A question never answered(correctly) by the left!

[Geoist]

That is the shame of it, she can do whatever she wants to murder it. Even though the woman can benefit from said pregnancy

Do you believe abortion should be banned even if it was rape/incest or the woman's life is in danger?

 

[Fishking]

I do not Care, that is biology. What about the mental health aspect for the father, what if that was his one chance to procreate, what if he has a medical condition that keeps him from being a father in the future? People love to play what if it was rape, or incest, or medical emergency, 3% is the number for all of those combined, meaning for the other 97% it convenience. Admittedly I am on the fence for rape and incest, however medical emergency? what is it about cutting a child out of the womb that isn't medically risky?

The mother also has mental health concerns as well, making that a 1 for 1 trade, at best, but I'd favor the mother as she's the one that is carrying the baby. So far as your numbers, I agree with them. Most abortions are what I would consider elective and I'd have them be illegal, but that's not the discussion posed in your OP.

 

[Patriotguy]

Less risky than childbirth

What? the child is still being brought out, well cut out in little pieces, are you morbid, I mean does that excite you?

 

[Gordy327]

What? the child is still being brought out, well cut out in little pieces, are you morbid, I mean does that excite you?

There is no child and that's not how abortions are generally performed. Got anything better than emotionally driven rhetoric?

 

[Patriotguy]

Incorrect. Cite the law which deems abortion is murder!

Biologically, he's not gestating it. That's the proverbial tie breaker.

Wrong that is simply the Biology, at DNA transfer(conception) he is as much part of that child as she is, no matter who carries it! This special right based on her carrying it is simply an argument that you have been conditioned to accept, along with terms like fetus, clump of cells, and zygote, it is how the dehumanize the child in the womb, congratulations hive thinker!

 

[Patriotguy]

There is no child and that's not how abortions are generally performed. Got anything better than emotionally driven rhetoric?

What is it a puppy? Wait, nope because then you would defend it!

 

[Patriotguy]

Do you believe abortion should be banned even if it was rape/incest or the woman's life is in danger?

First good question, and a tough one for me, the child in the womb still did nothing wrong. Medical emergency where the child has no chance of life outside the womb yes. Had that happen to a friend and they already had children the child had anecephaly, no life ouitside the womb and the mother had a heart condition where infection could cause death.

 

[Gordy327]

What is it a puppy? Wait, nope because then you would defend it!

It's an embryo/fetus.

Wrong that is simply the Biology, at DNA transfer(conception) he is as much part of that child as she is, no matter who carries it! This special right based on her carrying it is simply an argument that you have been conditioned to accept, along with terms like fetus, clump of cells, and zygote, it is how the dehumanize the child in the womb, congratulations hive thinker!

Wrong again. DNA is irrelevant except in paternity. Who carries it is paramount. If the man carries it, he has as much right to refuse to continue the pregnancy as a woman does. It seems you do no (or refuse to) understand scientific terms like zygote, embryo, ect., and instead resort to emotional appeals and personal attacks. Your credibility, such as it is, is shot!

 

[Patriotguy]

It's an embryo/fetus.

Wrong again. DNA is irrelevant except in paternity. Who carries it is paramount. If the man carries it, he has as much right to refuse to continue the pregnancy as a woman does. It seems you do no (or refuse to) understand scientific terms like zygote, embryo, ect., and instead resort to emotional appeals and personal attacks. Your credibility, such as it is, is shot!

That is utter B.S and terms like fetus, clump of cells, and zygote, it is how the dehumanize the child in the womb! Even if I accepted those terms, which I do not, does anything but a human ever come out, is it ever a whale or a puppy, if so let me see proof!

 

[Patriotguy]

It's an embryo/fetus.

Wrong again. DNA is irrelevant except in paternity. Who carries it is paramount. If the man carries it, he has as much right to refuse to continue the pregnancy as a woman does. It seems you do no (or refuse to) understand scientific terms like zygote, embryo, ect., and instead resort to emotional appeals and personal attacks. Your credibility, such as it is, is shot!

At DNA transfer that is a human period!

 

[Gordy327]

That is utter B.S and terms like fetus, clump of cells, and zygote, it is how the dehumanize the child in the womb! Even if I accepted those terms, which I do not, does anything but a human ever come out, is it ever a whale or a puppy, if so let me see proof!

Your refusal to accept scientific terms and facts doesn't change them. It just makes you look irrational and ignorant. Your appeals to emotion only reinforces that.

 

[Gordy327]

At DNA transfer that is a human period!

At DNA transfer that is a human period!

No, it's simply a zygote and nothing more. It's no more "human" than any other cell in the body is. Even less so. It's certainly not a legal, human person either.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

Yep but that is science why should she be able to kill his child? Not one answer has been anything but an emotional response!

