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51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding

Is that the democrats getting rid of the goals...nobody is allowed to win anymore, everybody is "equal" so nobody should win and nobody should lose...???

:yawn:

Man, you folks just want to create the most boring world ever conceived... where everybody goes back to being equal, dirt eating poor equal...who even needs a goal post then? Who could even afford them...
 
Already setting up excuses huh? :roll:

Greetings, Kal'Stang. :2wave:

Belated congrats on becoming a Global Moderator! :thumbs:

Ready to resign yet? :lamo: Just kidding!
 
Is that the democrats getting rid of the goals...nobody is allowed to win anymore, everybody is "equal" so nobody should win and nobody should lose...???

:yawn:

Man, you folks just want to create the most boring world ever conceived... where everybody goes back to being equal, dirt eating poor equal...who even needs a goal post then? Who could even afford them...

dude went off topic, I implied he's moving the goal post. Then you weigh in and do an even further off topic rant...

Dunno what to say.
 
The Free Market: The Sad Legacy of Ronald Reagan

Here you go basic history. to bad you choose to ignore it.

Reagan grew government, raised taxes and the deficit increased incrementally...pretty standard for presidents. They all say anything to get elected and then reality sets in and the system takes over...

Someone else posted this link..check it out..compare the deficit in the reagan years with..oh...say 2009 and 2010...isn't THAT interesting? Pretty shocking...speaking of "sad legacies".

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local Data
 
I always wonder what's going through the mind of someone - like OP - who would support such an absolutely insane position. I just don't get it.
With age and experience it will start to dawn on you...that sunrise comes slower to some than to others...apparently.
 
Reagan grew government, raised taxes and the deficit increased incrementally...pretty standard for presidents. They all say anything to get elected and then reality sets in and the system takes over...

Someone else posted this link..check it out..compare the deficit in the reagan years with..oh...say 2009 and 2010...isn't THAT interesting? Pretty shocking...speaking of "sad legacies".


US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local Data

At the time it was un thinkable about what he did. Tripled the amount of debt, grew the government bigger than any president before him and this was without a war. Please stop trying to defend it. Are you still blind to the fact that Republican Presidents and their conservative ideas have caused most of the problems we are trying to dealing with. Did you not read the article or did you look at the numbers and just pass it off.
 
dude went off topic, I implied he's moving the goal post. Then you weigh in and do an even further off topic rant...

Dunno what to say.
If you leave it open to interpretation, blame only yourself. I took the ball you fumbled and ran with it.

The fact of the matter is, even though you folks do truly want to remove all the goals...we know what the game really is...but if the outcomes are all equal, why even play? I mean, you do have to ask yourself, and probably should try to come up with an answer to that question, no matter what YOU were trying to do with the silly picture.
 
At the time it was un thinkable about what he did. Tripled the amount of debt, grew the government bigger than any president before him and this was without a war. Please stop trying to defend it. Are you still blind to the fact that Republican Presidents and their conservative ideas have caused most of the problems we are trying to dealing with. Did you not read the article or did you look at the numbers and just pass it off.
Wow, a liberal complaining when a GOPer can avoid a war, end the Cold War, and all the priceless lives saved on both sides and yet we WIN...that is what is known as very cost effective, darlin...besides which the economy grew, we were put on a path first of recovery and then of long term continuing growth of the economy, the rising tide lifting most all boats, large and tiny, and we regained pride in our great country, a pride that had been stomped on by Carter, who had not the first clue as to how to restart an economy...and I would include Nixon as well, who by his misguided efforts embarrassed us all...

Reagan took on the aftermath of all that turmoil with a big comforting smile...and with a comparatively minimal increase in the debt he made us economically, militarily, and politically strong as well as respected again. With all the $$$Trillions$$$ the boob has overspent, what has all that gotten us again?

:waiting:
 
At the time it was un thinkable about what he did. Tripled the amount of debt, grew the government bigger than any president before him and this was without a war. Please stop trying to defend it. Are you still blind to the fact that Republican Presidents and their conservative ideas have caused most of the problems we are trying to dealing with. Did you not read the article or did you look at the numbers and just pass it off.


