equally a part of him regardless of who carries it. When you speak of overall burden or load it is an emotional plea to give women a special right to murder! You can dress that crap up all you want with semantics like, healthcare, and burden, fact is he is not equally protected.

It's not murder. That is right-wing religious dogma.

Until the fetus is viable, it is a mass of cells. In New York State, it's not considered a child until it takes its first breath.

Your side seems to have issues with being fair to women and girls who are raped or impregnated through incest. Expecting women and girls who were raped to carry their rapist's child is not acceptable and it's also none of your damn business.

The right has been unwilling to accept that their religious bullshit is not the law. The renders the right incapable of properly discharging the duties required of those who hold public office.

This is what the right wing says about rape:

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Women and children deserve to have rights and the right-wing is not going to take them away from them by right-wing extremists who want women and children to become their property.
 

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The right has been unwilling to accept that their religious bullshit is not the law. The renders the right incapable of properly discharging the duties required of those who hold public office.
Exactly. I would go further and say not only are they unwilling to accept that much of what they claim about abortion is not the law, but it is also not biologically accurate, biblically true, culturally accepted or socially rational. The fact is that they are not running for office in order to discharge duties of the office, they are there to change US law, American culture and the constitutional command of freedom of religion. This is a crowd that is seeking to create a theocracy.
 
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