A GOP lawmaker says the ‘quality’ of a vote matters. Critics say that’s ‘straight out of Jim Crow.’

[jamesrage]

Your bad position aside, it collapses under its own un-logic. If you vote, you automatically pay attention to politics.

No you don't.A vote just means you voted. It doesn't mean you paid attention to what the candidates campaigned on did or said in the past.

 

[jamesrage]

Either you're too ignorant to accept non-Fox/newsmax sources of too lazy to inform yourself.

Either way........

It sounds like more polling places should be opened up.

 

[Cardinal]

No you don't.A vote just means you voted. It doesn't mean you paid attention to what the candidates campaigned on did or said in the past.

Well since you've set yourself up to be God, please inform us savage peons as to what qualifies as a satisfactory level of political participation that we may know if we can vote. Since I assume you've decided that you are a superior model for political involvement (people who decide who can and can't vote always make themselves the benchmark), just tell us how many hours you participate on this forum, which news sources you use, etc.

 

[jamesrage]

So long as I get to decide who can't vote, I am in favor of your notion.

I never said they should be stopped. I am just stating it isn't a hardship to go walk or drive to the polls to vote and if you can't do that then you shouldn't vote.

 

[jamesrage]

Are you always this needlessly vulgar and insulting?

You aren’t making an argument at all. You’re just yelling that your ultra right wing view is the right one, dispite it being unconstitutional.

You don’t have a fact based argument.

And, since you don’t, you’ll just have to wallow in your anger, because no one else cares.

again your claim is horseshit.

 

[MSgt]

The reasoning, said state Rep. John Kavanagh (R), is that Republicans care more about alleged voter fraud than Democrats — and that “everybody shouldn’t be voting.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/13/arizona-quality-votes-kavanagh/

Um...Republicans just tried to commit actual fraud by pretending that they were cheated. They also supported a President who tried to enlist Ukraine to help him win, asked state governors to "find votes," and asked his VP to throw out the Electoral College. Republicans also denied Democrats, who twice, in 2019 and again in 2020, tried to pass legislation that would increase security for voting machines from outside interference. Republicans shot concern for voter fraud down. In fact, there were 10 election security-related bills that stalled in the GOP-led Senate because of Republicans.

Kavanaugh is yet another traitorous piece of shit who deserves a one way ticket out of my country. The history:

- NC: 2013: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Republican law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people and targeting African-Americans with almost surgical precision.

- 2016: Republicans passed to shrink the NC state court of appeals by three seats, thereby stealing three judicial appointments from the new governor.

- IA: 2016: Woman charged with voting twice for Donald Trump.

- IN: 2017: The purge was part of a massive effort to see 481,235 registered voters taken off the list.

- WI: 2018: Republicans dropped a sweeping set of proposed legislative changes that would severely undermine the power of incoming Governor Tony Evers and incoming Attorney General Josh Kaul.

- GA: 2018: Republican Brian Kemp sued after the Associated Press reported that over 53,000 voter applications have been put on hold under the controversial “exact match” verification policy. Over two-thirds of those affected are African American.

- ND: 2018: The Supreme Court declined to overturn the Republicans controversial voter ID law. Native American groups are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day.

- 2019: Republican operative charged in election fraud scheme.

- TX: 2019: A federal judge has blocked a massive voter purge in Texas, and accused GOP election officials of intimidating vulnerable voters.

- OH: 2019: Two Republicans charged in election fraud.

- PA: 2020: A Republican tried to apply for a mail-in ballot in his dead mother’s name.

- 2020: Republican officials told voters that they can turn their ballots in three days after the deadline.

 

[uptower]

Sadly many people here agree not everyone should vote, and they keep trucking out the excuses.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It would be better if it is coupled with something like automatic registration when someone renews their license, pays their state taxes, or other things that require an address update. That way records are kept current, which should help alleviate the phantom fears of voter fraud (which is insignificant, 23 cases in AZ since the early 80s).

