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Young Iraqis Overwhelmingly Consider US Their Enemy Poll Says (1 Viewer)

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[FONT=TIActuBeta-ExBold_web]MORE THAN 90 PERCENT[/FONT] of young people in Iraq consider the United States to be an enemy of their country, according to a new poll.
After years spent justifying the war as a “liberation” of the Iraqi people, the survey casts further doubt on the success of that endeavor.


The results of the poll offer an interesting window into long-term perceptions of the Iraq War by Iraqis themselves. Advocates of the 2003 invasion often justified it by claiming post-Saddam Iraq would be an ally of U.S. interests in the region. In a speech leading up to the war, then-Vice President Dick Cheney cited experts who claimed Iraqis would “erupt in joy” over the invasion, predicting it would result in “strong bonds” created between the two countries. But years later, after hundreds of billions of dollars spent and more than a hundred thousand Iraqis dead, the United States is overwhelmingly considered an enemy by young men and women who were children when the war began.
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The eruption of joy that never came... Apparently if your country is bombed, invaded and occupied those being bombed and occupied dont like the country doing the bombing and occupying.
 
No...they occupied, terrorized, confined, and bombed the colonies after we started revolting.

Japan sorta like us too.......and we kinda blew the crap outta them, then occupied them for a number of years.
 
RetiredUSN said:
No...they occupied, terrorized, confined, and bombed the colonies after we started revolting.
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and again in 1811-1813.

Japan sorta like us too.......and we kinda blew the crap outta them, then occupied them for a number of years.
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Isn't there a large, central-European-ish Country where we still have an occupational force? Or am I thinking of that Asian Penninsula place.
 
Anyway, as to the OP, yes. Congradulations. Our foreign policy is so feckless that we have successfully convinced every single actor in Iraq that we are working for the opposite side.



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Worst name for a foreign policy. Ever.
 
We backed al-Maliki who was a wannabe despot until he was forced out. When al-MALIKI showed himself to be a mini-Hussein, we should have given him the boot. We had a legit coalition between Kurds, Sunni, Shiah: everyone. Al-maliki ruined it.

Biden was one of that guy's most vocal supporters and he was Obama's VP for his so called foreign policy experience. This highlights why I no longer regard "experts" with much credibility.

Our blunders and squandered opportunities in IRAQ continue to show why the status quo is dominated by bumbling idiots with one caveat: If their actual goal is to perpetually support the military industrial complex then they've done a marvelous job.
 
RetiredUSN said:
No...they occupied, terrorized, confined, and bombed the colonies after we started revolting.

Japan sorta like us too.......and we kinda blew the crap outta them, then occupied them for a number of years.
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You mean the rebels did that after they revolted over almost nothing.
 
RetiredUSN said:
No...they occupied, terrorized, confined, and bombed the colonies after we started revolting.
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We also won and had 200+ years to kiss and make up

Japan sorta like us too.......and we kinda blew the crap outta them, then occupied them for a number of years.
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Apples to oranges comparison.
1.)Japan took place during a regular war and encompassed a regular surrender from a state. The War in Iraq was a literal invasion and occupation of a country that was not militarized and served no threat to us.
2.)Japan also retained their native government and government officials were not purged. Iraq we occupied their state, overthrew their government, and essentially gutted every government official in the "de-Baathification" of the country/government.
3.)In Japan we did not put into power a sectarian authoritarian official. In Iraq we put into power a sectarian authoritarian who many saw/see not better and possibly worse than Saddam
4.)In Japan as a result of the Allies occupation a civil war did not break out and a civil war continued once we left Japan. In Iraq a civil war did break out during our occupation and it also continued once we left
5.)In Japan the Allied occupation effectively rebuilt the infrastructure and the Japanese government was able to deliver basic social services to the population as a whole. In Iraq massive fraud broke out during reconstruction of the country and reconstruction essentially did not occur.
6.)In Japan a massive terrorist organization did not form out the allied occupation. In Iraq a massive terrorist organization did form out of the occupation.
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The eruption of joy that never came... Apparently if your country is bombed, invaded and occupied those being bombed and occupied dont like the country doing the bombing and occupying. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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That would be ISIS, not the US. We haven't been there since 18 December 2011, and the number of air strikes on ISIS by the US during the time after that date has been minimal (and ineffective).

