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Why is Nothing Done About Illegal Immigration?

Normally a student doesn't enroll themselves. Where do you see it saying that they are allowed to ask children as to thier immigration status? The provision that you outline specifically states that they are to determine thier immigration status as the student is being enrolled. Which means instead of a school requireing just a birth certificate and immunization shots from the parents they will now require an SS number or a greencard.

Your link here is using false propaganda.
Requiring schools to compile "certain data" is up to interpretation. Obviously, it would entail more than just new students. And hey, forget the law for a moment. Don't you support finding illegal aliens in schools so you can throw them out? If I were a Latino student in Alabama at this time, I would be afraid to go to school too. It's no wonder thousands have failed to show up to class.

BTW, how is it false propaganda?
 
Requiring schools to compile "certain data" is up to interpretation.

Yeah it could be up to interpretation. But no more so than any other law which requires an agency to "compile certain data". Unless you can prove that they would use that to question students then you still have nothing. And being as there are federal laws which prohibit the questioning of underaged children unless there is a neutral child's advocate or parent with them that's going to be fairly hard to do. And doing this would be cost prohibitive. Much easier to compile existing data than to hire a neutral child advocate or get parents to come in.

Obviously, it would entail more than just new students.

It would entail anyone being enrolled so yes.

And hey, forget the law for a moment. Don't you support finding illegal aliens in schools so you can throw them out? If I were a Latino student in Alabama at this time, I would be afraid to go to school too. It's no wonder thousands have failed to show up to class.

Yes I do support getting illegal's out of our schools.

BTW, how is it false propaganda?

Because from what you posted of the law and outlined there is nothing which states or even comes close to stating, and I quote ... "Require K-12 school officials to question students about their immigration status and that of their parents." So it is a lie (ie false) and it is being said to enflame and make people reading that page into thinking that is what the law says. (ie propaganda)
 
SPLC Ready for Long Legal Battle Over Alabama

The provision has been temporarily blocked. Where did you see "require parent/guardian to provide information?"

"If, upon review of the student's birth
16 certificate, it is determined that the student was born
17 outside the jurisdiction of the United States or is the child
18 of an alien not lawfully present in the United States, or
19 where such certificate is not available for any reason, the
20 parent, guardian, or legal custodian of the student shall
21 notify the school within 30 days of the date of the student's
22 enrollment of the actual citizenship or immigration status of
23 the student under federal law.
24
http://media.al.com/bn/other/Alabama%20Immigration%20Law%202011.pdf

where do you see interigate the student?
 
Nothing should be done about illegal immigration given that illegals pay more taxes then they get in benefits meaning that Americans are free loading off of illegals. However Americans in their hate of brown people and their lust to blame someone else for them being unable to get a job want to spending hundreds of billions kicking people out of the country who pay for their welfare
 
Nothing should be done about illegal immigration given that illegals pay more taxes then they get in benefits meaning that Americans are free loading off of illegals. However Americans in their hate of brown people and their lust to blame someone else for them being unable to get a job want to spending hundreds of billions kicking people out of the country who pay for their welfare

Nice opinion rant, but not much for debate. It is very telling that you did not back up any of your statements with supporting links. It also shows how little you understand the issue of illegal immigration. If you did some research you would find your statements are not correct. Other immigration threads have shown the economic drain on local and State tax dollars, little impact on cost of food and services, and medical costs associated with illegal immigrants.

and thanks for playing the race card so early in your 13 posts. Are you a bigot?
 
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Nice opinion rant, but not much for debate. It is very telling that you did not back up any of your statements with supporting links. It also shows how little you understand the issue of illegal immigration. If you did some research you would find your statements are not correct. Other immigration threads have shown the economic drain on local and State tax dollars, little impact on cost of food and services, and medical costs associated with illegal immigrants.

and thanks for playing the race card so early in your 13 posts. Are you a bigot?
If you have a better explanation for why people want to spend hundreds of billions of dollar kicking people out of the country that they are currently free loading off then please post it. I mean what besides racism would cause Americans like yourself to want to make the economy worse?
 
If you have a better explanation for why people want to spend hundreds of billions of dollar kicking people out of the country that they are currently free loading off then please post it. I mean what besides racism would cause Americans like yourself to want to make the economy worse?
I am not going to do the research for you. You post statements without backing them up, just like you do on the other thread.
But please take a look at this link, even npr states illegal immigration has a very small impact on our economy.

Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy : NPR

What reason do you have for supporting illegal aliens in our country?
You played the race card and cannot back up your statements.
 
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If you have a better explanation for why people want to spend hundreds of billions of dollar kicking people out of the country that they are currently free loading off then please post it. I mean what besides racism would cause Americans like yourself to want to make the economy worse?

