I know maybe (and maybe not) other countries would leave if England does. Maybe the EU would become smaller. But will it survive at all, or will it cease to exist eventually? Although of course not right away.
I know maybe (and maybe not) other countries would leave if England does. Maybe the EU would become smaller. But will it survive at all, or will it cease to exist eventually? Although of course not right away.
It still has Germany and France. They're not going to lose many countries while they have Germany and France.
It will survive, as you say some countries may also leave but firstly the EU is also a trade zone which is the biggest trade zone in the world and there's a huge economic reason to keep that going and then secondly those remaining in the EU may start to recognise that all was not well in the treaties and structure which were being created and force them to make the structures more accountable.
The EU propaganda in these two countries is no longer working its magic as well as it was and forces have formed that want to roll back the EU to a manageable level without the political interference it has reached for.
I don't think the institutions and structure of the EU allow for reform Jog. There is a built in ratchet: 'More Europe' can come about, but the machine has no reverse gear.
Something similar was the case in the Soviet Union. Gorbatchov started off thinking he could reform the state and the Communist system. It proved impossible and the tottering structure collapsed.
~ Btw neither nation can simply 'declare' independence. A vote in Parliament would be required.
If it had remained a trade area, it would not be in the trouble it now is.
There is a minority sentiment for it in Wales, not minimal. Just wait until their grants and subsidies get cut and the Tories funnel all their putative savings into their southeastern and rural heartlands. It would take some time, but 10 years isn't optimistic.I think it very unlikely that Scotland would be independent within 5 years. And certain that Wales would not within 10 - or 100 - there is minimal sentiment in Wales for leaving the UK.
They hold a referendum, then parliament votes. Even a Tory dominated Commons would not vote to ignore a referendum.Btw neither nation can simply 'declare' independence. A vote in Parliament would be required.
The EU would survive.Scotland would declare independence within 5 years. Wales within 10. Northern Ireland merely awaits the demographic shift that places the catholic population in the majority; at current rates of change that will have occurred by the 2021 census. Let's be clear, the EU is not dealing with a UK problem, but with an English problem.The UK would not.
Maybe so but England won't be anything like Serbia.
I don't think the institutions and structure of the EU allow for reform Jog. There is a built in ratchet: 'More Europe' can come about, but the machine has no reverse gear.
Something similar was the case in the Soviet Union. Gorbatchov started off thinking he could reform the state and the Communist system. It proved impossible and the tottering structure collapsed.
Maybe so but England won't be anything like Serbia.
If the UK votes for Brexit the only way that it will ever rejoin the EU is with the approval of all of the members of the EU.
The EU would survive. The UK would not. Scotland would declare independence within 5 years. Wales within 10. Northern Ireland merely awaits the demographic shift that places the catholic population in the majority; at current rates of change that will have occurred by the 2021 census. Let's be clear, the EU is not dealing with a UK problem, but with an English problem.
All possibly true except that the problem the EU has to deal with independent of the outcome of the UK referendum is that all across the continent the ;EU has lost legitimacy and with it so have the traditional political forces that caused the undue hardship to the populations willfully.
I know maybe (and maybe not) other countries would leave if England does. Maybe the EU would become smaller. But will it survive at all, or will it cease to exist eventually? Although of course not right away.
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