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[Deuce]

One has only to look at America's growth before leftism took hold, vs after FDR when virtually every policy shift was leftist.

America's relative GDP (green) grew boundlessly, until it instituted leftist policies (FDR-Truman circa late 1940's). Since then, America shrank and continues to head toward poverty.

Two-hundred and fifty years of boundless and uninterrupted growth. Broken by leftist policies. Ever since instituting leftist policies, America's decline is clear for all to see. You asked to see America's GDP? Here it is. Falling against the rest of the world (who are moving politically right). We will suffer and they will grow, as long as we buy-into the story-line of the left. They tell us America wasn't great until FDR, yet the evidence shows otherwise. The left has been sapping our strength and living on our greatness of the past.

China surpassed us this year as the world's largest economy. When will facts slap American's in the face, so we dump leftists and leftist policies? Prosperity is ours for the taking. Simply elect true conservatives. Easy.




No problems with the "working for it" comment. The heartburn is with leftist choices. Third world poor can work as hard as they want; work their fingers to the bone, it won't make a bit of difference to their poverty until they choose what we call "conservative" governments. Only freedom and free and fair markets create prosperity. How hard they work has almost nothing to do with it, until they setup government based on individual freedoms and property rights.

And you don't think the drawdown from World War II had an impact? Interesting. And industrializing of China and India? No effect on the United States' share of world GDP? If we'd just stayed more "right," we'd have stayed the same percentage of world GDP despite other countries rapidly growing?

I'm not sure you really understand what these numbers mean.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

One has only to look at America's growth before leftism took hold, vs after FDR when virtually every policy shift was leftist.

America's relative GDP (green) grew boundlessly, until it instituted leftist policies (FDR-Truman circa late 1940's). Since then, America shrank and continues to head toward poverty.

Two-hundred and fifty years of boundless and uninterrupted growth. Broken by leftist policies. Ever since instituting leftist policies, America's decline is clear for all to see. You asked to see America's GDP? Here it is. Falling against the rest of the world (who are moving politically right). We will suffer and they will grow, as long as we buy-into the story-line of the left. They tell us America wasn't great until FDR, yet the evidence shows otherwise. The left has been sapping our strength and living on our greatness of the past.

China surpassed us this year as the world's largest economy. When will facts slap American's in the face, so we dump leftists and leftist policies? Prosperity is ours for the taking. Simply elect true conservatives. Easy.




No problems with the "working for it" comment. The heartburn is with leftist choices. Third world poor can work as hard as they want; work their fingers to the bone, it won't make a bit of difference to their poverty until they choose what we call "conservative" governments. Only freedom and free and fair markets create prosperity. How hard they work has almost nothing to do with it, until they setup government based on individual freedoms and property rights.

LOL, basically a whole post glorifying conservatism as the end-all-be-all. Whatever.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

And you don't think the drawdown from World War II had an impact? Interesting.

Duh, our rise was cuz of conservatism, WWII and its immediate aftermath had nothing to do with it. Get your facts right man OMG stop being so dumb.

:lamo

 

[imagep]

One has only to look at America's growth before leftism took hold, vs after FDR when virtually every policy shift was leftist.

....

I see a pretty good upward trend under Roosevelt. Also under Clinton. Weren't they liberals?

And a small slump when Reagan and the first bush were in office, and a big slump around the time that the second Bush was elected.

I'm not so sure that this chart tells us anything because it 's more based upon the performance of other countries than it is ours. Are you trying to prove that world economics is zero sum based? Like when China, India, and Japan started producing more, that somehow caused us to produce less?

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I see a pretty good upward trend under Roosevelt. Also under Clinton. Weren't they liberals?

And a small slump when Reagan and the first bush were in office, and a big slump around the time that the second Bush was elected.

I'm not so sure that this chart tells us anything because it 's more based upon the performance of other countries than it is ours. Are you trying to prove that world economics is zero sum based? Like when China, India, and Japan started producing more, that somehow caused us to produce less?

No, he's trying to prove that conservatism is the sacred economic word of God that will lead humanity to perfection.

 

[sangha]

One has only to look at America's growth before leftism took hold, vs after FDR when virtually every policy shift was leftist.