What does race have to do with illegal immigration? Last I knew illegal aliens come from all different contries with lot of different races. White, brown, black, yellow, red, pink, purple...it matters not to me. If you're here illegally then you are the target of my angst.

I've given plenty of links with evidence that shows that you are wrong. If you have something to counter them or that backs up your statements then by all means do so. Otherwise you're not worth the time.
 
I am not going to do the research for you. You post statements without backing them up, just like you do on the other thread.
But please take a look at this link, even npr states illegal immigration has a very small impact on our economy.

Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy : NPR

What reason do you have for supporting illegal aliens in our country?
You played the race card and cannot back up your statements.
Well I don’t really support illegal immigrant because people like you mouch off of them I really just wish people like you could get decent jobs or get an education but that is to much toi ask because you free load off other people
 
What does race have to do with illegal immigration? Last I knew illegal aliens come from all different contries with lot of different races. White, brown, black, yellow, red, pink, purple...it matters not to me. If you're here illegally then you are the target of my angst.

I've given plenty of links with evidence that shows that you are wrong. If you have something to counter them or that backs up your statements then by all means do so. Otherwise you're not worth the time.
Well you see most immigrant are Hispanic and a lot of AMericnas hate brown people so they blame immigrant who work harder then them for their uinabiltiy ot provide for their families
 
Well you see most immigrant are Hispanic and a lot of AMericnas hate brown people so they blame immigrant who work harder then them for their uinabiltiy ot provide for their families

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

God this is funny!

Or wait...are you serious? Perhaps you should prove your claim. Since you say most you'll have to show something that has at least 51%+ in those statistics. Not that you'll be able to of course...can't prove a negative.
 
Well I don’t really support illegal immigrant because people like you mouch off of them I really just wish people like you could get decent jobs or get an education but that is to much toi ask because you free load off other people

Wish the mods would do something about you.
One, you don't know me. If you did you would know how incorrect your statement are.
Two. If you cannot debate or add to the discussion, please feel free to stop posting.
Three. Do you plan to answers questions or continue to throw insults.
think it is time for you to go on the ingore list. It is simple to see you have nothing to offer.
Got to ask though, how old are you?
 
Well you see most immigrant are Hispanic and a lot of AMericnas hate brown people so they blame immigrant who work harder then them for their uinabiltiy ot provide for their families

Is this comic relief?

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Those were called serfs not slaves. They were one step above slaves.

No actually the slave "slaves" could buy their freedom by paying the state a sum of money, it was one of them laws passed by them evil Yankees. So, yeah you're right they weren't really slaves, they was serfs.

Why do you want Americans to earn, ahem, "serf" wages?
 
The Alabama law is horrendous. It requires school officials to interrogate K-12 students about their legal status and the status of their parents. Thousands of children of Latino descent have suddenly vanished from the classroom and (as has been pointed out by other posters), crops are being left to rot in the fields. The people of Alabama do not realize that their own food prices will soon skyrocket as a direct result of this bill.


Examples of 19th Century Pro-Slavery Arguments at the Lyceum

The Nineteenth Century American "Conversation" on Slavery

Arguments in Support of Slavery



An Excerpt from "Slavery in the Light of Social Ethics," by Chancelor Harper, printed in Cotton is King, and Pro-Slavry Arguments: Comprising the Writings of Hammond, Harper, Christy, Stringfellow, Hodge, Bledsoe, and Cartwright, on This Important Subject, E.N. Elliott, ed. (Augusta, GA: Pritchard, Abbott & Loomis, 1860):



In one thing I concur with the abolitionists; that if emancipation is to be brought about, it is better that it should be immediate and total. But let us suppose it to be brought about in any manner, and then inquire what would be the effects.

The first and most obvious effect, would be to put an end to the cultivation of our great Southern staple. And this would be equally the result, if we suppose the emancipated negroes to be in no way distinguished from the free labourers of other countries, and that their labor would b equally effective. . . Imagine an extensive rice or cotton plantation cultivated by free laborers, who might perhaps strike for an increase of wages, at a season when the neglect of a few days would insure the destruction of the whole crop. Even if it were possible to procure laborers at all, what planter would venture to carry on his operations under such circumstances? I need hardly say that these staples cannot be produced to any extent where the proprietor of the soil cultivates it with his own hands. He can do little more than produce the necessary food for himself and his family.

