Would I vote for Palin despite Palin

[RyrineaHaruno]

Would you want someone as president who had brought up such a stir of complaints and other issues in their short time residing as governor?

I wouldn't.

I wouldn't ether it sound like Sarah Plain wouldn't be the best choice out their.

 

[liblady]

This is the continued ranting of the tragically uninformed.

and this is the continued denial of the comically blinded.

sarah palin left office to cash in. good for her, i say, but not presidential behavior.

 

[RyrineaHaruno]

I don't agree with you - she quit among mounting fees relating to her endless ethic trials that were brought about by the far-far-left as soon as she started running for vice president. So yeah...she quit, and she's doing quite well now, thank you very much.

She did a good job as governor, even went after her own party and got a conviction. She made tough and good decisions but I know that Palinhaters will not even consider that or sing la la la while they cover their ears.:rofl
She's not a partisan hack. She goes with her gut. She supported the independant in New York over the repub that was running. Yeah...he lost but she still supported him over her own party.

Yeah...I would vote for her - compared to what we have now? You betcha.:lol:

Sarah Palin Rules the GOP -- And She Will Destroy It | | AlterNet

Ethics complaints filed against Palin: Former Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

 

[jallman]

As opposed to the whiny rants of a drama queen?

Well you do have a tendancy to froth at the mouth regularly...:shrug:

 

[jallman]

Would you want someone as president who had brought up such a stir of complaints and other issues in their short time residing as governor?

I wouldn't.

I have no issue with it as all but one of the charges was found to be meritless and she was found innocent of the one charge that did have merit.

Let's not let facts get in the way though...

 

[Thorgasm]

Moderator's Warning:

Let's keep it civil.

 

[Joe1991]

On a side note, I saw an interesting discussion on CSPAN by two authors of a new book on Palin, one works for CBS and the other for Fox News, so it's about as "balanced" as a book can get. Watch at bookTV.org:

Politics - Sarah from Alaska: The Sudden Rise and Brutal Education of a New Conservative Superstar - Book TV

Sarah from Alaska: The Sudden Rise and Brutal Education of a New Conservative Superstar

Two reporters who were embedded on the McCain/Palin campaign trail present their exclusive look at the first Republican woman nominated to be Vice President. Conroy and Walshe include anecdotes about the former Alaska governor's return home from the campaign, as well as interviews with McCain/Palin campaign staffers, and Palin family members. They discuss their behind-the-scenes view of Sarah Palin at Borders in Washington, D.C.

 

[Fiddytree]

Sarah Palin is an idiot.

There. I've said it, and I have also been pretty vocal about it, ever since she came into the political spotlight. So, would I vote for an idiot in 2012? Let me see:

1) If elected, Palin would not be the first idiot to hold office. We have one in office right now, who just does not understand economics, and how the dollar can end up as worthless paper if we do not reign in spending. How about the president before him? He liked to talk about putting food on your family. And the one before him? He attempted an impossible feat of multitasking - juggling his dick in his hand, while attempting to define the word "is". And the one before him? "Read my lips. No new taxes". And the one before him? Actually, he wasn't an idiot, but we have had nothing but idiots since then. So another idiot in office is not such a big deal, is it?

2) More important than Palin is the party platform. If it goes back to the Conservatism that the GOP once stood for, that would be much more important than the figurehead, wouldn't it?

So, would I vote for an idiot in 2012? I just might. :mrgreen:

Discussion?

Compromising your principles for political expediency? Why I never thought you would do such a thing.

 

[Fiddytree]

LOL

Palin would turn into a female Nixon. She could barely handle hte pressure while she wsa GOVERNOR - she ****ing quit for Christs sake - how can she possibly handle the Presidency?

I pray that people put aside party-passions for sanity for a moment and realize she's NOT fit to serve - not as governor and certainly not as President.

I object. You're clearly trashing the good name of Richard Millhouse Nixon with that comparison!

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I have no issue with it as all but one of the charges was found to be meritless and she was found innocent of the one charge that did have merit.

Let's not let facts get in the way though...

Oh, facts ... sure, we can focus on facts. I'm all about those:
*ahem* *cracks knuckles*

Facts about Sarah Palin:

1)
Lack of action when it came ot the issue of her town charging rape-victims for the cost of their rape-kits that were used to collect evidence. True - it was in practice before she was mayor, but she didn't do much to stop it. . . and she should have.
Palin's town used to bill victims for rape kits - USATODAY.com

2)
She opposes Stem cell research . . . which I, more now than before, strongly disagree with.
FactCheck.org: Obama's Stem Cell Spinning

3)
She's solidly pro-life, which I am no longer for a variety of reasons.

4)
I disagree with her views on same-sex issues . . . even those that are concerning unmarried partners that are joined in a union, etc.

5)
She supports teaching intelligent design in schools - which I'm adamately opposed to, always have been.

6)
She supports faith-based materials to be used in conjunction with homeschooling.

7)
Supports abstinence only education in schools.
While I agree that sex-ed should start at home, I don't feel that believing that all parents will address this issue with their kids early enough is wise.