America's relative GDP (green) grew boundlessly, until it instituted leftist policies (FDR-Truman circa late 1940's). Since then, America shrank and continues to head toward poverty.

Andd I thought Paleocon's posts were going to be the dumbest posts in this thread.

 

[Respecthelect]

*Looks at GDP of the U.S.A*

LOL, basically a whole post glorifying conservatism as the end-all-be-all. Whatever.

You were the one who said "Looks at GDP," not me. I merely did what you asked and "Looked at the GDP."

America's GDP boomed until leftist policies dragged it down.

Maybe next time, you drop the leftist communist nonsense and grow up. Prosperity comes through freedom and property rights. Prosperity for the poor and prosperity for you. Do what's in your own best interest and learn conservatism. So, next time you won't have to eat your own words?

 

[Respecthelect]

I see a pretty good upward trend under Roosevelt. Also under Clinton. Weren't they liberals?

And a small slump when Reagan and the first bush were in office, and a big slump around the time that the second Bush was elected.

I'm not so sure that this chart tells us anything because it 's more based upon the performance of other countries than it is ours. Are you trying to prove that world economics is zero sum based? Like when China, India, and Japan started producing more, that somehow caused us to produce less?

I see unbridled growth until leftist policies began to drag us down. The growth is straight up, until America started moving left. Yes, the rest of the world moved right, while we moved left and that's why we're declining and will continue to decline, until and unless we return to freedom and property rights. Less regulation, less mob-rule and more building.

 

[Respecthelect]

No, he's trying to prove that conservatism is the sacred economic word of God that will lead humanity to perfection.

I "liked" this. Well said. (Approaching perfection, but only God achieves perfection)

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Andd I thought Paleocon's posts were going to be the dumbest posts in this thread.

Ehh, I still think his posts were the worst of all.

On one hand we have respectthelect who is telling us what fiscal policy works best in his opinion, which in and of itself isn't bad at all.

Paleocon is suggesting we toss out all of our religious rights in the trash.

Don't worry about them sangha, we can be Sane and rational forever!



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That post gets a super-rare Luftwaffe like

 

[Respecthelect]

 

[imagep]

I see unbridled growth until leftist policies began to drag us down. The growth is straight up, until America started moving left. Yes, the rest of the world moved right, while we moved left and that's why we're declining and will continue to decline, until and unless we return to freedom and property rights. Less regulation, less mob-rule and more building.

Yet your chart doesn't indicate our growth, it just indicates our percentage of the world GDP. If you REALLY wanted to show our gdp growth, you would have displayed a graph of that.

But I do have to give it to you conservatives, when you can't prove your argument based upon facts, you are darned good of pretending to base it something that appears to be factual (until it is really investigated). That tactic may work at the barber shop with your tea party friends, but not on dp. Nice trick though.

Now point out that trend on the graph below:

 

[ecofarm]

Agriculture subsidy.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Yet your chart doesn't indicate our growth, it just indicates our percentage of the world GDP. If you REALLY wanted to show our gdp growth, you would have displayed a graph of that.

But I do have to give it to you conservatives, when you can't prove your argument based upon facts, you are darned good of pretending to base it something that appears to be factual (until it is really investigated). That tactic may work at the barber shop with your tea party friends, but not on dp

Appeared to be factual?

Laughable, I said *looks at GDP of U.S.A*

and he looks at relative GDP in the world...

 

[Stoney]

Wait so you aren't even sure of what you said?

Welcome to DP, thanks for the contributions.

I don't know where you'd get that idea from what I've posted.

Thanks and thanks.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I don't know where you'd get that idea from what I've posted.

Thanks and thanks.

Of course you don't. We liberals are all lying scums apparently.

 

[imagep]

Of course you don't. We liberals are all lying scums apparently.

You lying liberals should start posting more unrelated graphs claiming that they have something to do with your argument. Apparently conservatives like that approach.

 

[Stoney]

Duh, our rise was cuz of conservatism, WWII and its immediate aftermath had nothing to do with it. Get your facts right man OMG stop being so dumb.

:lamo

Not conservatism or liberalism but capitalism rather than socialism.

 

[Stoney]

Of course you don't. We liberals are all lying scums apparently.