And what would be the effect of putting an end to the cultivation of these staples, and thus annihilating, at a blow, two-thirds or three-fourths of our foreign commerce? Can any sane mind contemplate such a result without terror? I speak not of the utter poverty and misery to which we ourselves would be reduced, and the desolation which would overspread our own portion of the country. Our slavery has not only given existence to millions of slaves within our own territories, it has given the means of subsistence, and therefore, existence, to millions of freemen in our confederate States; enabling them to send forth their swarms to overspread the plains and forests of the West, and appear as the harbingers of civilization. The products of the industry of those States are in general similar to those of the civilized world, and are little demanded in their markets. By exchanging them for ours, which are everywhere sought for, the people of these States are enabled to acquire all the products of art and industry, all that contributes to convenience or luxury, or gratifies the taste of the intellect, which the rest of the world can supply. Not only on our own continent, but on the other, it has given existence to hundreds of thousands, and the means of comfortable subsistence to millions. A distinguished citizen of our own Stat, than whom none can be better qualified to form an opinion, has lately stated that our great staple, cotton, has contributed more than anything else of later times to the progress of civilization. By enabling the poor to obtain cheap and becoming clothing, it has inspired a taste for comfort, the first stimulus to civilization. Does not self-defense, then, demand of us steadily to resist the abrogation of that which is productive of so much good? It is more than self-defense. IT is to defend millions of human beings, who are far removed from us, from the intensest suffering, if not from being struck out of existence. It is the defense of human civilization.

*buuuuuuuuuuuuurp*



Did you know that Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams and James Madison used to fight with Islam?

Excerpt of 1790 Benjamin Franklin satire on slave trade:

“Allah Bismillah,&c.; God is great, and Mahomet is his Prophet.”

“Have these Erika considered the Consequences of granting their Petition? If we cease our Cruises against the Christians, how shall we be furnished with the Commodities their Countries produce, and which are so necessary for us? If we forbear to make Slaves of their People, who in this hot Climate are to cultivate our Lands? Who are to perform the common Labours of our City, and in our Families? Must we not then be our own Slaves? And is there not more Compassion and more Favour due to us as Mussulmen, than to these Christian Dogs? We have now about 50,000 Slaves in and near Algiers. This Number, if not kept up by fresh Supplies, will soon diminish, and be gradually annihilated. If we then cease taking and plundering the Infidel Ships, and making Slaves of the Seamen and Passengers, our Lands will become of no Value for want of Cultivation; the Rents of Houses in the City will sink one half; and the Revenues of Government arising from its Share of Prizes be totally destroy’d! And for what? To gratify the whims of a whimsical Sect, who would have us, not only forbear making more Slaves, but even to manumit those we have."

Gosh this sounds so familiar.

Slavery is first and foremost Cheap Foreign Labor; nothing more, nothing less. Whether the Cheap Foreign Labor is voluntary or involuntary is irrelevant to the American freeman laborer; the effect on your job is exactly the same. Why do you think a war was fought over it? A primarily racist society wanted to free blacks? HAHAHAHAHAhahaaaaaaaaaaaaa no.

Now, do you want to repeat the same mistakes?
 
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Examples of 19th Century Pro-Slavery Arguments at the Lyceum

The Nineteenth Century American "Conversation" on Slavery

Arguments in Support of Slavery



An Excerpt from "Slavery in the Light of Social Ethics," by Chancelor Harper, printed in Cotton is King, and Pro-Slavry Arguments: Comprising the Writings of Hammond, Harper, Christy, Stringfellow, Hodge, Bledsoe, and Cartwright, on This Important Subject, E.N. Elliott, ed. (Augusta, GA: Pritchard, Abbott & Loomis, 1860):





*buuuuuuuuuuuuurp*



Did you know that Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams and James Madison used to fight with Islam?

Excerpt of 1790 Benjamin Franklin satire on slave trade:



Gosh this sounds so familiar.

Slavery is first and foremost Cheap Foreign Labor; nothing more, nothing less. Whether the Cheap Foreign Labor is voluntary or involuntary is irrelevant to the American freeman laborer; the effect on your job is exactly the same. Why do you think a war was fought over it? A primarily racist society wanted to free blacks? HAHAHAHAHAhahaaaaaaaaaaaaa no.

Now, do you want to repeat the same mistakes?

Again, it cannot be slave labor if there is a choice to accept that wage or not. It is an illegals choice to come to the US and make what they do. No one forces them to have that wage or work for that employer. All that you have is hyperbole and exaggeration. As shown earlier 75% of the working illegals in this country make better than or the same as any other person that is here legally. Whether you want to admit it or not those illegals have chosen to get paid what they do. Slavery is the anti-thesis of choice.
 
No actually the slave "slaves" could buy their freedom by paying the state a sum of money, it was one of them laws passed by them evil Yankees. So, yeah you're right they weren't really slaves, they was serfs.

Why do you want Americans to earn, ahem, "serf" wages?