8)
She brings her family into her views, etc.
I have never supported anyone who does this. Family (children) should be separated from politics as much as possible but Palin used her children, Bristol and Trick, to support or present her views in some way.
This is unacceptable to me.

9)
Her whole 'beauty pageant' history rubs me the wrong way and sends the wrong message to young girls who are already faced with more than enough "beauty is best" on a daily basis. . .Such values don't belong in politics.

10)
She denoted May 1 as "Bible Day" and Oct 21-27 as "Bible Week"
I'm a strong believer in separation of church and state - and she obviously doesn't know that even exists.

11)
She left her town with a massive multi-million dollar debt, in part because of a sports complex she had built which failed to gain revenue - and they're still suffering.

**

You say "why not vote for her" and I say "why should I?"
There are other candidates that mirror my views - give or take a few - that I don't have some of these issues with.

Add these issues on top of other things she believes in and represents and I find her to be insufficient and simply not gaining my vote.

If someone else would bring far less of a headache, drama and has proven capable of handling the stress of office then why would I choose Palin over the other? She doesn't have any *must haves* that I see to be so profound or unique that make her the only available option to me. :shrug:

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Well to understand why she quit, one would have to educate themselves on way ethics complaints are handled in Alaska.

The long and short of it is that ethics complaints can be brought by anyone, anywhere, at any time and there was a serious abuse of that open system going on which left Palin in court more than in the governor's office. She left office in order to give the lt. governor a chance to be productive.

You can paint this as her being a quitter but the reality is that she made a tough choice for the good of the state.

Unfortunately, most people don't know about the way ethics complaints are handled in Alaska. I think it would ultimately be a bad move for her to run simply because that will be the main method of attack against her, regardless if it's justified or not. And it is a very effective method of attack. I honestly don't think she will ever have a chance at the Presidency.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Unfortunately, most people don't know about the way ethics complaints are handled in Alaska. I think it would ultimately be a bad move for her to run simply because that will be the main method of attack against her, regardless if it's justified or not. And it is a very effective method of attack. I honestly don't think she will ever have a chance at the Presidency.

She didn't have much further to go to finish her term - if she cared about what people thought of her, or if she intended on staying strong in politics, she would have stuck it out.

But I don't think she has it in her mind. . . .unless this is just playing into her "washington outsider" pride. :shrug:

 

[Dr_Patrick]

She didn't have much further to go to finish her term - if she cared about what people thought of her, or if she intended on staying strong in politics, she would have stuck it out.

But I don't think she has it in her mind. . . .unless this is just playing into her "washington outsider" pride. :shrug:

Neither do I. Frankly, I think she's riding the fame wave for as long as it will take her. And I don't blame her one bit. She may as well get something good out of all of this.

 

[jallman]

Oh, facts ... sure, we can focus on facts. I'm all about those:
*ahem* *cracks knuckles*

Facts about Sarah Palin:

Ummm, ok, we can talk about this, too, but I don't see what that has to do with your original statement about why she had to resign as governor. But I suppose if you want to jump around all over the place and hope something sticks, by all means we can play that game, too.

1)
Lack of action when it came ot the issue of her town charging rape-victims for the cost of their rape-kits that were used to collect evidence. True - it was in practice before she was mayor, but she didn't do much to stop it. . . and she should have.
Palin's town used to bill victims for rape kits - USATODAY.com

From your own article, that is a practice not specific to Wasilla. Further, it was not in Palin's power to institute or do away with that practice as the matter fell under the powers of the police chief of the burough and was directly tied to his budgeting powers.

This is a nonissue.

2)
She opposes Stem cell research . . . which I, more now than before, strongly disagree with.
FactCheck.org: Obama's Stem Cell Spinning

OK, so she opposes stem cell research. Which has what to do with her resigning from the governorship?

3)
She's solidly pro-life, which I am no longer for a variety of reasons.

Yes, she's solidly pro-life personally. However, she has never had a prolife agenda or pushed any prolife policies from her position as a politician. In fact, of her Alaska Supreme Court appointments, one was decidedly prochoice, having even served on the board of Planned Parenthood.

4)
I disagree with her views on same-sex issues . . . even those that are concerning unmarried partners that are joined in a union, etc.

Yet she pushed for and signed into law an equality act which granted the partners of state workers benefits just like a heterosexual couple. Again, she has private views and that's ok with me. I have a few personal views of my own that I wouldn't go trying to enforce.

5)
She supports teaching intelligent design in schools - which I'm adamately opposed to, always have been.

Proof please.

6)
She supports faith-based materials to be used in conjunction with homeschooling.

And guess what? It's HOME schooling. It's irrelevant. Now if she were pushing that agenda in public schools, that would be an issue.

7)
Supports abstinence only education in schools.
While I agree that sex-ed should start at home, I don't feel that believing that all parents will address this issue with their kids early enough is wise.

She does? That's news to me...

8)
She brings her family into her views, etc.
I have never supported anyone who does this. Family (children) should be separated from politics as much as possible but Palin used her children, Bristol and Trick, to support or present her views in some way.
This is unacceptable to me.

OK..