I try to have civil, reasoned discussions. Sometimes it doesn't work. If I called you or any liberal anything like a "lying scum" then pleas except my sincere apology. I don't like name calling. If I didn't then...

 

[Respecthelect]

Yet your chart doesn't indicate our growth, it just indicates our percentage of the world GDP.

Yes, if our GDP had kept up with the world, we'd be rich beyond our wildest dreams. It's nice that our total GDP hasn't contracted (until recently), but it's our position relative to the rest of the world that should matter. Why should our GDP decline relative to others? If we maintained our founding principles, our GDP should have continued to grow relative to others. At least until some other country became freer than us.

Instead, we've thrown away our lead position in favor of central-planning and mob-rule that pushes us around relentlessly. We've squandered the blessings of liberty and our relative position in the world is suffering for it. Other countries will now enjoy the best standards of living, the best food, the best travel and the ability to push us around. And they won't be as egalitarian as we were.

And for what? Chasing communist free-lunches? Jealously stealing other's wealth, to make it our own? We end up clawing each other down, while other countries build themselves up. They have the high-tech factories, they have the tallest buildings, they enjoy the best the world has to offer. They got us to trade, "Hot ashes for trees. Hot air for a cool breeze. Cold comfort for change."

 

[CalGun]

Rule....you want govt pay for it. Don't want it fine don't pay for it or ask anything of it.

 

[imagep]

Yes, if our GDP had kept up with the world, we'd be rich beyond our wildest dreams. ...

How does the GDP growth of the rest of the world effect us? If I am more productive than you are, does that make you any less productive? Seems to me that you are back to making this argument that the creation of wealth is somehow zero sum.

Sorry, I'm just not getting the point of your chart. Are you seriously saying that because China is growing that is somehow harming us? The chart indicates that the growth of the Chinese economy has made ours proportionally smaller, not that it has harmed our growth. We never even started importing tons of Chinese goods until the past couple of decades, although your chart clearly indicates that the Chinese GDP started growing much earlier than that.

By the way, our total GDP is at a record level, or at least pretty darned close to it, although it did decline at the end of the Bush presidentcy (both of them). So much for conservative economics.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Yes, if our GDP had kept up with the world, we'd be rich beyond our wildest dreams. It's nice that our total GDP hasn't contracted (until recently), but it's our position relative to the rest of the world that should matter. Why should our GDP decline relative to others? If we maintained our founding principles, our GDP should have continued to grow relative to others. At least until some other country became freer than us.

Instead, we've thrown away our lead position in favor of central-planning and mob-rule that pushes us around relentlessly. We've squandered the blessings of liberty and our relative position in the world is suffering for it. Other countries will now enjoy the best standards of living, the best food, the best travel and the ability to push us around. And they won't be as egalitarian as we were.

And for what? Chasing communist free-lunches? Jealously stealing other's wealth, to make it our own? We end up clawing each other down, while other countries build themselves up. They have the high-tech factories, they have the tallest buildings, they enjoy the best the world has to offer. They got us to trade, "Hot ashes for trees. Hot air for a cool breeze. Cold comfort for change."

There's nothing of value in this post. Just a hurt conservative trying to claw at anything that attacks the little corner he has been backed in to.

Lol, china enjoys the best the world has to offer.

How about you go to China and work like the average person, tell me how wonderful they have it, how they have the most to enjoy in the world. You're privileged butt wouldn't last two seconds before crying to mom and wanting to come back.

 

[Respecthelect]

Sorry, I'm just not getting the point of your chart. Are you seriously saying that because China is growing that is somehow harming us?

Our standard of living is declining. Our ability to influence world events is declining. The likelihood we are soon nuked is rising precipitously. Yes, declining GDP, relative to the world is harming us. No, it's not a zero-sum game, but as China and others rise relative to us, it harms us.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Our standard of living is declining. Our ability to influence world events is declining. The likelihood we are soon nuked is rising precipitously. Yes, declining GDP, relative to the world is harming us. No, it's not a zero-sum game, but as China and others rise relative to us, it harms us.

"The likelihood we are soon nuked is rising..."

I don't normally take your views seriously, but this is getting borderline hilarious as hell.