Because the ‘child’ is **inside her body.
You get pregnancy is a biological process that *results* in a child, I hope?
The woman has to ‘bake the so called buns’ before they’re set on the table?
The cart doesn’t go before the horse?

There is nothing in the argument that is *not* based in biology. If you feel that strongly, get a ****ing vasectomy! Problem solved, right?

 

[Doppelgangirl]

Wrong that is just biology, that is an emotional response!

You totally contradict yourself. Freudian slip, perhaps?

 

[BirdinHand]

Wrong that is simply the Biology, at DNA transfer(conception) he is as much part of that child as she is, no matter who carries it! This special right based on her carrying it is simply an argument that you have been conditioned to accept, along with terms like fetus, clump of cells, and zygote, it is how the dehumanize the child in the womb, congratulations hive thinker!

You realize you shared your DNA with your toothbrush also. Does that make you a part of the toothbrush?

At DNA transfer that is a human period!

So is a toothbrush a human? They have human DNA all over them.

 

[BirdinHand]

At DNA transfer that is a human period!

There are lots of dirty underwear, sheets and towels in the world that should be granted rights then.

If "DNA transfer" is all that makes a human.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

The overall load is irrelevant, both parties engaged in consensual sex, that child is equally a part of him regardless of who carries it. When you speak of overall burden or load it is an emotional plea to give women a special right to murder! You can dress that crap up all you want with semantics like, healthcare, and burden, fact is he is not equally protected.

Nor should he be. Pregnancy/Childbirth and Parenting are not the same thing.

Walk me down this road.
How do you suggest men share in the Pregnancy/Childbirth process biologically with the woman?
@BirdinHand is right- invest in biotech studying artificial wombs.
That would be the best way for you to - do you?
At least you’d have some kind of basis for an argument as bass-ackward as the one you’re making.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

She made a decision about her health before she got pregnmant, and decided to risk it, she should not then be given the special right to murder.

So did the man involved. Get a vasectomy before you “risk it” with sex… That sounds like a shining example of a true “personal responsibility” fan. You have control over your own reproductive health…
Man up

 

[Bodi]

Wrong, that child is equally his,

Equally his. Pffft... The kid is not property.

as both parents are represented in the DNA scientifically you are the caveman

There is DNA from the Grandparents as well... I guess the kid is part theirs as well.

and giving special rights to a woman tyo kill her child . This is the answer I expected though!

It is not special rights... but I fear that Enumerated vs Unenumerated Rights is beyond where we will get in this discussion.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

That is utter B.S and terms like fetus, clump of cells, and zygote, it is how the dehumanize the child in the womb! Even if I accepted those terms, which I do not, does anything but a human ever come out, is it ever a whale or a puppy, if so let me see proof!

Have you ever taken a science class past middle school? I mean you keep bringing up science and then demonstrate through your posts you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Which is exactly why DOCTORS should not be dictated to by POLITICIANS in the first place.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

No, it's simply a zygote and nothing more. It's no more "human" than any other cell in the body is. Even less so. It's certainly not a legal, human person either.

If memory serves, I think it’s a blastocyst before a zygote

 

[vegas giants]

What? the child is still being brought out, well cut out in little pieces, are you morbid, I mean does that excite you?

You seem quite emotional over this

 

[Geoist]

First good question, and a tough one for me, the child in the womb still did nothing wrong.

Don't think anyone argued the fetus did anything wrong.

Medical emergency where the child has no chance of life outside the womb yes.

Unfortunately the circumstances aren't always so black and white. What if it had a chance of life outside the womb but it would be an excruciatingly painful one? What if the doctors estimate the fetus has a 5% chance for survival? 10%? 15...? We are now seeing the consequences of short-sighted right-wing anti-abortion legislation as women are forced to carry skull-less and decaying dead fetuses in their wombs because doctors/hospitals fear prosecution.

Beauty YouTuber Forced to Carry Dead Fetus for 2 Weeks After Miscarriage Due to Abortion Ban

Marlena Stell, creator of Makeup Geek cosmetics, opened up about her miscarriage and upsetting experience due to anti-abortion laws in Texas

people.com

Louisiana woman carrying unviable fetus forced to travel to New York for abortion

Nancy Davis suffered ‘unspeakable pain’ due to poorly worded law that meant hospital in home state refused to terminate pregnancy

www.theguardian.com

What about rape? Do you think the 10 year old girl should've been forced by the government to carry to term?

 

[Gordy327]

If memory serves, I think it’s a blastocyst before a zygote

No, it's a zygote first, then becomes a blastocyst for about 2 weeks before it becomes an embryo.

 

[Gordy327]

Have you ever taken a science class past middle school? I mean you keep bringing up science and then demonstrate through your posts you have no clue what you’re talking about.

You noticed that too, eh?