cascadian said:You'll have to be more specific about the Arab League's response and what they've realized.
Shaken and StirredThe Syrian foreign minister, Walid Moallem, strongly supported Lebanon and Hizballah. But an historic obstacle was raised that blocked the Lebanese endorsement of terrorism.
The Saudi foreign minister, al-Faisal, led a triumvirate including Egypt and Jordan that, according to the AP report, was " . . . criticizing the guerilla group's actions, calling them "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts." Faisal said, "These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we simply cannot accept them." . . . The Arab leaders are frightened that the acts of the terrorists they have coddled for decades might have consequences for them. And they are very frightened of what Iran may do next."
I don't really care what abstract concerns you have. Besides that deserved sentiment, I wrote a lengthy post above explaining why Lebanese civilians are dying and where the exact epicenter of the fault lies. Although English is my second language, I have to believe on the strength of Kelzie's reply that my explanation was digestable, logical, and empirically obvious.cascadian said:Israel bombs civilian areas. It bombs civilians and there's no way around that. I'm not really concerned whether Israel "wants" to or not. The end result is that an incredible amount of civilians are dying from Israeli attacks.
Shayah said:Shaken and Stirred
I don't really care what abstract concerns you have. Besides that deserved sentiment, I wrote a lengthy post above explaining why Lebanese civilians are dying and where the exact epicenter of the fault lies. Although English is my second language, I have to believe on the strength of Kelzie's reply that my explanation was digestable, logical, and empirically obvious.
:lol: Ha ha, did you think that was a good point when you clicked 'submit'? The difference, that I shouldn't have to point out to you, is that peoples ability to eat is dictated by a variety of extraneous factors that they may have varying to zero degrees of influence over. Their employment status, their education/skills level, the quality of land for farming, the availability of land for grazing livestock, availability of healthy workers to farm foodstuffs, even the vagaries of the weather in terms of drought or flood. There are no extraneous factors forcing the members of Hezbollah to construct rocket launchers in their gardens and fire them into Israel. In order to stop all they have to do is stop. It's very much more difficult for people to eat.JamesRichards said:Occupation is bad, but putting up with the terrorism is worse. The solution, rather obviously, is for Hezbollah to stop shooting rockets into Israels back yard.cascadian said:That's kind of like saying the solution to world hunger is for everyone to eat. The crux of the matter is how,why and when that Hezbollah will stop doing such things ( or when they will stope finding new recruits). Israel's current strategy is a return to an old one that has proven ineffective.
True.JamesRichards said:And again one could say there was no Israeli offensive until Hezbollah started hostilities with those abductions.cascadian said:This fact is not in dispute. The question is whether or not the nature of the response was wise or necessary.
Shayah said:I have to believe on the strength of Kelzie's reply that my explanation was digestable, logical, and empirically obvious.
Kelzie said:Good post. As a side note, I hope I can speak another language some day as well as you and your sister can speak English.
I agree that Hizbollah actions are innapropriate and irresponsible, but that does not dictate the quality and nature of Israel's response.Shayah said:You can also add Dubai, Kuwait, Morocco, and Bahrain to the above Arab League members who place the blame solidly on Hamas and Hizbollah.
Actually your more likely to get stories about current events.Shayah said:As for rocket attacks on Israel from Hamas and Hizbollah, all you have to do is Google the subject.
Feedback from people that already agree with you isn't the best barometer. Your english is fine though.Shayah said:I have to believe on the strength of Kelzie's reply that my explanation was digestable, logical, and empirically obvious.
cascadian said:I agree that Hizbollah actions are innapropriate and irresponsible, but that does not dictate the quality and nature of Israel's response.
BudLizard101 said:B/c a lot of people hate Jew's and the thought of Israel actually defending it's people is sickening to them?
Sounds to me like the Israelis have considerably more work to do.
I can't answer for the original poster, but I will say that I criticize the US for doing very similar things. It has nothing to do with Israel's ethnicity/religion if that's what you suspect.Deegan said:Israel has not done anything that hundreds of other nations have done, that is why they "get away with it". What I would like to know is, why are they considered different then these other nations?
Israel has chosen a response that kills considerably more civilians than terrorists (2 to 1 would be a very optimistic ratio). Their current approach was not the only option on the table. I don't see how it minimizes civilian deaths at all.oldreliable67 said:While Israel does everything reasonable to minimize civilian casualties -- not always with success
cascadian said:I can't answer for the original poster, but I will say that I criticize the US for doing very similar things. It has nothing to do with Israel's ethnicity/religion if that's what you suspect.
cascadian said:Israel has chosen a response that kills considerably more civilians than terrorists (2 to 1 would be a very optimistic ratio). Their current approach was not the only option on the table. I don't see how it minimizes civilian deaths at all.
The more I examine the response, the less it seems intended to guarantee safety for Israel (as the deaths of Israelis have demonstrated). Their hope, as far as I can tell, is to put pressure on the Lebanese government and civilians to reject Hezbollah.
This is a punishing strike, intended to terrorize Lebanon.
Maybe just maybe, this will bring in an international peace keeping force, but I'm skeptical of how much better they will fare than the Isrealis.
BudLizard101 said:B/c a lot of people hate Jew's and the thought of Israel actually defending it's people is sickening to them?
Auftrag said:Oh shut up!
What Israel is doing to Lebonan is completely disproportionate. Israel has a specific and is backed by America in its quest to jewify the middle east.
This has nothing to do with hate, it's politics. You people attempt to promote this emotionalism in order to score points. Well, quite frankly no one should pay attention to it.
BudLizard101 said:Jewify the middle east? is that why Israel is asking all Jew's in 'hostile' nations to get out of there? is that a good way to promote Judaism and i guess, according to people like you, keep control of the world? :rofl
And it IS about hate. The hate that HZ has for Israel. If it was about politics, wouldn't it get solved in a POLITICAL way(you know... like talks), and not kidnapping soldiers?
Yes, I'm a racist, deal with it!BudLizard101 said:"You wouldn't want your kind getting hit in the crossfire now, would you." my kind? okay racist.
did Israel strike the first blow? and what muslim nations did we bomb and destroy?
keep hoping. how many times has the world turned on 'my kind' and yet we are still here... where are the nazi's? oh right, they are gone. Jew's lived, nazi's died.
Auftrag said:Israel has perpetuated violence against Muslim nations for decades. They have purposely and through the use of disproportionate force and oppression have flamed the response from groups like Hezbollah.
Having fun teasing a mentally disturbed?BudLizard101 said:Which nations?
justone said:Having fun teasing a mentally disturbed?
Do you realize that in his picture of the world you are a superior race, - are you enjoying?
Auftrag said:Israel has perpetuated violence against Muslim nations for decades. They have purposely and through the use of disproportionate force and oppression have flamed the response from groups like Hezbollah.
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