Why do Liberals typically attack and pervert Christianity?

[sangha]

You're having a hard time reading....I didn't say they do, or should, have that right. Go back and take notes, if necessary.

No, you never said it.


here you say objecting to the pledge is senseless and silly and no one is forced to say it

Second, though I understand your particular aversion to symbols, and symbology, there are some symbols which are so ingrained, and so recognized that to attack simply based on their status as a symbol rather than a specific entity in and of itself is pointless. The US Flag, for instance, is recognized by everyone that has not been living under a rock on a different planet. That being said, I also find objection to not saying the pledge of allegiance generally rediculous. The pledge is non binding, and serves no other purpose than to attempt to promote some level of patriotism in Americas young people. While I think that is admiral, it is generally innefective. So, by objecting to the attacks of the use of the word God, in a pledge which honestly has no true value, is as senseles as objecting to the wording.


Third, objecting to the use of "under God" is silly. "Under God" doesn't mean under "the Christian God", under "the Muslim God" (which is the same thing), or any other God. Further, if you don't beleive in God you are not indicating that you do by uttering the words, nor is it forcing you to by mere existanc eof the words. If you have that objection, simply don't say it.

Fourth, I don't think any student in this day and age would be punished for not saying it.

Fifth, what great purpose do you achieve my railing against observance of symbology? Is symbology being used to brainwash the citizenry? Is it an overt attempt by Masons to control the masses?

Now it's pointless

Great reading comprehension. If you do not believe in God, than it means nothing. Taking offense at something that means nothing to you is pointless. That's not difficult to comprehend.

More denial that people are forced to say it

Then don't say it. That's the point "dude".

I point out that you're wrong

Some children have been punished for not saying it. The link has already been provided.

More denial

Punished? Where they taken "out back" and beaten?

Now you drop the denial, but you condone it, and ask for info that has already been posted

I think you can live with a little discipline. Show me the punishments given to those that refuse to say either the pledge of allegiance or "under god".

Here you're asked about the pledge

I didn't say most. I said all. Shouldn't the pledge only include things that are true for ALL Americans?

Actually, by that logic, we should take out "liberty and justice for all", too. Since that's demonstrably untrue... But at least we're trying to make that true for everyone, so maybe it refers to the fact that it is an ideal that we're all striving for. To try and make "under god" true for everyone is unconstitutional.

And again you condone people being forced to recite the pledge (ie "So what?")

Well, then, I guess we'll just assume some kid got "fussed" at and go from there. So what? Someone allegedly got punished in that last 200 years for not saying the pledge of allegiance, I bet they moved past it.

Nope, you never said it

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Before someone states, "Huh? What are you talking about?", I have collected a plethora of instances in which liberals do indeed attack and pervert Christianity. Ergo, don't try to deny that liberals typically do this.

The question now is...

...why?

Also, why are Muslims typically the only religion spared from the liberal hate machine?

I was surprised to find more and more religious people I know are actually Democratic/Liberal - not Republican/Conservative. . . In fact: I was so surprised to see this more and more as an adult it was thoroughly shocking. I, by default, associated Conservatism with Christianity - apparently that's just not true. Considering some values that christians are suppose to hold VS some values that they support by being Liberal - it seems ot conflict. But not all political associations are based on these few values to begin with.

 

[ecofarm]

I was surprised to find more and more religious people I know are actually Democratic/Liberal - not Republican/Conservative. . . In fact: I was so surprised to see this more and more as an adult it was thoroughly shocking. I, by default, associated Conservatism with Christianity - apparently that's just not true. Considering some values that christians are suppose to hold VS some values that they support by being Liberal - it seems ot conflict. But not all political associations are based on these few values to begin with.

Socially liberal christians? Is that like socialist libertarians? I find it difficult. If it ain't the word of god, then who they talkin' to?

 

[Thunder]

Since you got it wrong, as usual, who's absurd?

your views on this issue are absurd.

stating that being forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance is ok, if you don't believe in God, is absurd.

 

[sangha]

I was surprised to find more and more religious people I know are actually Democratic/Liberal - not Republican/Conservative. . . In fact: I was so surprised to see this more and more as an adult it was thoroughly shocking. I, by default, associated Conservatism with Christianity - apparently that's just not true. Considering some values that christians are suppose to hold VS some values that they support by being Liberal - it seems ot conflict. But not all political associations are based on these few values to begin with.