The Canadian income tax form has a check box that tells CRA (the equivalent of the IRS) to inform Elections Canada of your name, address, and occupation for the purpose of voter registration. If you have moved, then your voter registration will be changed to your new place of residence should you check that box.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don't agree. I believe proof of citizenship should be required. I don't think a citizen from another country should have a voice in how we choose to govern ourselves here.

Wouldn't that mean that everyone would have to present a notarized copy of their long form birth certificate PLUS affidavits from persons who have known them all of their lives certifying that they are, indeed, the person named on the birth certificate, in order to register to vote?

PS - Did you know that, for less than US$50 I can obtain an actual, official, government issued, birth certificate showing that I was born on whatever day I feel like having it shown - even if I have never been within 100 miles of the place of birth that is shown on that birth certificate?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It should come as no surprise that someone who passes himself off as a “Canadian” here would try and advance an arguments against the right to vote that is totally at odd with the US Constitution and all of the standing case law on the subject.

I see, so if you belong to the class "convicted felon" then you still have the "constitutional right to vote" and any laws purporting to say otherwise are "unconstitutional". Sure, pull the other one.

Not to mention an apparant obsession with the internal politics of another country.

When a mouse sleeps next to an elephant, the mouse is concerned about whether or not the elephant sleeps quietly or restlessly.

Nor is it surprising that someone who misrepresents himself as a “centerist” supports the most extreme right wing positions.

When I was going to University the "wacko left" held me out as an example of "the far right" and the "wacko right" held me out as an example of "the far left".

Not much has changed since those days.

The law in this country does not support your position. Once upon a time, there were laws that precluded the status of citizen’s right to vote.

I see, so anyone who is in the class "convicted felon" and is also in the class "American citizen" has the "constitutional right to vote" do they? Sure, pull the other one.

But then, those people rode in the colored car and used the colored water fountain.

Yep, and that was the way that the Founding Fathers set things up.

So, your message is not lost on any of us.

Thank you for letting me know that you equate "anyone who doesn't agree with me" and "racist pig".

 

[Variant]

The point is that any group of people can be cast as low quality depending on one's criteria since any groups has people in it that are stupid at at least one topic involved in running a modern society. Because of that, any distinction is arbitrary and is nothing but a blunt instrument to disenfranchise those in power deem as undesirables.

They don't get to talk about "low quality" voters. Their last successful election was to install a blathering demagogue who put the republic itself at risk.

 

[Plasmaball]

The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.

No....

 

[Plasmaball]

RIding or walking to a polling place and showing and ID to vote does not deny someone their right to vote. So your claim is horse shit.

Neither does registering a firearm or waiting periods..yet

 

[MSgt]

The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.

Yeah, **** the Active Duty military throughout the country and the world!
And **** those citizens who dare move out of their states and head off to not lead the country in D.C.!
And **** the average citizen who dares be absent from his home state!
And **** modern day technology like the telegram!

"Stop the count" before those who refuse to walk their happy asses to voting centers get to exercise their rights!!

Your eagerness to pleasure your partisan foolishness will walk you directly into a wall every ****ing time. The record shows that Republican voters are the problem. They are either cheating or they are whining that all citizens of legal age have the Right to vote. Want some proof? Boom.


** Snyder Cut: 3 Days, 13 Hours, 50 Minutes.

 

[Slartibartfast]

As I said, the states are responsible for enforcing existing voting laws, and I've already mentioned how various states shirk that responsibility. It's not a matter of creating new law.

And unless there is proof that this is swaying elections, then current enforcement mechanisms (even if you label them unenforced) are sufficient.

 

[dcsports]

Don referenced the 14th amendment. The rest of your diatribe doesn't warrant further response.

Of course the 14th amendment doesn't apply here. Just because he made a silly reference doesn't mean that the rest of the post isn't worth a response.

 

[MSgt]

Of course the 14th amendment doesn't apply here. Just because he made a silly reference doesn't mean that the rest of the post isn't worth a response.

Is that the one that declares that the Snyder Cut is upon us in 3 Days, 13 Hours, 35 Minutes?

