'With UN Bid, Arabs Once Again Try to Steal Israel's Heritage'[W: 26]

[spanky]

'With UN Bid, Arabs Once Again Try to Steal Israel's Heritage'

"The UN statehood bid is just another attempt by the Arabs to push us out of our land – and our history, for that matter – and the countries that support this are once again showing their anti-Semitism and hypocrisy.”

Once again the Zionists put forth the canard that their right to land is due to it being given to them by god, plus another swipe that if you oppose Zionism you are an antisemite.

Although I think UN Resolution 181 was ill conceived, it is what it is and Israel isn't going away. But like Pakistan, an eventual Pali state is going to be a reality and like Pakistan, I doubt it will lead to a lasting peace.

 

[Hicup]

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'With UN Bid, Arabs Once Again Try to Steal Israel's Heritage'



Once again the Zionists put forth the canard that their right to land is due to it being given to them by god, plus another swipe that if you oppose Zionism you are an antisemite.

Although I think UN Resolution 181 was ill conceived, it is what it is and Israel isn't going away. But like Pakistan, an eventual Pali state is going to be a reality and like Pakistan, I doubt it will lead to a lasting peace.

Hehe.. Anyone that begins their rant with Zionists, needs to be ignored. One small notation before I leave you to your senses. Claiming something comes from God, whether a right or a right to land isn't that far fetched an idea is it?


Tim-

 

[X Factor]

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How about a link to the quote in the OP?

 

[rocket88]

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Hehe.. Anyone that begins their rant with Zionists, needs to be ignored. One small notation before I leave you to your senses. Claiming something comes from God, whether a right or a right to land isn't that far fetched an idea is it?


Tim-

I'd like to see a link so I can read more of it. The OP seems to be a quote of something.

I do think it's a dumb idea that God is some kind of Supernatural real estate agent though. No matter who's claiming it. Just like when Tebow prays in the endzone. Like God cares who wins the Jets game....

 

[Hicup]

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I'd like to see a link so I can read more of it. The OP seems to be a quote of something.

I do think it's a dumb idea that God is some kind of Supernatural real estate agent though. No matter who's claiming it. Just like when Tebow prays in the endzone. Like God cares who wins the Jets game....

As long as the Jets lose everytime I'm ok with divine intervention.

My point was that our rights as humans are given to us by God. I know it's true because it's in our declaration of Independance so it must be true. [wink]

Taking God out of the equation, the truth is that land and everything else worth having belongs to the dudes with the biggest peckers. Always been that way, and I don't see it changing anytime quick.

Tim-

 

[lizzie]

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Once again the Zionists put forth the canard that their right to land is due to it being given to them by god, plus another swipe that if you oppose Zionism you are an antisemite.

Ummmm, no. It is their land because it was given to them by the UN, and the reason they are wise to oppose most of the offers made for peaceful co-existence with the Palestinians, is because the deals being put on the table, are not in Israel's best interest, and history pretty much indicates that the Palestinians and other surrounding nations, have no intention of peacefully co-existing.

 

[Muddy Creek]

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'With UN Bid, Arabs Once Again Try to Steal Israel's Heritage'



Once again the Zionists put forth the canard that their right to land is due to it being given to them by god, plus another swipe that if you oppose Zionism you are an antisemite.

Although I think UN Resolution 181 was ill conceived, it is what it is and Israel isn't going away. But like Pakistan, an eventual Pali state is going to be a reality and like Pakistan, I doubt it will lead to a lasting peace.

Israel was GIVEN land and they have encroached in Palestine and Lebanon for years, killing civilians and stealing land. How would you feel if Canada and Mexico did the same to us and China and Russia just supplied them both with weapons and turned a deaf ear to our murdered children and women?

 

[Muddy Creek]

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Ummmm, no. It is their land because it was given to them by the UN, and the reason they are wise to oppose most of the offers made for peaceful co-existence with the Palestinians, is because the deals being put on the table, are not in Israel's best interest, and history pretty much indicates that the Palestinians and other surrounding nations, have no intention of peacefully co-existing.

Israel is the one who has refused to honor the land divisions and have STOLEN land from other nations around them. You really need to read up on it a bit more.

On the US-Israeli Invasion of Lebanon, by Noam Chomsky

 

[rocket88]

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As long as the Jets lose everytime I'm ok with divine intervention.

Me too. Too bad for the Jets, they don't get to beat the stuffing out of Chan Gailey again until the last week. God, if you care about football, let Gailey get fired.

My point was that our rights as humans are given to us by God. I know it's true because it's in our declaration of Independance so it must be true. [wink]

Taking God out of the equation, the truth is that land and everything else worth having belongs to the dudes with the biggest peckers. Always been that way, and I don't see it changing anytime quick.

