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Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman (2)

And that is just the thing.

"He could either be lying or telling the truth" does not fly in court without EVIDENCE that he is lying.

That is the whole premise of why I can't sit here and judge him as having done something wrong.

Did you feel that way with OJ Simpson? At that time there was far less evidence to convict OJ but I felt he did it due to relationship he had with his ex-wife and seeing her with another man. I really couldn't believe it to be a random murder of two individuals.

The video from the police station..... not clear enough to make a determination on what his wounds looked like on scene to the responding officers and medical folks.

He does not look at all like someone who just had his skull bashed into the concrete repeatedly as was suggested. I feel any scratches came from the two of them fighting for the gun, but I wasn't there and neither were you.
 
Zimmerman's reference to Martin as "asshole and f--king coon" gives me the impression of agitation.

Why do you still continue to believe he said coon?

If you are LOOKING to find racism, you'll hear it as coon.

If you are just listening, you'll agree you can't tell what was said.

If a friend of Zimmerman's (who also happens to be black) said that it sounded like he said "goon", I'll take his word for it, He has heard Zimmerman talk before, not me.
 
Why do you still continue to believe he said coon?

If you are LOOKING to find racism, you'll hear it as coon.

If you are just listening, you'll agree you can't tell what was said.

If a friend of Zimmerman's (who also happens to be black) said that it sounded like he said "goon", I'll take his word for it, He has heard Zimmerman talk before, not me.

Because it sounds like coon.

Do you think a friend of Zimmerman would have any bias? Maybe a little because his friend may be doing time? Just because he had a black friend does not mean he would not use the word coon either.

But I will play the game here, if I called you a f--king goon, do you think I may be agitated or in a sunny disposition?
 
Because it sounds like coon.

Do you think a friend of Zimmerman would have any bias? Maybe a little because his friend may be doing time? Just because he had a black friend does not mean he would not use the word coon either.

But I will play the game here, if I called you a f--king goon, do you think I may be agitated or in a sunny disposition?

You could say that it could show agitation, i'll give you that.
 
I don't know if this has been posted and I'm not about to look since I last posted, so here:

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - chicagotribune.com
 
Bottom line of this whole ordeal is that there's no way in hell Zimmerman can get a fair trial now.
idk. I think I'd be able to fairly weigh the evidence.
idk about the jury pool there, but nationwide, most people are withholding judgment.
 
They were so closed and sealed that everyone knows about them. He's allowed to own a weapon because he's never been convicted of a felony. Why should he treated any differently than anyone else. Why does it seem one minute he was in trouble, and the next he was not? The TROs expired. The misdemeanor case was closed...he pled. What would you expect to happen?
I don’t know Maggie but like I said I am very inquisitive in nature since childhood. Most of the time I keep my curiosity to myself but once in a while I just let my thought runs loose in plain sight.

Like, in Zimmerman’s one incident in 2005 in which he was charged with assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence, which is a felony. He admitted to such charges himself in his application to the Citizens Police Academy.

In his account, he stated “I was arrested in July of 2005 for assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence. Both charges were immediately dropped to resisting arrest without violence and then dropped altogether.” George Zimmerman

This event occurred during an undercover sting operation by the ATF for underage drinking. The officer in question was in the process of arresting his friend for underage drinking and Zimmerman stepped in to intervene with assault on the officer.

I don’t know but I’ve heard cases of people being charged with resisting arrest and/or assaulting an officer, which in most cases were viewed as a very serious charge but very seldom have I encountered a case immediately dropped to lesser charge and then suddenly dropped altogether and the case file sealed. Now, we are talking about a felony charge of violence assault against a law enforcement officer while the officer was on duty arresting his underage friend. It appeared the case didn’t even go to trial and at that time Zimmerman was an adult. Though he was required to undergo some kind of diversion program but I still think he should be at least charged for contributing to the delinquency of a minor if not for interfering the duty of a law enforcement officer.

In his explanation on the application, Zimmerman stated that “He never told me he was an officer and assaulted me first.”
 
But, that was just another of those Zimmerman’s finger pointing absurdity excuse that we see the same in this case. Zimmerman was not the one being arrested so why would the officer tell him anything?

Apparently, when the officer pulled out the handcuffs to arrest the underage kid for drinking the officer surely had revealed himself to the kid and telling him the reason for the arrest. According to one source, Zimmerman jumped in and pushed the officer. To claim that the officer pushed him first when the officer was focusing on arresting the kid just doesn’t add up, Certainly not in the court when it comes down to your word against the officer’s word even when it’s not even this absurd.

Then in that same year he was also charged with domestic violence against his fiance. The case was also closed without further explanation. The question that kept bugging me is: Did Zimmerman have help from his father in all these or are these just luck and coincidence?

And now this Trayvon Martin case was about to undergo the same exact fate and following the same exact pattern: case closed, no explanation. Except this time the grieving parents weren’t just rolling over and let it happened to their son. When the public got hold of this matter, their outcry for justice compelled the Sanford law enforcement and the police chief to come out and claimed self-defense and lying about the shooter having a clean record.

With regards to him being allowed to own a gun, I know he wasn’t convicted. But, he had a felony charge of violence against a law enforcement office on top of resisting arrest and domestic violence that weren’t resolved but simply case closed without explanation and then sealed.