It's reconstructing the Whedon crap.

 

[Nickyjo]

I never said they should be stopped. I am just stating it isn't a hardship to go walk or drive to the polls to vote and if you can't do that then you shouldn't vote.

If you can walk and have a car, ok. I know people who can't and don't.

 

[Aristaeus]

RIding or walking to a polling place and showing and ID to vote does not deny someone their right to vote. So your claim is horse shit.

It does if you don't have ID. photo ID to vote is only remotely justifiable if the state proactively gives everyone entitled a free photo ID card when they reach voting age. You also need enough polling places so that people don't have to travel 20 miles to vote - this is something that is particularly bad in America.

 

[Aristaeus]

I have no burden of proof here. If a prospective voter cannot affirmatively prove citizenship, then that person should not vote. A mailing or billing address does not prove citizenship. A driver's license does not prove citizenship. A State issued ID or college ID does not prove citizenship. The burden of proof resides with the various states to assert they are following the law, and clearly some aren't.

Why should someone who has legally lived in America for years, works and pay taxes, but is not a citizen be denied a vote?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Don referenced the 14th amendment. The rest of your diatribe doesn't warrant further response.

The 14th amendment was not written to guarantee a specific right to suffrage on ones own terms.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It does if you don't have ID. photo ID to vote is only remotely justifiable if the state proactively gives everyone entitled a free photo ID card when they reach voting age. You also need enough polling places so that people don't have to travel 20 miles to vote - this is something that is particularly bad in America.

No, photo ID to vote is justifiable for the purpose of restricting the franchise only to eligible voters and if you do not possess an ID then you do not need to cast a ballot.

in actuality democracy is simply a ploy to legitimize the ruling regime, voting contrary to the regime has no effect, as the voters of California discovered when they rejected tax breaks for sodomites.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It would be better if it is coupled with something like automatic registration when someone renews their license, pays their state taxes, or other things that require an address update. That way records are kept current, which should help alleviate the phantom fears of voter fraud (which is insignificant, 23 cases in AZ since the early 80s).

23 cases actually prosecuted. There’s likely been millions in AZ since the 80s. The purpose of “democracy” is solely to legitimize a ruling regime, tackling massive fraud delegitimizes a regime and therefore the regime has no interest in being honest about voting fraud.

 

[notquiteright]

The idea that we should have everybody voting is idiotic. People who have pay little to no attention to politics should not be voting. If you can't take the bare minimum effort of riding or walking your happy ass to a designate polling place and showing a state issued ID then you shouldn't be voting unless you are bed bound or in a hospitalized.

The idea that we should have an attendance record to keep a Supreme Court decision we ALL have a right to vote, and once a felon pays his debt to society they should as well, is idiotic. Most Americans don't pay much attention to the carny hype political ads use these days. Those in BOTH parties don't pay much attention and tune out attack ads they don't like and embrace those they do. Not really informed as having their bias confirmed.

Republicants are reducing polling places, and want to decrease poll hours, limit absentee voting (tRump used it). Millions of entry level workers won't be able to travel the distance from work to polling site inside the reduced hours and that's what the Party of tRump wants.

I have always early voted- during the pandemic VERY happy I could. My wife who works out of our county uses mail-in and that is very good. Millions who don't own a car but have had their polling places reduced, drop boxes limited to one per county are in danger of being disenfranchised.

It isn't 'quality' of the vote but rather limiting the voting of poorer, urban, entry level workers- those the Republicants fear... ✌

 

[notquiteright]

23 cases actually prosecuted. There’s likely been millions in AZ since the 80s. The purpose of “democracy” is solely to legitimize a ruling regime, tackling massive fraud delegitimizes a regime and therefore the regime has no interest in being honest about voting fraud.

Odd, it seemed the tRumpers were VERY interested in 'uncovering' millions of illegal votes- and couldn't come up with even a handful across the nation and at least one was a Republicant using his mother's name to cast two votes...

tRumpers WANTED to delegitimize the Democratic 'regime' and went to absurd extremes in the failed attempt... ✌