Yale Law School Students Interrupt Event, Demand Right To Talk Over Speakers

[Logician Man]

<<< and your hate filled defamation is appallingly dishonest

This^ little nugget from someone who within the last week put forth a personal attack upon a recently deceased DP member who is no longer capable of defending himself from that "appalling" personal attack.

 

[americanwoman]

Why do I need to "back them" to allow them to speak? Why are you so afraid of discourse?

They are free to speak. Just seems like you are backing them because you don't agree they are a hate group which I would consider them.

 

[Irredentist]

good for you. But that isn't the issue. It is about free speech-an issue that so many left-wingers seem to hate

I see no reason to protect the freedom of those who openly seek to deny that same freedom to those they deem inferior, such as black people or gay people.

 

[americanwoman]

See? Even in your attempt to justify your stupid position you present a dishonest argument. You have conflated peaceful protests in a state capital building by law abiding citizens exercising a legal right to the 6 January attacks. No one entering the capital on 6 January was armed. And do you deny that most people in the capital building on 6 January laughing and posting selfies? And lets not lose site of the CONTENT of what you are posting...I said and still say that a bunch of retarded leftists that endorsed the burning down of cities in the name of their cause to shit themselves over a 3 hour occupation is the absolute HEIGHT of hypocrisy. Context matters. Does that mean those people shouldnt be held accountable?Of COURSE NOT...it means people that are still shitting themselves over 6 Jan while voting for elected officials that bailed out rioters and looters are a collection of piece of shit hypocrites. My comments are far more about the hypocrites than the Jan 6 'rioters'...or even the BLM rioters.

Then I guess we can all agree that both sides seem to think sometimes protests are okay and sometimes they are not.

A group I don't like has every room to speak and hold events but I'm not going to get my panties in a twist because another group interrupted - non violently - and got removed.

If it bothers you so much that people you don't even know in a school you never went to is acting up, then go ahead and be outraged.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Like I said...you don't understand free speech...and are backing stupid people doing stupid things.

I understand free speech, and what the legal definition is.

Free speech is the right to say what you want without being punished by the government.

It is not the right to be heard, it is not the right to not to suffer consequences from public response ( ie job loss, people avoiding you) it is not the right to use tools that do not belong to you to express yourself ( ie making companies carry your views on their platforms)

The way many Americans view it, it is the right to be obnoxious, it is the right to use other peoples platform to express themselves, and the right to do so and suffer no consequences from the private sector

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Your stupid lies about others only prove you are unable to debate this issue. You think anyone who doesn't buy into your reactionary parasitic statist political agenda is "brainwashed" or a "white supremacist" is proof enough that you haven't a clue about what you are talking about.

Yes or no-you support what happened at Yale?

I'm not lying.

 

[Fishking]

Fascinating anecdote, but I simply don't care. I wouldn't debate the South African ambassador about racism, anymore than I would debate the Russian ambassador about the Ukraine. I would run them out of town.

Then you have more in common with Putin that you're criticizing than not.

 

[Fishking]

Given his openly racist view of black people, anything professor Ernest might have to say about the matter is suspect at best, and ought to be denounced and disregarded, due to his clear racial bias.

Quotes.

 

[TurtleDude]

I see no reason to protect the freedom of those who openly seek to deny that same freedom to those they deem inferior, such as black people or gay people.

so in your mind-arguing against lowered academic standards based on the racism that blacks are unable to compete with whites and Asians, is "Denying freedom"

or is it your view that any conservative position that opposes say welfare-socialism or racially based advantages, is "denying freedom"? Your answer seems rather frail in terms of actual logic

 

[VanceMack]

I understand free speech, and what the legal definition is.

Free speech is the right to say what you want without being punished by the government.

It is not the right to be heard, it is not the right to not to suffer consequences from public response ( ie job loss, people avoiding you) it is not the right to use tools that do not belong to you to express yourself ( ie making companies carry your views on their platforms)

The way many Americans view it, it is the right to be obnoxious, it is the right to use other peoples platform to express themselves, and the right to do so and suffer no consequences from the private sector

Lets go ahead and get you on record as supporting the position that YOU absolutely would support a group of people standing and chanting in the middle of a movie for the duration of the movie.

Cuz....free speech...right?

Or going into doctors offices or counseling centers and protesting and chanting...you support that too...because...free speech...right?

 

[TurtleDude]

Then you have more in common with Putin that you're criticizing than not.

He is clearly hostile to free speech

 

[TurtleDude]

They are free to speak. Just seems like you are backing them because you don't agree they are a hate group which I would consider them.

you consider the federalist society a "hate group"?

 

[americanwoman]

He is clearly hostile to free speech

Aren't we all in some cases? Or in the name of "free" speech" and not being hostile, NAMBLA can hold an event at an elementary school?

Just because we'd object that doesn't make us freaking Putin.

 

[americanwoman]

you consider the federalist society a "hate group"?

If you go back I am talking about ADF.