US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local Data


Yes I read your article from 1988...At the time it was "unthinkable" you say..ok..the numbers in the link above show the fed deficit as percent of GDP grew around 3 or 4 percent per year in the reagan years...and that isn't "bigger than any president before him" again...look at the numbers..the democrats haven't done any better...and look at 2009 and 2010...over 10% each year...so in just 1 year obama administration overtook and surpassed the reagan admin numbers...IN ONE YEAR...now look at 2010...in 2 years the obama admin is averaging more than 10% per year. Talk about growing government...

Ok..you hate republicans..we get that..but ignoring everything "your" guys do while you point to the past isn't fooling anyone.
We've had this conversation before..
Using past misdeeds as an excuse to justify present misdeeds is a weak argument.
 
So the OP poll says that 51% of Americans favor some level of government shutdown in order to deal with Obamacare and the CNN poll says that 51% of Americans would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. Maybe I've got it wrong, but those two together tell me that Americans want a government shutdown to deal with Obamacare and they'd thank Republicans for giving them what they want.

Considering that all Americans have to deal with getting healthcare coverage in one way or another and only a relatively small portion of Americans have to deal with the federal government on a regular basis, and they mostly vote Democrat, seems like a bit of a win for the Republicans if they've got the guts to stick it out and not give in.
 
So the OP poll says that 51% of Americans favor some level of government shutdown in order to deal with Obamacare and the CNN poll says that 51% of Americans would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. Maybe I've got it wrong, but those two together tell me that Americans want a government shutdown to deal with Obamacare and they'd thank Republicans for giving them what they want.

Considering that all Americans have to deal with getting healthcare coverage in one way or another and only a relatively small portion of Americans have to deal with the federal government on a regular basis, and they mostly vote Democrat, seems like a bit of a win for the Republicans if they've got the guts to stick it out and not give in.

Well, it looks like the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times" has arrived in America! Where do I go to receive an opt-out? :mrgreen:
 
So the OP poll says that 51% of Americans favor some level of government shutdown in order to deal with Obamacare and the CNN poll says that 51% of Americans would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. Maybe I've got it wrong, but those two together tell me that Americans want a government shutdown to deal with Obamacare and they'd thank Republicans for giving them what they want. Considering that all Americans have to deal with getting healthcare coverage in one way or another and only a relatively small portion of Americans have to deal with the federal government on a regular basis, and they mostly vote Democrat, seems like a bit of a win for the Republicans if they've got the guts to stick it out and not give in.

Well to be fair the OP poll is a CON game designed to have so vague a question it could mean anything from continuing the sequestration to heavy cuts in the military in order to hit over 50%.

When Pew does a poll it is a series of SEPARATE questions rather than a long run-on one, the picture is vastly different. roughly 1 in 4 Americans want ACA repealed, as many want ACA made better- those two polar opposites are combined to make the 51% disapprove of ACA. :doh

That means twice as many citizens have a wait and see or approve of ACA than want it repealed.

Odd that now suddenly CONs claim most Americans don't deal with the Federal Government when they claim the reason they lost the last election is sooooo many citizens are dependent on the Feds... :confused:

Just more CON games....
 
Well, it looks like the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times" has arrived in America! Where do I go to receive an opt-out? :mrgreen:

get Tigger's travel brochures and mind the door as you leave... :2wave:
 
get Tigger's travel brochures and mind the door as you leave... :2wave:

Thanks a lot! :lamo That's not exactly what I had in mind! I was thinking more along the lines of hiding here somewhere! No good huh? :(

Greetings, notquiteright. :2wave:
 
That's speculation and hasn't been proven.
I doubt anyone really understands a bill that is 3 times longer than the bible and has over 2 million words to enact and regulate it.
:lol: :lol:

According to CMS (Medicare) health care rose a 3.9 percent in 2011 and consumed about 17.9 percent of GDP in 2011.When you say “That's speculation and hasn't been proven “do you, perhaps have something besides your opinion that you can cite for me?:2wave:
 
I always amuses me how often Americans express how much they dislike Obamacare, but then show support for almost every actual provision in it. Except for the individual mandate, because that's how you pay for all the other benefits.
Almost anybody will take something that is offered... it is what myriad of those who had thought about it and many that we respect from our heritage sagely foretold....to what they premised the fall of the republic...

