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tessaesque said:
it isn't a particular crime, it's a particular definition. Mass murder does not specify a particular cultural or ethnic group, genocide does. They are both murder and both punishable in much the same way. The target is the only difference.
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It is a particular crime. what makes it particular is the impact on humanity.
 
theplaydrive said:
Not really. I disagree with many laws. It's case of the point I've been making about rights is that a fetus doesn't have them under the law - /end claim. Whether or not it should have them is the whole subjective abortion debate.
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:) well yeah, man. that's what this place is. :)
 
theplaydrive said:
I've already explained it to you. A dead plant is life gone, snuffed out as well and we don't outlaw killing plants. This is clearly not the only qualification.
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That's just an absurd and dishonest analogy.
 
cpwill said:
if I sneak into a hospital and slit the throat of everyone in a coma - is there any harm? does the family have any right to pursue me? have i murdered?
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I think it's different. I'm required in order for the fetus to survive. I have to sacrifice my body and provide nutrition for a child that I may not want or be capable of taking care of. I have no such ties to a coma patient and would therefore have no desire to end their lives (though to be fair, doctors force that choice on to families all the time). When the decision is made to have an abortion it isn't a casual, flippant one. When the options are weighed, if it comes out as the best one, that doesn't mean we're skipping off to the clinic to have it done.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I agree, and the problem is that some here (not sure whether i'm included as i'm conflicted) question the validity of how consistently those legal rights are applied.
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I think they're applied consistently - they're applied to people who are obviously in the midst of conscious life (even with temporary states of unconsciousness). The grey areas are exactly where they should be in my opinion - people who exist either before consciousness (unborn children) or after consciousness (individuals in a vegetative state).
 
StillBallin75 said:
I edited my reply, guy has responsibility too.

that being said, I think the statsitics are, under perfect use, the chance of failure is something like 0.3% I guess you really hit the jackpot.

Comparison of birth control methods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I was on a low dose hormone pill that my OBGYN assured me was fine. Turns out, if you're even 5lbs over your recommended weight it loses it's effectiveness exponentially. My new OBGYN says he only recommends it for nursing mothers, and only while they're nursing, because it just isn't very effective for the majority of women.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If I ever want kids, I'll likely adopt.
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Yeah, I've already decided I want to adopt all of my kids (probably 4) and I kind of want to adopt some older kids, not just babies, as well.
 
mac said:
It is a particular crime. what makes it particular is the impact on humanity.
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Still not seeing any correlation to abortion. Allowing women to end unwanted pregnancies isn't going to end society as we know it.
 
tessaesque said:
I was on a low dose hormone pill that my OBGYN assured me was fine. Turns out, if you're even 5lbs over your recommended weight it loses it's effectiveness exponentially. My new OBGYN says he only recommends it for nursing mothers, and only while they're nursing, because it just isn't very effective for the majority of women.
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So you switched to something new?
 
tessaesque said:
Still not seeing any correlation to abortion. Allowing women to end unwanted pregnancies isn't going to end society as we know it.
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This reminds me, a few months back we had a poster here named Dutch who believed that abortion in this country is the driver of illegal immigration from Mexico.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
So you switched to something new?
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Yaz! for the win, dude. This stuff is amazing. No mood swings, no yucky feeling the week before, no weight gain, AND it has a diuretic so I don't retain water.
 
theplaydrive said:
It's not all. I'm sorry you see it that way.
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It is..first you compare human life to plant life, second you're trying to use the pseudo-Buddhist: all life is sacred if any life is sacred or no life is sacred. Its crap and dishonest.
 
StillBallin75 said:
He suggested that all of the unborn babies that we are killing puts a dent in our labor supply; thus Mexicans are flooding in to fill the gaps.
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Yeah, all pro-choicers are really part of a huge conspiracy to promote the influx of illegal immigration so we can have cheap lawn care.
 
tessaesque said:
I think it's different. I'm required in order for the fetus to survive. I have to sacrifice my body and provide nutrition for a child that I may not want or be capable of taking care of.
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If we want the person in a coma to survive, we are required. we have to sacrifice of ourselves and provide nutrition for a person that objectively is not capable of taking care of themselves.

but you are moving away from the question. the question you posed was: if someone is not aware that they are being killed - is there any harm in killing them? Given that you have instantly moved away from that standard once it was pointed out to you the many applications it had, I'm going to guess you have decided, "yes". ?

I have no such ties to a coma patient and would therefore have no desire to end their lives (though to be fair, doctors force that choice on to families all the time). When the decision is made to have an abortion it isn't a casual, flippant one
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usually. Women in Russia, for example, are estimated (dependent on location and age) to average between three and eight abortions in their lifetime, and their abortion rate is roughly twice their birth rate. I would say they've probably become pretty casual about it.

When the options are weighed, if it comes out as the best one, that doesn't mean we're skipping off to the clinic to have it done.
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again, agreed on a general basis. As I said before, this is a sad issue for all concerned.
 
evanescence said:
:liar Either quit lying or respond to the sources I provided. Or here's an idea: how about providing your own sources.
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You have yet to show a single link that backs up your claim. You obviously don't understand the concept of verifiable sources.
 
tessaesque said:
Yaz! for the win, dude. This stuff is amazing. No mood swings, no yucky feeling the week before, no weight gain, AND it has a diuretic so I don't retain water.
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Looks like you did your homework; guess you weren't lying when you said don't take medication unless you know what you're getting into.
 
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