True enough. Of course that's why Israel is still there. Big enough peckers to hold on. Good for them, they have as much right to be there as anybody else does.

 

[rocket88]

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Ummmm, no. It is their land because it was given to them by the UN, and the reason they are wise to oppose most of the offers made for peaceful co-existence with the Palestinians, is because the deals being put on the table, are not in Israel's best interest, and history pretty much indicates that the Palestinians and other surrounding nations, have no intention of peacefully co-existing.

I've often thought that acknowledging Palestinian independence is in Israel's best interest. "Fine, you're independent. Therefore the rockets must be an act of war."

 

[Gardener]

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'With UN Bid, Arabs Once Again Try to Steal Israel's Heritage'



Once again the Zionists put forth the canard that their right to land is due to it being given to them by god, plus another swipe that if you oppose Zionism you are an antisemite.

Although I think UN Resolution 181 was ill conceived, it is what it is and Israel isn't going away. But like Pakistan, an eventual Pali state is going to be a reality and like Pakistan, I doubt it will lead to a lasting peace.

Or you could try telling the truth, instead. There was absolutely no mention of God in that statement.

This is your second thread about Pally statehood in a short time, and you lied in your other one as well.

 

[Gardener]

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I've often thought that acknowledging Palestinian independence is in Israel's best interest. "Fine, you're independent. Therefore the rockets must be an act of war."

That's my position, too.

I favor a three state solution rather than two, though, since that would allow the West Bank and Gaza to be treated independently of one another.

 

[spanky]

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ArabsTry to Steal Israel's Heritage Again: 29 Nov. - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News

 

[lizzie]

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Israel is the one who has refused to honor the land divisions and have STOLEN land from other nations around them. You really need to read up on it a bit more.

On the US-Israeli Invasion of Lebanon, by Noam Chomsky

Sorry, but Chomsky (although I agree with him on some philosophical issues) is not a source I would take seriously on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

 

[Ray410]

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Israel was GIVEN land and they have encroached in Palestine and Lebanon for years, killing civilians and stealing land. How would you feel if Canada and Mexico did the same to us and China and Russia just supplied them both with weapons and turned a deaf ear to our murdered children and women?

This sounds very descriptive of the Obama immigrants in the United States since 1990. Recall "Fast and Furious" in which Obama did supply them with weapons.

 

[donsutherland1]

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Jewish people have historic legitimacy in the Middle East. From the January 14, 2006 edition of The New York Times:

A study by Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona showed five years ago that the men in many Jewish communities around the world bore Y chromosomes that were Middle Eastern in origin. This finding is widely accepted by geneticists, but there is less consensus about the women's origins.

 

[SMTA]

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Jewish people have historic legitimacy in the Middle East. From the January 14, 2006 edition of The New York Times:

A study by Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona showed five years ago that the men in many Jewish communities around the world bore Y chromosomes that were Middle Eastern in origin. This finding is widely accepted by geneticists, but there is less consensus about the women's origins.

Interesting - I was unaware that longevity in a region resulted in land ownership rights.....

I suppose that my Welsh/Irish historical legitimacy guarantees me property in Wales and Ireland.

I need to choose what parts that I want. I also need to call my cousins, and let them know about our land windfall.

Hot damn!

 

[Klown]

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'With UN Bid, Arabs Once Again Try to Steal Israel's Heritage'



Once again the Zionists put forth the canard that their right to land is due to it being given to them by god, plus another swipe that if you oppose Zionism you are an antisemite.

Although I think UN Resolution 181 was ill conceived, it is what it is and Israel isn't going away. But like Pakistan, an eventual Pali state is going to be a reality and like Pakistan, I doubt it will lead to a lasting peace.

Non member observer status at the UN does give the Palestinians the chane to join any international organization, which includes the international criminal court.

I noticed that the UK offered the Palestinians their YES vote if they agreed to not pursue charges at the ICC against Israeli war criminals.

The UK decided to abstain from the vote.

Only 9 nations voted NO out of a total of 194.

USA
Israel
Canada
Czech Republic
And 5 small pacific island nations like Nauru

A pathetic list of nations going totally against world opinion on this issue

 

[Klown]

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Jewish people have historic legitimacy in the Middle East. From the January 14, 2006 edition of The New York Times:

A study by Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona showed five years ago that the men in many Jewish communities around the world bore Y chromosomes that were Middle Eastern in origin. This finding is widely accepted by geneticists, but there is less consensus about the women's origins.

Actually thats incorrect.

After the human genome was fully decoded, geneticists were unable to find specific gene markers for what we call race

In other words there are no race genes. Race is a social political construct.