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

Now a former congressmember, for 2 years anyhow...and his trusty sidekicks Pelosi-palooza and Harry the high voiced Reid tear off their ordinary community organizer or backroom card dealer uniforms to reveal the tights [ at least they are tight with some things,eh? Oh and stretch-Pelosi in two ways I guess...] with the big S, S for Socialism and the European way...the, ummm, hadn't anybody noticed, the failing European way. And that's even after we spent so much money helping put them back together and footing their defense bill for 60 years.
 
If you leave it open to interpretation, blame only yourself. I took the ball you fumbled and ran with it.

The fact of the matter is, even though you folks do truly want to remove all the goals...we know what the game really is...but if the outcomes are all equal, why even play? I mean, you do have to ask yourself, and probably should try to come up with an answer to that question, no matter what YOU were trying to do with the silly picture.

You picked up the ball and ran to the wrong end zone. You are having a debate with yourself about a topic that has nothing to do with "51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding". You know... the topic of the thread? Until you try to make an effort to stay coherent... have fun with your over-generalized rants with yourself.
 
According to CMS (Medicare) health care rose a 3.9 percent in 2011 and consumed about 17.9 percent of GDP in 2011.When you say “That's speculation and hasn't been proven “do you, perhaps have something besides your opinion that you can cite for me?:2wave:

You can't prove that this health care scam the govt is trying to run will save anything. No one can. I notice you have no comment on the sheer length of the statute and all the "regulations" it will take to enact...over 2 MILLION words...3 times longer than the bible...but like the bible..you have "faith" that everything the govt tells you is true...

I want somebody to suggest to me a single, government run program that isn't a bloated, mismanaged, intransient, rapacious abuser of tax dollars...but you want the govt to run "healthcare"..LMAO...seriously?

These are some points about the health care scam the govt is pushing...

With unemployment rising continuously (along with energy and food costs) and salaries remaining stagnant, the government wants to raise the cost of hiring workers by requiring employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fee (tax) to subsidize government coverage. That's not good or smart....unless you work for the govt.

Every American would be required to buy an insurance policy that meets "certain government requirements". Even individuals who are currently insured — and happy with their insurance — will have to switch to insurance that meets the government’s definition of “acceptable insurance.” More govt control over people. Not good.

A government-run plan similar to Medicare would supposedly be set up to compete with private insurance and people will allegedly be able to choose either private insurance or the taxpayer-subsidized public plan. Yeah..sure..believe that...
Subsidies and cost-shifting would encourage Americans to shift to the government plan. The govt will make sure and "regulate" things so that people have no choice. It's a scam.

The government would undertake comparative-effectiveness research and cost-effectiveness research, and use the results of that research to impose practice guidelines on providers — Right..and those "results" will predictably support everything the govt says...they'll make SURE the results support their theories...believe that. More "regulating" and manipulating in order to grow govt.

Private insurance would face rafts of new regulations, including requirements to insure all applicants and a prohibition on pricing
premiums on the basis of risk. If you can't get your way honestly, "regulate" things so there is no choice.



“Political right, political left, you can keep your politics. Government is government and all government is force.
Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course. Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law…
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game.” - Crass
 
You can't prove that this health care scam the govt is trying to run will save anything. No one can. I notice you have no comment on the sheer length of the statute and all the "regulations" it will take to enact...over 2 MILLION words...3 times longer than the bible...but like the bible..you have "faith" that everything the govt tells you is true...

I want somebody to suggest to me a single, government run program that isn't a bloated, mismanaged, intransient, rapacious abuser of tax dollars...but you want the govt to run "healthcare"..LMAO...seriously?

These are some points about the health care scam the govt is pushing...

With unemployment rising continuously (along with energy and food costs) and salaries remaining stagnant, the government wants to raise the cost of hiring workers by requiring employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fee (tax) to subsidize government coverage. That's not good or smart....unless you work for the govt.

Every American would be required to buy an insurance policy that meets "certain government requirements". Even individuals who are currently insured — and happy with their insurance — will have to switch to insurance that meets the government’s definition of “acceptable insurance.” More govt control over people. Not good.