Also quite disturbing is that his application to the Citizens Police Academy was accepted with the note: “YOUR DISCLOSURE OF THE ARREST PLUS THE INCIDENT INVOLVED WAS ‘UNUSUAL’”.

But then, who knows, in the application Zimmerman also threw in this info: “My father is a retired Magistrate Judge for the Supreme Court of Virginia and my mother was a deputy clerk of court for over 20 years.”
 
Like I said, this is just my personal opinion about my suspicion on the daddy judge’s role in Zimmerman’s past arrest records that led up to this. You may not agree but it’s my opinion and I laid it all out for you with reasonable explanation whether you accept it or not.
 
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I don't know if this has been posted and I'm not about to look since I last posted, so here:

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - chicagotribune.com



lol
Yeah eh?
Well since the eye-witness says it was Zimmerman, I guess this guy's software just got shown to be very inaccurate.

lol

Wow! Honestly. Talk about grasping.
There is an eye-witness folks. Deal with it.




You know with all this racism stuff out there I want to join in. (Sarcasm.)
Obviously Hispanic males can achieve high pitched voices. (Sarcasm.)




 
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Common sense would tell you that if Zimmerman had swung first Martin would show signs of being hit. Especially considering Zimmermans size. He punches Martin, Martin would show signs of it.
In a fight, it doesn't matter who swung first, both sides are going to suffer punches, misses that hit the concrete pavement or simply abrasion from friction through struggling and rolling on the ground.
 
lol
Yeah eh?
Well since the eye-witness says it was Zimmerman, I guess this guy's software just got shown to be very inaccurate.
I forget if someone actually said that they knew or not who was screaming.
I know people heard the screaming, but did anyone know who was doing it?
 
lol
Yeah eh?
Well since the eye-witness says it was Zimmerman, I guess this guy's software just got shown to be very inaccurate.

lol

Wow! Honesltly. Talk about grasping.
There is an eye-witness folks. Deal with it.

You know with all this racism stuff out there I want to join in. (Sarcasm.)
Obviously Hispanic males can achieve high pitched voices. (Sarcasm.)
I'm just posting new information. Maybe the eyewitness was wrong. No need to be so defensive.
 
Why do you still continue to believe he said coon?

If you are LOOKING to find racism, you'll hear it as coon.

If you are just listening, you'll agree you can't tell what was said.

If a friend of Zimmerman's (who also happens to be black) said that it sounded like he said "goon", I'll take his word for it, He has heard Zimmerman talk before, not me.

On CNN they went over it several times and it sounds like coon. [Admittedly, I don't always trust CNN, but they seemed to be pretty thorough about this particular piece of the puzzle.]
 
Why do you still continue to believe he said coon?

If you are LOOKING to find racism, you'll hear it as coon.

If you are just listening, you'll agree you can't tell what was said.

If a friend of Zimmerman's (who also happens to be black) said that it sounded like he said "goon", I'll take his word for it, He has heard Zimmerman talk before, not me.
No, it sounds like coon. For someone who apparently is trying to be fair in all this, you've certainly come to a lot of seemingly immovable conclusions. I also don't understand why people keep referencing the black friend theory as if having black friends gives someone immunity from saying the word "coon" or being racist. I have my own ears, I don't need someone's friend to tell me what I hear just because he's black.
 
I forget if someone actually said that they knew or not who was screaming.
I know people heard the screaming, but did anyone know who was doing it?
But you know this has been presented multiple times already.

Although not specifically saying it was "Zimmerman", his statement leaves no other possibility that it was Zimmerman.


"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Trayvon Martin shot and killed in neighborhood altercation
 
No, it sounds like coon.
What you seem not to be ignoring is that there are others that analyzed it and determined that it is inconclusive.
Just because you hear it - 'want to hear it' - doesn't mean that is what was said.
 
On CNN they went over it several times and it sounds like coon. [Admittedly, I don't always trust CNN, but they seemed to be pretty thorough about this particular piece of the puzzle.]
And they showed it was inconclusive.
 
What you seem not to be ignoring is that there are others that analyzed it and determined that it is inconclusive.
Just because you hear it - 'want to hear it' - doesn't mean that is what was said.
Actually, I haven't ignored which is why I said, "It SOUNDS like coon," instead of, "He said coon."
 
I'm just posting new information. Maybe the eyewitness was wrong. No need to be so defensive.
You are presenting information that does not coincide with the known evidence.
There is nothing to say the eye-witness may be wrong or lying.
In actuality, his statement is corroborated by Zimmerman. Or If you prefer, he corroborates Zimmerman's.
 
What evidence do you have of it?

Any evidence either were "agitated"

Possible. Since that is what Zimmerman's statement says.



Its funny, when Zimmerman says things that people supporting Martin can use to help them, it is used. The rest is not believed. Convenient at best.

The very BEST lies are made up of mostly truth.

You apparently refuse to consider the girlfriends information at all.

The cops too, apparently.

Still haven't figured that one out.

That someone was on the phone with one of the parties at the time.

Evidently, the cops STILL wouldn't know about this if the father hadn't checked the records.

Do we know when and if the GF contacted the police.

This while element just sticks in my neck.
 
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