9)
Her whole 'beauty pageant' history rubs me the wrong way and sends the wrong message to young girls who are already faced with more than enough "beauty is best" on a daily basis. . .Such values don't belong in politics.

:roll::roll::roll:

10)
She denoted May 1 as "Bible Day" and Oct 21-27 as "Bible Week"
I'm a strong believer in separation of church and state - and she obviously doesn't know that even exists.

You are gonna have to point me to something that proves this assertion. I imagine there is more to that story than you are telling.

11)
She left her town with a massive multi-million dollar debt, in part because of a sports complex she had built which failed to gain revenue - and they're still suffering.

It's true. The complex costed far more than originally anticipated, in large part due to litigation. However, the complex did result in a 38% increase in tax revenues without Palin ever raising property taxes. So it's sort of a split issue.

**

You say "why not vote for her" and I say "why should I?"
There are other candidates that mirror my views - give or take a few - that I don't have some of these issues with.

Add these issues on top of other things she believes in and represents and I find her to be insufficient and simply not gaining my vote.

If someone else would bring far less of a headache, drama and has proven capable of handling the stress of office then why would I choose Palin over the other? She doesn't have any *must haves* that I see to be so profound or unique that make her the only available option to me. :shrug:

That's fine. She doesn't have anything that is a must have for me either. I just wanted some honesty about why she left office.

 

[Goshin]

Whoever you vote for, we'll probably end up getting an idiot in the Oval Office in 2012, whichever way it goes.

Everyone I've seen run at all for the past twenty years was some sort of idiot.

If we're stuck with an idiot it might as well be one that has some values and positions I agree with.

At any rate, she says she isn't going to run.

 

[Zyphlin]

You say "why not vote for her" and I say "why should I?"
There are other candidates that mirror my views - give or take a few - that I don't have some of these issues with.

Which doesn't seem to be the hypothetical here. The hypothetical seems to come down to 2012, Palin or Obama right? So are you saying that as a supposed "Registered republican" that is "socially liberal" and "fiscally conservative", you'd vote for Obama over Palin? Or simply not vote, barring a 3rd party that fits your views?

And if its vote for Obama, I'd love ot know why you value social liberalism more so than fiscal conservatism but would remain a registered republican.

 

[WI Crippler]

If she ran as a presidential candidate, I would evaluate her platform and see how much of it mirrored my own and make a judgement from there, based on her competition as well. I'm not going to let the opinions of media, or raving liberals that hate her impact my decision. I'm a big boy now, and I can figure out for myself if she will represent enough of my values to earn my vote.

That being said, if the vote were today I likely would not. After all, she did not sway me to vote for John McCain. But there is time.

 

[Thorgasm]

If she ran as a presidential candidate, I would evaluate her platform and see how much of it mirrored my own and make a judgement from there, based on her competition as well. I'm not going to let the opinions of media, or raving liberals that hate her impact my decision. I'm a big boy now, and I can figure out for myself if she will represent enough of my values to earn my vote.

That being said, if the vote were today I likely would not. After all, she did not sway me to vote for John McCain. But there is time.

I would love to see her debate Obama.

"Say, that's a crock, Barack." :lol:

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Jallman - I was actually giving a list of ALL the reasons I wouldn't vote for her - not just focusing on one of them. :shrug:
So consider that list to be in addition to the first points I made about her - you can chalk her reprieve of her governor seat as an alaskan-issue all you want. :shrug: I don't see it that way.

Zyphlin . . . ok, yes, if we're talking of a hypothetical with *only* Obama vs *only* Palin - I won't be going to the polls that year. :shrug:

My disapproval of Palin is just as deep as my disaproval of Obama and there's nothing that can make me vote for Obama - and nothing that will make me vote for Palin.

 

[WI Crippler]

I would love to see her debate Obama.

"Say, that's a crock, Barack." :lol:

I thought she did alright against Biden. Obama wasn't exactly the wizard of debate against McCain. But admittedly Obama has something now that will help him in future debates that he didn't have before. Experience.

 

[Thorgasm]

I thought she did alright against Biden. Obama wasn't exactly the wizard of debate against McCain. But admittedly Obama has something now that will help him in future debates that he didn't have before. Experience.

Doing okay against Biden isn't really the same. Biden has foot in mouth disease. His job during that debate was to not say anything stupid.

I will say, if she didn't have that gosh darned eyelash in her eye that whole time she may have fared better. To me, all she does is recite talking points and slogans. If she could intelligently discuss the issues in detail, she would crush her opponents. She has the charisma and charm. Her gimmicky-ness cancels this out though. In a head to head debate with Obama I think he would successfully laugh off her attacks. That's of course, unless the country is in a depression by then. Then anyone will be able to beat him.

 

[Ethereal]

I'm going to vote for the Republican candidate in 2012 regardless of who it is.

 

[Captain America]

I'm going to vote for the Republican candidate in 2012 regardless of who it is.

So, YOU'RE the one. :mrgreen:

 

[Thorgasm]

I'm going to vote for the Republican candidate in 2012 regardless of who it is.

What if Obama switched parties? :lol:

 

[Ethereal]

Obama represents everything I hate politically and ideologically; principles be damned in 2012; go GOP!