Why is Nothing Done About Illegal Immigration?

[the-other-lib]

"For at least 5 years the illegal immigration debate has been on the forefront of American politics and the narrative presented by popular media is that of a nation divided on the question of border control. Routinely organizations that support border control, like the minutemen, are accused of racism and derided for their focus on the Mexican border instead of other sources of illegal immigration.

Despite the personal attacks and biased media coverage the American people have consistently responded to polls in favor of border control strong enough to “halt the flow of illegal immigrants into the US.” In fact a recent Gallup poll pegged the number of U.S. citizens who think border control is important at 94% with 53% saying it was extremely important! This is the highest number this poll has seen since 2006 when a whopping 96% of Americans said border control is important, 43% of which saying it was extremely important."

So why no real push for immigration reform?

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[StillBallin75]

"For at least 5 years the illegal immigration debate has been on the forefront of American politics and the narrative presented by popular media is that of a nation divided on the question of border control. Routinely organizations that support border control, like the minutemen, are accused of racism and derided for their focus on the Mexican border instead of other sources of illegal immigration.

Despite the personal attacks and biased media coverage the American people have consistently responded to polls in favor of border control strong enough to “halt the flow of illegal immigrants into the US.” In fact a recent Gallup poll pegged the number of U.S. citizens who think border control is important at 94% with 53% saying it was extremely important! This is the highest number this poll has seen since 2006 when a whopping 96% of Americans said border control is important, 43% of which saying it was extremely important."

So why no real push for immigration reform?

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Simply put, there's too much political capital and energy on the part of politicians being poured into other debates right now (debt limit, budget, economy) to worry about immigration reform.

 

[BayToBay]

"For at least 5 years the illegal immigration debate has been on the forefront of American politics and the narrative presented by popular media is that of a nation divided on the question of border control. Routinely organizations that support border control, like the minutemen, are accused of racism and derided for their focus on the Mexican border instead of other sources of illegal immigration.

Despite the personal attacks and biased media coverage the American people have consistently responded to polls in favor of border control strong enough to “halt the flow of illegal immigrants into the US.” In fact a recent Gallup poll pegged the number of U.S. citizens who think border control is important at 94% with 53% saying it was extremely important! This is the highest number this poll has seen since 2006 when a whopping 96% of Americans said border control is important, 43% of which saying it was extremely important."

So why no real push for immigration reform?

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There was an attempt to reform immigration but the right wingers derailed it because it was not bat**** crazy enough for them.

 

[Swizz]

Politics.

I think Obama sincerely wants to do something about it but we're too focused on the deficit and getting too close to the election to really focus on anything comprehensive, since it would be very difficult (and probably timely) to put together a bipartisan, comprehensive immigration bill. Maybe if he gets another term it'll be a priority. Outside of more border security, it doesn't seem to be a matter of interest for the GOP, at least for now.

 

[the-other-lib]

I think Obama sincerely wants to do something about it...

Ok, you can believe that but what about 5-6 years ago when Republicans had both houses of Congress and the Presidency?

Even now... I mean come on, 95% of people want the border secure and we can't find the political will to do it but instead we're bombing Libya and passing healthcare which are much more controversial!

 

[jamesrage]

So why no real push for immigration reform?

Too many people on both sides of isle in DC tossing the salad of illegals and the traitors who hire illegals.

The cause of why there are so many scumbags in office tossing the salad of illegals is because a lot of dumb asses vote for people based on party regardless of how politically opposite the candidate is from them and put their party above their own political views and interests. They will even ignore a candidate who shares most of the views they have because they think that candidate will not stand a chance at winning. This is how a RINO like John McCain can keep getting elected. Even though his tongue in deep in the asses of illegals tossing their salad.

They only way you are going to get politicians who oppose illegal immigration and will actually do something about it is to vote for politicians who oppose illegal immigration and will do something to curb or stop it. You don't do this by voting for scum who toss the salad of illegals just because they are in your party or claim to be a liberal, conservative or what ever. Now this may mean you will have to risk the other guy from the other party winning in order to get someone in the next election who will actually do something about illegal immigration.

