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A GOP lawmaker says the ‘quality’ of a vote matters. Critics say that’s ‘straight out of Jim Crow.’

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The Washington Post reported:

Amid a contentious hearing over proposed restrictions on Arizona’s vote-by-mail system, a Republican state lawmaker argued that voters who hadn’t participated in recent elections should no longer automatically have absentee ballots mailed to them. The reasoning, said state Rep. John Kavanagh (R), is that Republicans care more about alleged voter fraud than Democrats — and that “everybody shouldn’t be voting.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/13/arizona-quality-votes-kavanagh/

Rep. Kavanagh is unfamiliar with the 14th Amendment, which states, in part, “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...” One such “privilege or immunity” is the ability to vote. Kavanagh would do well to take some elementary civics lessons before deciding on legislation that he does not understand within the context of the U.S. Constitutional framework.
 
The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.
 
jamesrage said:
The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.
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Don referenced the 14th amendment. The rest of your diatribe doesn't warrant further response.
 
jamesrage said:
The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.
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Should someone who is paying close attention to politics by watching Qanon videos qualify?

What if someone becomes bed ridden after the time has passed to qualify?

Your suggested restrictions are capricious, as they are based on nothing, and arbitrary, based on the examples above.
 
It is crazy, but not surprising, that these voting regulations have passed without any evidence that there is fraud or if there is, that these regulations address it.
 
jamesrage said:
RIding or walking to a polling place and showing and ID to vote does not deny someone their right to vote. So your claim is horse shit.
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Are you always this needlessly vulgar and insulting?

You aren’t making an argument at all. You’re just yelling that your ultra right wing view is the right one, dispite it being unconstitutional.

You don’t have a fact based argument.

And, since you don’t, you’ll just have to wallow in your anger, because no one else cares.
 
donsutherland1 said:
The Washington Post reported:

Amid a contentious hearing over proposed restrictions on Arizona’s vote-by-mail system, a Republican state lawmaker argued that voters who hadn’t participated in recent elections should no longer automatically have absentee ballots mailed to them. The reasoning, said state Rep. John Kavanagh (R), is that Republicans care more about alleged voter fraud than Democrats — and that “everybody shouldn’t be voting.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/13/arizona-quality-votes-kavanagh/

Rep. Kavanagh is unfamiliar with the 14th Amendment, which states, in part, “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...” One such “privilege or immunity” is the ability to vote. Kavanagh would do well to take some elementary civics lessons before deciding on legislation that he does not understand within the context of the U.S. Constitutional framework.
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Unfortunately "the right to vote" is NOT a "privilege or immunity of citizens of the United States", it is a "privilege or immunity of SOME citizens of the United States and one that can be revoked if the status of one of those citizens changes so that they no longer belong to the class which enjoys that privilege or immunity".

Of course it would really simplify the situation if the state just went ahead and made "failing to vote in _[fill in the blank]_ elections in a row" a "Class 1 Felony" (but with the maximum penalty being a $0.05 fine [and where a conviction could be entered in default of appearance {after proper proof of notification, or course}]).

But the thought is good.
 
I would suggest Rep. Kavanagh and some of his fellow members should take a Constitution test along with a test on how governments work.

It is interesting that the GOP in Arizona does not want to challenge any election in which the Republican candidate won. If the election system in Arizona is so broken and needs more oversight where was the GOP the last 30 years in Arizona? They never really complained till Trump lost.

I have voted by mail for years. If we are to go back to voting at polling places then we need to have multiple days to vote in.

I have no issue with requiring an ID to vote. Pretty much have to produce an ID to get a loan.
 
donsutherland1 said:
The Washington Post reported:

Amid a contentious hearing over proposed restrictions on Arizona’s vote-by-mail system, a Republican state lawmaker argued that voters who hadn’t participated in recent elections should no longer automatically have absentee ballots mailed to them. The reasoning, said state Rep. John Kavanagh (R), is that Republicans care more about alleged voter fraud than Democrats — and that “everybody shouldn’t be voting.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/13/arizona-quality-votes-kavanagh/

Rep. Kavanagh is unfamiliar with the 14th Amendment, which states, in part, “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...” One such “privilege or immunity” is the ability to vote. Kavanagh would do well to take some elementary civics lessons before deciding on legislation that he does not understand within the context of the U.S. Constitutional framework.
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They've reached the point of hubris so strong that they now say "the quiet part" out loud with impunity.
A democracy is doomed if this is tolerated in any way, shape or form.
In fact, even the idea of a republic and a constitution of any kind is threatened.

The endgame of such a mindset is quite simply totalitarian fascist dictatorship, and they've already enlisted church help on top of that, so it's also a theocracy as well.
 
This thread raises an interesting question:

"If some Americans are deemed to be LESS worthy of having a single vote because of their actions, wouldn't that imply that some Americans should also be deemed worthy of having MORE than a single vote because of their actions, and, if not, why not?"​
 
jamesrage said:
The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.
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So long as I get to decide who can't vote, I am in favor of your notion.
 
jamesrage said:
The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.
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Well then surely people who are stupid enough to fall for the birther scam, or who believe in Jewish space lasers, or think some real estate huckster telling them the election was stolen, or think all the doctors on the planet are wrong on pandemic control measures and all the scientists for over a 100 years all over the world are wrong on climate change, should systematically be kept from voting.
 
Kushinator said:
Either you're too ignorant to accept non-Fox/newsmax sources of too lazy to inform yourself.

Either way........
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Ahhh, so it's the quality of the information you're carping about. I wonder if there's institutional racism at the WaPo. There must be, according to what I've read recently on the subject. It's systemic. So, should the opinions of admitted racists be given any weight? Should racists be allowed to vote?
 
humbolt said:
Ahhh, so it's the quality of the information you're carping about. I wonder if there's institutional racism at the WaPo. There must be, according to what I've read recently on the subject. It's systemic. So, should the opinions of admitted racists be given any weight? Should racists be allowed to vote?
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Should you address the post you've chosen to quote?
 
humbolt said:
Should you answer the question you inherently posed?
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The point is that any group of people can be cast as low quality depending on one's criteria since any groups has people in it that are stupid at at least one topic involved in running a modern society. Because of that, any distinction is arbitrary and is nothing but a blunt instrument to disenfranchise those in power deem as undesirables.
 
tacomancer said:
The point is that any group of people can be cast as low quality depending on one's criteria since any groups has people in it that are stupid at at least one topic involved in running a modern society. Because of that, any distinction is arbitrary and is nothing but a blunt instrument to disenfranchise those in power deem as undesirables.
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I get the point, but it's apparently not a "one size fits all" point. There are, after all, qualifiers.
 
humbolt said:
Triggered? I'm barely awake.

So, should racists be allowed to vote, or not?
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You should make a thread about it instead of trying to hijack this one because you're incapable of discussing the topic.
 
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