A government-run plan similar to Medicare would supposedly be set up to compete with private insurance and people will allegedly be able to choose either private insurance or the taxpayer-subsidized public plan. Yeah..sure..believe that...
Subsidies and cost-shifting would encourage Americans to shift to the government plan. The govt will make sure and "regulate" things so that people have no choice. It's a scam.

The government would undertake comparative-effectiveness research and cost-effectiveness research, and use the results of that research to impose practice guidelines on providers — Right..and those "results" will predictably support everything the govt says...they'll make SURE the results support their theories...believe that. More "regulating" and manipulating in order to grow govt.

Private insurance would face rafts of new regulations, including requirements to insure all applicants and a prohibition on pricing
premiums on the basis of risk. If you can't get your way honestly, "regulate" things so there is no choice.



“Political right, political left, you can keep your politics. Government is government and all government is force.
Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course. Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law…
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game.” - Crass

Excellent post! You get a bunch of likes for this one! :thumbs:
 
Excellent post! You get a bunch of likes for this one! :thumbs:

Thanks..you're very kind.
I've been reading and trying to sort and assimilate some of it...it's a boondoggle and it gives me a headache...and that's exactly what the powers that be want.
These people who pretend to understand a bill that is 3 times bigger than the bible and written entirely in "legalese"..LMAO..
Partisan hacks.
 
So the OP poll says that 51% of Americans favor some level of government shutdown in order to deal with Obamacare and the CNN poll says that 51% of Americans would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. Maybe I've got it wrong, but those two together tell me that Americans want a government shutdown to deal with Obamacare and they'd thank Republicans for giving them what they want.

Considering that all Americans have to deal with getting healthcare coverage in one way or another and only a relatively small portion of Americans have to deal with the federal government on a regular basis, and they mostly vote Democrat, seems like a bit of a win for the Republicans if they've got the guts to stick it out and not give in.
I think you have distilled this brew in its elegant simplicity.

Republicans should be taking credit [where does this idea of blame even come from? Oh, yeah, its CNN ] for what 51% of Americans deep down want to be done. Just need to stand up, act like a strong dad or mom would in a normal family setting, be the adult in the room, the enforcer of what ultimately needs be done.

Americans in the past have almost always pushed to the forefront the people, when we really need them, that will actually get the job done right. You cannot actually hear the bugles, but they are there in spirit.

And I say, if nothing else, go down swinging... playing the odds at this late stage, opportunities swiftly evaporate in the past narrowing to the few with little time... well, this is a place to stand upright, steady the barrel and take the really good shot. American people feeling the pain, the certain foreboding, the expectation of just being the beginning, rails pulling up, starting to come off the track of the train steered, with jerky hesitation, to barrel full speed ahead anyhow...best we push levers on our master breaks now, before we go off that rickety bridge that has already collapsed under that cumbersomely weighty magnun opus 0-bama, OBAMACARE.In the movie this would be where the dissonant organ notes would sound the alarm, the subtle signalling of collective disquiet.

We apparently have had some innate mass consciousness whose united vision is even better than the pundits when it comes crunch time...lets hope we still have that within us... there are many, ostensibly too many, that seem very determined to take, or go along with the teaching of that virtue away from us.


Well to be fair the OP poll is a CON game designed to have so vague a question it could mean anything from continuing the sequestration to heavy cuts in the military in order to hit over 50%.

When Pew does a poll it is a series of SEPARATE questions rather than a long run-on one, the picture is vastly different. roughly 1 in 4 Americans want ACA repealed, as many want ACA made better- those two polar opposites are combined to make the 51% disapprove of ACA. :doh

That means twice as many citizens have a wait and see or approve of ACA than want it repealed.

Odd that now suddenly CONs claim most Americans don't deal with the Federal Government when they claim the reason they lost the last election is sooooo many citizens are dependent on the Feds... :confused:

Just more CON games....
National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
Conducted September 14-15, 2013
By Rasmussen Reports



1* How closely have you followed recent news reports about the federal budget debate in Congress?