In any case, about 92% of Israelis are of Khazarian origin.

Israel has the second highest rate of skin cancer in the world, next to Australia. Both countries have imported populations that are very sensitive to the strong solar conditions there. Their skin and melanonin content is not suited to these regions.

 

[spanky]

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Jewish people have historic legitimacy in the Middle East. From the January 14, 2006 edition of The New York Times:

A study by Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona showed five years ago that the men in many Jewish communities around the world bore Y chromosomes that were Middle Eastern in origin. This finding is widely accepted by geneticists, but there is less consensus about the women's origins.

When are we going to give back the US to native Americans?

 

[donsutherland1]

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Actually thats incorrect.

After the human genome was fully decoded, geneticists were unable to find specific gene markers for what we call race

In other words there are no race genes. Race is a social political construct.

The article does not talk about race. The Jewish people is not a racial classification. The research found that a Y-chromosone found among many Jewish men (but not exclusive to them) had origins in the Mideast.

In any case, about 92% of Israelis are of Khazarian origin.

That's an urban myth. From the ADL's website:

Taking hold in this country at a time when anti-Semitism was as well, British Israelism increasingly advanced the idea - common in anti-Semitic circles in the early twentieth century - that most Jews were not really descendants of ancient Israelites, but were instead descended from an Asiatic people known as the Khazars, who settled near the Black Sea during the Middle Ages. European (Ashkenazic) Jews were thus "false" Israelites who further obscured the fact that it was really white Europeans who were the "true" Israelites.

Christian Identity

 

[donsutherland1]

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When are we going to give back the US to native Americans?

The point is that one does not need to invoke the Bible to demonstrate that Jewish people have historic legitimacy in the Mideast. Into the early 20th century when Jewish immigration began, first under the Ottoman Empire and then under the British Empire, there had always been a native Jewish population in the region.

After World War II, the British handed the issue of how to bring the region independence to the United Nations. At that time, there were two distinct peoples living in the area. Their positions were irreconcilable. Hence, the only way that each people's right of self-determination could be respected was through a partition plan that granted each people its own state. The maximum demands of neither were met, but the core need allowing each an expression of self-determination was achieved. The Arab side made an historic blunder in rejecting a two-state solution and the region has continued to suffer the consequences of that terrible decision to this day.

 

[donsutherland1]

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Interesting - I was unaware that longevity in a region resulted in land ownership rights.....

I suppose that my Welsh/Irish historical legitimacy guarantees me property in Wales and Ireland.

I need to choose what parts that I want. I also need to call my cousins, and let them know about our land windfall.

Hot damn!

Historical legitimacy is a separate matter from land ownership. Prior to the UN's partition plan, the territory was British. There was neither a sovereign Palestinian state nor a Jewish state. The British asked the UN to bring the area to independence and the partition plan was the best approach feasible given the irreconcilable differences among the region's two peoples.

 

[spanky]

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Historical legitimacy is a separate matter from land ownership. Prior to the UN's partition plan, the territory was British. There was neither a sovereign Palestinian state nor a Jewish state. The British asked the UN to bring the area to independence and the partition plan was the best approach feasible given the irreconcilable differences among the region's two peoples.

There is no such thing as "historical legitimacy", which is a code word for Zionism. The Jews have no more historical legitimacy then the non Jews who existed in the region long before the Jews arrived and lived there for the 2000 years since the last Jewish state existed.

Native Americans have more of a claim to the US then the Jews do to Israel.

That being said, I have no problem with the Jews establishing their own country, as long as they can keep it and not depend on my paycheck to do so.

I don't have a dog in the fight but due to American Christian religious concerns, apparently I am forced to.

 

[Jonsa]

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Historic legitimacy is not longer relevant.

It is contemporary legitimacy that is. And nobody can say the Israel does not exist as a sovereign nation today. All the back and forth, the stupid end to colonialism plan by the brits, the ultimately pointless hand wringing in the UN are not relevant. The vote today tries to give legitimacy to a place that does not have sovereignty - a very minor oversight by an organization that is founded on that very concept.

Israel is stealing land. Likud is a zionist party who believes that there can be no palestinian state east of the Jordan, in other words the WB should be part of Israel. they conveniently don't say what they would do with a couple million palestinian arabs, but they sure as hell don't want them as citizens.

Unfortunately, Israel could negotiated with the PLO/Fatah/PA, for peace, but Hamas in Gaza won't and they certainly wouldn't honor any deal that Israel cut with the "other side" of their civil war.

The clustermuck is still a clustermuck and is going to continue to be one until the Palestinians get their collective act together. How else can they bargain in trust and good faith?