 

[Kal'Stang]

There was an attempt to reform immigration but the right wingers derailed it because it was not bat**** crazy enough for them.

Partisanship aside... Sorry, but in this subject there is no compromise. We tried amnesty once before. Now we have 4-7 times more illegals in our country than when we gave them amnesty the last time. It obviously didn't help one bit. All that it did was encourage more illeals to come to the US. We gave them a chance...now it is time to bring the belt.

 

[1751Texan]

Ok, you can believe that but what about 5-6 years ago when Republicans had both houses of Congress and the Presidency?

Even now... I mean come on, 95% of people want the border secure and we can't find the political will to do it but instead we're bombing Libya and passing healthcare which are much more controversial!

One can say...95% of Americans want a secure border, but what does that mean? I want a secure border, but dont want to spend billions of dollars to build a "fence" along the 2,200 miles of southren border or put the militaty on the border.

Of the 95%, how many agree with your ideas on how to "secure the border"?

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Try putting up a steel fence (or concrete wall) spanning for a few hundred kilometers, hiring tens of thousands of guards to properly secure it, then hire armies of lawyers to prosecute the illegals. You'll get the gravity of the situation.
You can call it the Great Wall of the US
Besides the economic, political, and technological impossibilities, it will cause an uproar both in and outside the US about racism, legal issues involving international law, and a whole lot of other issues.

 

[1751Texan]

Try putting up a steel fence (or concrete wall) spanning for a few hundred kilometers, hiring tens of thousands of guards to properly secure it, then hire armies of lawyers to prosecute the illegals. You'll get the gravity of the situation.
You can call it the Great Wall of the US
Besides the economic, political, and technological impossibilities, it will cause an uproar both in and outside the US about racism, legal issues involving international law, and a whole lot of other issues.

Have you ever been to the US-Mexico border? A "few hundred kilometers" is not 2,200 miles.

 

[Kal'Stang]

One can say...95% of Americans want a secure border, but what does that mean? I want a secure border, but dont want to spend billions of dollars to build a "fence" along the 2,200 miles of southren border or put the militaty on the border.

Of the 95%, how many agree with your ideas on how to "secure the border"?

Personally I would rather have our military lining our border than off in a foreign country fighting wars that we shouldn't be in.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Besides the economic, political, and technological impossibilities, it will cause an uproar both in and outside the US about racism, legal issues involving international law, and a whole lot of other issues.

Yeah it will. Should we give a damn though? Nope. It's our country and we have the right to tell other countries to shut it, beyond that of assuring them that we have no intention of invading Mexico should they bring it up of course (if we line the border with troops).

As for the cries of racism...ignore them. The issue is about illegal aliens. Not race. And the US-Mexican border is where the majority of illegals come into the US. You don't target problem areas by attacking any area but the problem area.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Have you ever been to the US-Mexico border? A "few hundred kilometers" is not 2,200 miles.

No, I haven't, and I realized my mistake. Sorry

 

[Spartacus FPV]

The best things to do about illegal immigration:
1. End farm subsidies, giving the mexicans back their competitive advantage so they can make money without having to come over.
2. End the drug war, making it safe for the above giving them another cash crop they can trade with us for.
3. Make US citizenship require a test, or service @ 18.

People respond to incentives, and there will always be some willing to risk walls and guns.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Yeah it will. Should we give a damn though? Nope. It's our country and we have the right to tell other countries to shut it, beyond that of assuring them that we have no intention of invading Mexico should they bring it up of course (if we line the border with troops).

As for the cries of racism...ignore them. The issue is about illegal aliens. Not race. And the US-Mexican border is where the majority of illegals come into the US. You don't target problem areas by attacking any area but the problem area.

I didn't say that it would be unlawful, that it will cause an uproar in the international community. Your claim that it's alright because it your country is about as valid as Hitler's Holocaust as it's okay because "it's our country". Globalization made one country's matter every country's matter, so you have to face the international "community" if you want such a plan

 

[Kal'Stang]

I didn't say that it would be unlawful, that it will cause an uproar in the international community. Your claim that it's alright because it your country is about as valid as Hitler's Holocaust as it's okay because "it's our country". Globalization made one country's matter every country's matter, so you have to face the international "community" if you want such a plan

Comparing the US securing its border with troops with Hitler's holocaust is idiotic. We don't plan on murdering millions of people just because they're not "pure". If you want an analogy go with Israel. Thier border is far more secure and they have a lot more troops along their border than we do....which granted isn't that hard....considering we have none.