 

[VanceMack]

Then I guess we can all agree that both sides seem to think sometimes protests are okay and sometimes they are not.

A group I don't like has every room to speak and hold events but I'm not going to get my panties in a twist because another group interrupted - non violently - and got removed.

If it bothers you so much that people you don't even know in a school you never went to is acting up, then go ahead and be outraged.

1-Your comments are ironic since you did indeed jump into this thread positing a stupid defense of stupid people doing stupid things...and 2-perhaps the reason why this is relevant is because it is not a one time occurence but rather something that happens quite frequently. It is behavior championed by people like you which will ensure that it happens...and/or will get worse. It devolves into now people getting attacked at restaurants or while simply walking in the street or participating in events.

 

[americanwoman]

1-Your comments are ironic since you did indeed jump into this thread positing a stupid defense of stupid people doing stupid things...and 2-perhaps the reason why this is relevant is because it is not a one time occurence but rather something that happens quite frequently. It is behavior championed by people like you which will ensure that it happens...and/or will get worse. It devolves into now people getting attacked at restaurants or while simply walking in the street or participating in events.

"It was probably just a kegger gone wild or perhaps a case of legitimate political discourse. That's cool, right?"

You can take that as a stupid defense but it was my poor attempt at humor that obviously slides right past you. Don't quite my day job, eh?

 

[VanceMack]

Aren't we all in some cases? Or in the name of "free" speech" and not being hostile, NAMBLA can hold an event at an elementary school?

Just because we'd object that doesn't make us freaking Putin.

Wait...so now you are saying its APPROPRIATE to block some speech? Like...venues matter? Environment and circumstances matter?

 

[americanwoman]

Wait...so now you are saying its APPROPRIATE to block some speech? Like...venues matter? Environment and circumstances matter?

I never said anything about blocking any speech or any groups. Even though I disagree and think they are a hate group, show me where I ever said they shouldn't have been allowed to speak or be at the school.

 

[Fishking]

"It was probably just a kegger gone wild or perhaps a case of legitimate political discourse. That's cool, right?"

You can take that as a stupid defense but it was my poor attempt at humor that obviously slides right past you. Don't quite my day job, eh?

What a ****ing pathetic and transparent attempt to deflect away from the point you got skewered on. Your post admits you got ****ing destroyed by your avoidance.

 

[VanceMack]

"It was probably just a kegger gone wild or perhaps a case of legitimate political discourse. That's cool, right?"

You can take that as a stupid defense but it was my poor attempt at humor that obviously slides right past you. Don't quite my day job, eh?

I didnt respond to that comment...I responded to this one.

"If you defend all groups the right to speak, all groups would include the protestors and this wouldn't even be a big deal to you."

 

[VanceMack]

I never said anything about blocking any speech or any groups. Even though I disagree and think they are a hate group, show me where I ever said they shouldn't have been allowed to speak or be at the school.

Funny....here all along I thought this was a discussion on the people DISRUPTING the group.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Lets go ahead and get you on record as supporting the position that YOU absolutely would support a group of people standing and chanting in the middle of a movie for the duration of the movie.

Cuz....free speech...right?

Or going into doctors offices or counseling centers and protesting and chanting...you support that too...because...free speech...right?

Well, given that those locations are private businesses, I would support management if the decided to remove the people who were doing things against their policies, ie being quiet in a movie, not disturbing the other clients. Just like Twitter removing posts or people disturbing its business.

Outside of Twitter or on the street or outside the movie theatre, be obnoxious just don’t expect that negative consequences won’t occur ( ie losing your job, losing friends etc)

 

[gino]

My distaste for the ADF has nothing to do with their political leanings. They stand in opposition to basic human rights. I care nothing for what motivations anyone might have had for allowing them to speak. They deserve far worse than the welcome they got, and I applaud the student body for seeing to their hasty exit.

So, anyone who you disagree with has no right to come on campus and participate in a planned speaking event? Having free speech doesn't mean we are free to agree with each other. Free speech means I allow you to speak even when I hate what you say.

Not allowing the other guy the same right to free speech is a great example of fascism.

 

[Irredentist]

So, anyone who you disagree with has no right to come on campus and participate in a planned speaking event? Having free speech doesn't mean we are free to agree with each other. Free speech means I allow you to speak even when I hate what you say.

Not allowing the other guy the same right to free speech is a great example of fascism.

I disagree. Denying civil rights to gay people is fascism, and that's what the ADF openly advocates.

 

[Irredentist]

so in your mind-arguing against lowered academic standards based on the racism that blacks are unable to compete with whites and Asians, is "Denying freedom"

or is it your view that any conservative position that opposes say welfare-socialism or racially based advantages, is "denying freedom"? Your answer seems rather frail in terms of actual logic

Professor Ernest is the one who believes that Black people are unable to compete with whites, due to their alleged "intellectual inferiority". He doesn't condemn racially based advantages, he openly advocates for them.