The young people of Iraq are no different than the young people of our own country. Many (if not most) young people will believe the propaganda rather than the truth if it fits into their big bully (read US) versus small grassroots uprising (read ISIS) when in fact it's the latter that's killing them by the thousands, not the US.

I can understand why they feel that way. The US left them with a power vacuum after 18 December 2011 that allowed ISIS and their sectarian based government to foment a religious and civil war that has turned their country into a hell on earth resulting in genocidal religious lines being drawn.
 
Beaudreaux said:
You think that was the reason? Tea, and greed? Surely not?
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It was they revolted over a tea tax, the other taxes were not even actually imposed. The parliament which they did have representation in by the way (limited but they still had representation) decided that since the colonies benefited the most form the Seven Years War they should help pay for it. But apparently that is unreasonable.
 
Beaudreaux said:
That would be ISIS, not the US. We haven't been there since 18 December 2011, and the number of air strikes on ISIS by the US during the time after that date has been minimal (and ineffective).

The young people of Iraq are no different than the young people of our own country. Many (if not most) young people will believe the propaganda rather than the truth if it fits into their big bully (read US) versus small grassroots uprising (read ISIS) when in fact it's the latter that's killing them by the thousands, not the US.

I can understand why they feel that way. The US left them with a power vacuum after 18 December 2011 that allowed ISIS and their sectarian based government to foment a religious and civil war that has turned their country into a hell on earth resulting in genocidal religious lines being drawn.
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At one point you say/seem to be implying that they feel this way because of some propaganda that is lies (not the truth) but then you say you understand why they feel this way because of a power vacuum.

But you also say that its ISIS thats killing them and not the US. This is true, but its also ignoring the recent history that many of these respondents grew up in, that of being invaded and bombed by the US not once but twice, a US enforced sanctions on the country that killed anywhere from 300,000-500,000 children, and an occupation of their country which killed up to 200,000 civilians and also which ISIS grew out of. Im sure that this all has to deal with why Iraqis distrust America so much...
 
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The eruption of joy that never came... Apparently if your country is bombed, invaded and occupied those being bombed and occupied dont like the country doing the bombing and occupying. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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TheDemSocialist said:
At one point you say/seem to be implying that they feel this way because of some propaganda that is lies (not the truth) but then you say you understand why they feel this way because of a power vacuum.

But you also say that its ISIS thats killing them and not the US. This is true, but its also ignoring the recent history that many of these respondents grew up in, that of being invaded and bombed by the US not once but twice, a US enforced sanctions on the country that killed anywhere from 300,000-500,000 children, and an occupation of their country which killed up to 200,000 civilians and also which ISIS grew out of. Im sure that this all has to deal with why Iraqis distrust America so much...
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That's because they were too young, mostly, to remember much, if anything, about Saddam.....like young people anywhere, they have a strong streak of stubbornness mixed with stupidity. And I'm saying this as a teenager myself
 
cpwill said:
and again in 1811-1813.



Isn't there a large, central-European-ish Country where we still have an occupational force? Or am I thinking of that Asian Penninsula place.
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We still have lots of military personnel in Japan but, not what you would call an occupation force.
 
coldjoint said:
If they hate us why do we let them come here? Does it make any sense to import enemies?


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Holding a country as a geopolitical enemy does not mean citizens of said country equate to citizens engaging in hostile action
 
Carjosse said:
It was they revolted over a tea tax, the other taxes were not even actually imposed. The parliament which they did have representation in by the way (limited but they still had representation) decided that since the colonies benefited the most form the Seven Years War they should help pay for it. But apparently that is unreasonable.
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Since explaining the numerous ways that the statement above is lacking in depth and intelligence would further derail this thread, I will simply remove myself from this part of the conversation with this one last statement: Study history before making such statements.
 
Which Muslims don't hate us is the question?
 
Tigerace117 said:
That's because they were too young, mostly, to remember much, if anything, about Saddam.....like young people anywhere, they have a strong streak of stubbornness mixed with stupidity. And I'm saying this as a teenager myself
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Its a little naive to play off these findings as youths just being stupid.
 
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