As for "globalization"...Don't really care what other countries think. We're big enough that we can tell em to piss off. (politely of course...I'm not a complete butt wipe)

 

[Kal'Stang]

Double post...sorry.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Comparing the US securing its border with troops with Hitler's holocaust is idiotic. We don't plan on murdering millions of people just because they're not "pure". If you want an analogy go with Israel. Thier border is far more secure and they have a lot more troops along their border than we do....which granted isn't that hard....considering we have none.

As for "globalization"...Don't really care what other countries think. We're big enough that we can tell em to piss off. (politely of course...I'm not a complete butt wipe)

I get your point about the unfairness comparing the Holocaust and the US-Mexican border. Sorry. Maybe I didn't have my tinfoil hat on (smile).
Anyway, you're wrong about the US being the biggest. China will be the #1 economy in about 2050. US influences are decreasing. I mean, (sorry about this jab) the US doesn't have the political, economical, and military will to defeat a couple hundred terrorists hiding in a country that is on the list of five most poorest countries in the world. All countries and empire have their time.
Not only from the international "community", but also political classes in the US will also scream in outrage. Latinos, etc....
You said that "we're big enough that we can tell em to piss off". That's the same kind of attitude that got Cuba, North Korea, and Iran isolated. Kim-Jong-Il, Ahmadinejad, and Castro held the same "we can tell em to piss off" attitude. Just thought you want to know

 

[graduate14]

They only way you are going to get politicians who oppose illegal immigration and will actually do something about it is to vote for politicians who oppose illegal immigration and will do something to curb or stop it. You don't do this by voting for scum who toss the salad of illegals just because they are in your party or claim to be a liberal, conservative or what ever. Now this may mean you will have to risk the other guy from the other party winning in order to get someone in the next election who will actually do something about illegal immigration.

Or you can vote for those who will bring comprehensive immigration reform

 

[Kal'Stang]

Anyway, you're wrong about the US being the biggest. China will be the #1 economy in about 2050. US influences are decreasing. I mean, (sorry about this jab) the US doesn't have the political, economical, and military will to defeat a couple hundred terrorists hiding in a country that is on the list of five most poorest countries in the world. All countries and empire have their time.

You're may be right about China, but they aren't there yet.

As for terrorists, every country in the world would have trouble fighting them. They are a group that goes across borders and is multiple countries, and has other countries helping them under the table, and they fight what amounts to gorrila warfare.

Not only from the international "community", but also political classes in the US will also scream in outrage. Latinos, etc....

Again, ignore them. One of our greatest presidents once said...."You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time" ~Abraham Lincoln~ The same applies here. And right now, according to the polls over 90% of people want our border secured. We can either use troops, or put a double fence with landmines inbetween the fences and motion/heat sensors on our side. Its not going to get secured any other way. Despite peoples fantasies.

You said that "we're big enough that we can tell em to piss off". That's the same kind of attitude that got Cuba, North Korea, and Iran isolated. Kim-Jong-Il, Ahmadinejad, and Castro held the same "we can tell em to piss off" attitude. Just thought you want to know

The difference between the US and those others is that they were or are all 3rd world countries that have no real clout...but like to think they do. The US is not a 3rd world country and has far more clout. Even when China joins the US as a world super power they will just be doing that...joining us. Much like it use to be Russia and the US as the worlds biggest super powers. Although I certainly hope China won't be like Russia use to be.

In anycase what is the rest of the world going to do? Yell at us for doing the same thing that other countries do but not yell at them? (IE secure our border with troops).

 

[Kal'Stang]

Or you can vote for those who will bring comprehensive immigration reform

So long as that "comprehensive immigration reform" doesn't involve amnesty of any kind, I'm game.