Illegals are NOT American's. Anyone that is in the US legally can at the minimum get paid minimum wage. Now if you consider American's working for minimum wage to be "serf" wages then by all means start a thread about it. But don't even attempt to equate illegals with being American.That is an insult to not only born Americans but also to every single one of those people that worked thier butts off to become an American through the legalization process.

And if it was up to me illegal aliens would not be making ANY wages IN the US. They would be back home in thier country of origin making whatever wages thier country considers fair and proper.
 
That is nationalistic, xenophobic, inflammatory rhetoric. Of course, you'll have to find them in order to deport them. You think the government will find and deport them before they start committing to a life of crime? Naturally, the crimes will come before the deportation and in many cases it is wise to imprison the illegal criminals rather than to deport them (deporting them allows them to roam freely in their own country- giving them the possibility to return).

Must have missed this.

Nationalistic? Yep. I take pride in my country. Using it as if it was a dirty word is stupid imo.

Xenophobic? Not even close. In order to be xenophobic I would have to support entirely closed borders and not want ANYONE into the US. I however fully support LEGAL immigration and even believe that it would be better if we streamlined the process to make it easier for someone to become an American citizen.

Inflammatory? Perhaps. To those that support illegal aliens and to the illegal aliens themselves. In which case I really don't care.

And I wasn't talking about just deportation measures. I was also talking about making it darn near impossible for an illegal to live in the US. Which would be far more cost effective and just plain more effective to do than trying to round them all up and deporting them. Doing so would in effect be "sending them back home".
 
Illegals are NOT American's. Anyone that is in the US legally can at the minimum get paid minimum wage. Now if you consider American's working for minimum wage to be "serf" wages then by all means start a thread about it. But don't even attempt to equate illegals with being American.That is an insult to not only born Americans but also to every single one of those people that worked thier butts off to become an American through the legalization process.

And if it was up to me illegal aliens would not be making ANY wages IN the US. They would be back home in thier country of origin making whatever wages thier country considers fair and proper.

Illegals, earning far less then minimum wage, drag the wages down of Americans to you guessed it, less than minimum wage; to the point where nobody hires Americans at less than minimum wage. You know there's a Labor Market out there.
 
Again, it cannot be slave labor if there is a choice to accept that wage or not. It is an illegals choice to come to the US and make what they do. No one forces them to have that wage or work for that employer. All that you have is hyperbole and exaggeration. As shown earlier 75% of the working illegals in this country make better than or the same as any other person that is here legally. Whether you want to admit it or not those illegals have chosen to get paid what they do. Slavery is the anti-thesis of choice.

It doesn't matter if it is involuntary slavery, or voluntary "serf" wages. They both EQUALLY drag the wages down of the American Citizen until Americans themselves are earning slave/serf wages. Why would you want that?
 
Illegals, earning far less then minimum wage, drag the wages down of Americans to you guessed it, less than minimum wage; to the point where nobody hires Americans at less than minimum wage. You know there's a Labor Market out there.

It doesn't matter if it is involuntary slavery, or voluntary "serf" wages. They both EQUALLY drag the wages down of the American Citizen until Americans themselves are earning slave/serf wages. Why would you want that?

Wow...you do realize that it is a federal law that employer's MUST pay at least minimum wage. They cannot legally pay less than that. So I really don't know how you can say that American Citizens get paid less than minimum wage. That is even posted in every single break room or somewhere on the premise of the company...and yes that is by law also. Anyone with even slight work experiance in the US would know this.

And yes...personal choice DOES matter.

PS: I don't want illegals here period. So as such even if your claim was true getting rid of them would cure that.
 
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Wow...you do realize that it is a federal law that employer's MUST pay at least minimum wage. They cannot legally pay less than that. So I really don't know how you can say that American Citizens get paid less than minimum wage. That is even posted in every single break room or somewhere on the premise of the company...and yes that is by law also. Anyone with even slight work experiance in the US would know this.

And yes...personal choice DOES matter.

PS: I don't want illegals here period. So as such even if your claim was true getting rid of them would cure that.


A lot of jobs illegals do are not just minimum wage.Construction for example is most certainly not minimum wage job.And the wages for these jobs get dragged down.
 
A lot of jobs illegals do are not just minimum wage.Construction for example is most certainly not minimum wage job.And the wages for these jobs get dragged down.

I agree...but that is not what he was talking about. He said, and I quote directly, "less than minimum wage".

But in either case the best way to cure it is to get illegals out of this country.
 
Wow...you do realize that it is a federal law that employer's MUST pay at least minimum wage.

Wow...you do realize there are forces at work that want to remove the minimum wage. The same forces which want to remove the minimum wage are the same forces which reduce wages by exploiting cheap foreign labor through the mechanics of Free Trade or Open Borders.
 
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