2* Congress is negotiating over a budget with a looming September 30 deadline. Which do you favor – a federal budget that increases spending or one that cuts spending? Or should spending levels remain about the same?


3* If Democrats and Republicans fail to reach a budget agreement soon, there will be a partial shutdown of the federal government. Payments for things like Social Security, Medicare and unemployment benefits would continue, but some federal government services could be shut down until an agreement is reached. Would a partial shutdown of the federal government be good for the economy, bad for the economy, or have no impact on the economy?


4* Would you rather have Congress avoid a government shutdown by authorizing spending at existing levels or would you rather have a partial government shutdown until Democrats and Republicans can agree on what spending to cut?


5* Some members of Congress refuse to approve a budget unless it slows or stops funding for the new health care law. Would you rather have Congress avoid a government shutdown by authorizing spending for the health care law at existing levels or would you rather have a partial government shutdown until Democrats and Republicans agree on what spending for that law to cut?

NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

That sounds like more than one run on to me...you? And while I could always make changes to what I, personally, might think to be the more pertinent questions and/or wording... how would you have improved on this poll? Seems to me the questions are not worded improperly, also not giving bias at the same time informing in a succinct manner what's happening, identifying but not laying blame...clean...but I might be missing something, you tell me.

Oh, you push with gusto the polling methods of Pew...did they do a study? If so, what were their questions and results? Lay your cards down where we can see them.
 
You picked up the ball and ran to the wrong end zone. You are having a debate with yourself about a topic that has nothing to do with "51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding". You know... the topic of the thread? Until you try to make an effort to stay coherent... have fun with your over-generalized rants with yourself.
Au contraire monsieur, to the nuanced reader I was condensing into a concentrated form one of the arguments against Obamacare upon which some of us, some of that 51%, place major fault, the redistributionist [ read: socialist ] aspect. One hesitates to express it this way, but it is one of those rare occasions where this is almost, if not just plain is, Un-American like if only in its foreign nature, its approach.

So, you see, I am able to give retort off topic while relating it to topic. Lets see you give it a try.
 
Very bad reporting by Rasmussen. The summary says "51% of voters favor having a partial government shutdown until Democrats and Republicans agree on what spending for the health care law to cut." I'm not even sure what this means. It could mean that they want the GOP and Democrats to agree to no cuts.

Here's the question. This is a real stinker for Rasmussen.

5* Some members of Congress refuse to approve a budget unless it slows or stops funding for the new health care law. Would you rather have Congress avoid a government shutdown by authorizing spending for the health care law at existing levels or would you rather have a partial government shutdown until Democrats and Republicans agree on what spending for that law to cut?


That's a stinker alright. It looks like a "push poll" question.
 
You can't prove that this health care scam the govt is trying to run will save anything. No one can.
Doing nothing would cost a lot more. Health care costs and insurance rates were skyrocketing long before Obamacare.


I notice you have no comment on the sheer length of the statute and all the "regulations" it will take to enact...over 2 MILLION words...3 times longer than the bible...but like the bible..you have "faith" that everything the govt tells you is true...
It's been awhile since I glanced through the ACA, but if recall it was double spaced which did make it easier to read. I saw some good stuff in it...such as low interest loans for medical students and loan forgiveness if they work two years at a major hospital. This is meant to help the doctor shortage. Also, insurance reimburcements if insurance company's over charge and going after medical fraud more aggressively, and negotiating for lower drug prices. Having the choice to pick which private insurance plan to buy is good and you can keep it if you move or lose your job.

I want somebody to suggest to me a single, government run program that isn't a bloated, mismanaged, intransient, rapacious abuser of tax dollars...but you want the govt to run "healthcare"..LMAO...seriously?
I'm not convinced that the private sector left to it's own devices is much better. Companies that only care about share holder value and profit tend to cut corners, gouge consumers and produce less value.


These are some points about the health care scam the govt is pushing...

With unemployment rising continuously (along with energy and food costs) and salaries remaining stagnant, the government wants to raise the cost of hiring workers by requiring employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fee (tax) to subsidize government coverage. That's not good or smart....unless you work for the govt.