 

[Objective Voice]

The best things to do about illegal immigration:
1. End farm subsidies, giving the mexicans back their competitive advantage so they can make money without having to come over.
2. End the drug war, making it safe for the above giving them another cash crop they can trade with us for.
3. Make US citizenship require a test, or service @ 18.

People respond to incentives, and there will always be some willing to risk walls and guns.

I would say that's a very good first start. However, that's a strategy I would have recommended 10-years ago. September 11, 2001 changed all of that - forever. Illegal immigration is no longer just an issue of drug smugglers and people who come in to earn a living in a safe home and fair working environment. Our national immigration is now far deeper than that.

We now have to look out for a perceived threat that's far worse than our dampening national economy. Now, we have to take precautions against a threat that threatens our very lives. No, it's not our way of life that's at stake. A few individual group terror cells or a single suicide bomber won't do that. But these fearsome loyalist to their religious idiology, they are the threat. As such, our illegal immigration problem must address this threat, not those who don't wish to do us harm, but are very willing to live peacefully among us and contribute to our greater prosperity. THIS IS WHY THE ANTI-IMMIGRATION PURSUIT IN THOSE COUNTRY IS ALL WRONG!!! YOU'RE AFTER THE WRONG PEOPLE!!!

 

[graduate14]

Partisanship aside... Sorry, but in this subject there is no compromise. We tried amnesty once before. Now we have 4-7 times more illegals in our country than when we gave them amnesty the last time. It obviously didn't help one bit. All that it did was encourage more illeals to come to the US. We gave them a chance...now it is time to bring the belt.

Comprehensive immigration reform does not require amnesty. Who said anything about amnesty!!!? As for the amnesty in the 80's do you know why it was offered? Do you even know who qualified for it?! Did you know that it also criminalized employers from hiring illegal immigrants? I suggest you refrain from reading ignorant articles (such as the ones you've posted) and educate yourself with credible sources.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Comprehensive immigration reform does not require amnesty. Who said anything about amnesty!!!? As for the amnesty in the 80's do you know why it was offered? Do you even know who qualified for it?! Did you know that it also criminalized employers from hiring illegal immigrants? I suggest you refrain from reading ignorant articles (such as the ones you've posted) and educate yourself with credible sources.

Fact: Illegals were offered amnesty in the 80's. They got it. Doesn't matter who qualified for it or not. Illegals got amnesty.

Fact: It may have criminalized employers from hiring illegals...but obviously it has done no good. Otherwise we wouldn't have illegals in this country.

Fact: We now have 4-7 times more illegals in this country than we did in the 80's.

Do you deny any of these facts?

As for my sources...of the ones that I have posted which ones do you consider not credible? Links please.

As for the bold part: You're right, it doesn't. But a lot of people seem to think that we can't have it without giving some type of amnesty. And anything that doesn't mean a timely removal of all illegals equals amnesty in my book.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

You're may be right about China, but they aren't there yet.

As for terrorists, every country in the world would have trouble fighting them. They are a group that goes across borders and is multiple countries, and has other countries helping them under the table, and they fight what amounts to gorrila warfare.



Again, ignore them. One of our greatest presidents once said...."You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time" ~Abraham Lincoln~ The same applies here. And right now, according to the polls over 90% of people want our border secured. We can either use troops, or put a double fence with landmines inbetween the fences and motion/heat sensors on our side. Its not going to get secured any other way. Despite peoples fantasies.



The difference between the US and those others is that they were or are all 3rd world countries that have no real clout...but like to think they do. The US is not a 3rd world country and has far more clout. Even when China joins the US as a world super power they will just be doing that...joining us. Much like it use to be Russia and the US as the worlds biggest super powers. Although I certainly hope China won't be like Russia use to be.

In anycase what is the rest of the world going to do? Yell at us for doing the same thing that other countries do but not yell at them? (IE secure our border with troops).

I'm just pointing out that the attitude you just posted were the same attitudes of those 3rd world countries you mentioned (no, South Korea isn't a 3rd world country). Even if the US has more clout and influences than them put together, the US is still one country, and it still has only one vote in the UN. No matter how powerful, one needs to have friends. I just wanted to point out that with that attitude, the US will be an outcast, albeit a powerful one