Every American would be required to buy an insurance policy that meets "certain government requirements". Even individuals who are currently insured — and happy with their insurance — will have to switch to insurance that meets the government’s definition of “acceptable insurance.” More govt control over people. Not good.
Either the taxpayers and those with health insurance continue to pay for others to have free healthcare at emergency rooms... or every individual pays for their own insurance. I think I prefer the latter.


A government-run plan similar to Medicare would supposedly be set up to compete with private insurance and people will allegedly be able to choose either private insurance or the taxpayer-subsidized public plan. Yeah..sure..believe that...
Subsidies and cost-shifting would encourage Americans to shift to the government plan. The govt will make sure and "regulate" things so that people have no choice. It's a scam.
If you can choose from several private insurance companys and plans on the Insurance Exchange...then isn't that giving people a choice? Utah already had their insurance exchange set up in 2009. On the home page it says...."The average monthly individual health insurance premium paid for single-person coverage in UT is $131."

Here's what Utah's insurance exchange looks like....

Health Insurance Online - Free Quotes and Information | HealthCare.com


The government would undertake comparative-effectiveness research and cost-effectiveness research, and use the results of that research to impose practice guidelines on providers — Right..and those "results" will predictably support everything the govt says...they'll make SURE the results support their theories...believe that. More "regulating" and manipulating in order to grow govt.
I like the idea of having a standard level of quality in health care.


Private insurance would face rafts of new regulations, including requirements to insure all applicants and a prohibition on pricing
premiums on the basis of risk. If you can't get your way honestly, "regulate" things so there is no choice.
I'm pretty sure that the private insurance companies had a hand in creating Obamacare. It's because of them that there isn't 'single payer' or universal healthcare.


“Political right, political left, you can keep your politics. Government is government and all government is force.
Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course. Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law…
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game.” - Crass
Right arm.
 
You can't prove that this health care scam the govt is trying to run will save anything. No one can. I notice you have no comment on the sheer length of the statute and all the "regulations" it will take to enact...over 2 MILLION words...3 times longer than the bible...but like the bible..you have "faith" that everything the govt tells you is true...

I want somebody to suggest to me a single, government run program that isn't a bloated, mismanaged, intransient, rapacious abuser of tax dollars...but you want the govt to run "healthcare"..LMAO...seriously?

These are some points about the health care scam the govt is pushing...

With unemployment rising continuously (along with energy and food costs) and salaries remaining stagnant, the government wants to raise the cost of hiring workers by requiring employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fee (tax) to subsidize government coverage. That's not good or smart....unless you work for the govt.

Every American would be required to buy an insurance policy that meets "certain government requirements". Even individuals who are currently insured — and happy with their insurance — will have to switch to insurance that meets the government’s definition of “acceptable insurance.” More govt control over people. Not good.

A government-run plan similar to Medicare would supposedly be set up to compete with private insurance and people will allegedly be able to choose either private insurance or the taxpayer-subsidized public plan. Yeah..sure..believe that...
Subsidies and cost-shifting would encourage Americans to shift to the government plan. The govt will make sure and "regulate" things so that people have no choice. It's a scam.

The government would undertake comparative-effectiveness research and cost-effectiveness research, and use the results of that research to impose practice guidelines on providers — Right..and those "results" will predictably support everything the govt says...they'll make SURE the results support their theories...believe that. More "regulating" and manipulating in order to grow govt.

Private insurance would face rafts of new regulations, including requirements to insure all applicants and a prohibition on pricing
premiums on the basis of risk. If you can't get your way honestly, "regulate" things so there is no choice.



“Political right, political left, you can keep your politics. Government is government and all government is force.
Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course. Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law…
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game.” - Crass

In post #61 you stated this” That's speculation and hasn't been proven “in response to my post which this stated we spend 17.6 percent (2010 numbers) of our GDP on healthcare.

In post #90 I respectfully ask if you “perhaps have something besides your opinion that you can cite for me? “

All I got was some paranoid bull**** about a “health care scam “ inspite of the fact that it was/is a a repub idea. Followed by a lameass screed about high unemployment and stagnant wages. Hey- if you don’t have anything besides your opinion just state it. Don’t throw bunch of off topic bull**** out and hope for the best.:lamo
 
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