Many don't seem to realize it, but Jesus was a socialist and the Bible provides a great deal of support for socialism

Romans 13:1-7: Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Mark 10:21-25 21Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” 24The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Matthew 25:31-46

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life”.

Mathew 4:23-25 shows Jesus providing free health care

23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people. 24 News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed; and he healed them. 25 Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis,[g] Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him.

James 2:1-7:

1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
(1 Timothy 6:10,11)

...If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come and follow me. (Matthew 19:21)

For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
(Matthew 16:26)

Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.
(Proverbs 23:4,5)

He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.
(Proverbs 28:8)

The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
(Psalm 37:21)

A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.
(Proverbs 28:20)

 

[Thunder]

Many don't seem to realize it, but Jesus was a socialist and the Bible provides a great deal of support for socialism..

Nein.

Nyet.

Lo.

Jesus was NOT a Socialist. That's just silly.

 

[mac]

No, you never said it.


here you say objecting to the pledge is senseless and silly and no one is forced to say it


Now it's pointless


More denial that people are forced to say it


I point out that you're wrong


More denial


Now you drop the denial, but you condone it, and ask for info that has already been posted


Here you're asked about the pledge


And again you condone people being forced to recite the pledge (ie "So what?")




Nope, you never said it

You're right, I never said that children should be forced to recite the pledge of allegiance.

In addition to not understanding what is being said, you are attributing posts to me that were clearly made by another person. Try to pay attention.

 

[mac]

your views on this issue are absurd.

stating that being forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance is ok, if you don't believe in God, is absurd.

What is absurd is that you think that is what I said.

 

[Thunder]

What is absurd is that you think that is what I said.

disregarding the fact that folks are forced to say the pledge, is the same as condoning such action.

 

[sangha]

You're right, I never said that children should be forced to recite the pledge of allegiance.

No, you never said "children should be forced to recite.....". You just have no objections when children are forced to recite the pledge.

In addition to not understanding what is being said, you are attributing posts to me that were clearly made by another person. Try to pay attention.

Not true. I clearly linked each quote to the post it came from, and the link identifies who said it

 

[mac]

disregarding the fact that folks are forced to say the pledge, is the same as condoning such action.

You of course can back up that people are forced to say it? Links please.

And no, it's not the same thing.

 

[sangha]

What is absurd is that you think that is what I said.

Nope, you never said that there's no problem with forcing children to recite the pledge

Well, then, I guess we'll just assume some kid got "fussed" at and go from there. So what? Someone allegedly got punished in that last 200 years for not saying the pledge of allegiance, I bet they moved past it.

 

[mac]

No, you never said "children should be forced to recite.....". You just have no objections when children are forced to recite the pledge.

That's not true either, that's you assuming...incorrectly.

Not true. I clearly linked each quote to the post it came from, and the link identifies who said it

And you attributed Paschendale's post to me.

 

[Thunder]

mac- you indeed appear to be disregarding people and children being disciplined for not saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

you ALSO are clearly showing total disrespect for folks who do not want to state the Pledge, for moral and/or political reasons.

basically, you're saying this:

"Folks should not be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you don't want to say the Pledge Allegiance, your just a jerk and an attention whore. And if someone does get disciplined for refusing to say the Pledge, big deal. They'll get over it."

 

[sangha]

You of course can back up that people are forced to say it? Links please.

And no, it's not the same thing.

It has already been posted. I even gave you a link to where it was posted.

 

[Thunder]

It has already been posted. I even gave you a link to where it was posted.

the links are just a few posts up.

 

[mac]

Nope, you never said that there's no problem with forcing children to recite the pledge

What is important, is I never said it's perfectly ok to force children to recite the pledge. In fact, I said several times that they shouldn't be forced to.

 

[Thunder]

What is important, is I never said it's perfectly ok to force children to recite the pledge. In fact, I said several times that they shouldn't be forced to.

but if they are forced to, its no big deal and they will get over it, right?

that's what you said.

 

[mac]

mac- you indeed appear to be disregarding people and children being disciplined for not saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

I am not, you clearly do not understand written english.

you ALSO are clearly showing total disrespect for folks who do not want to state the Pledge, for moral and/or political reasons.

I am not, I clearly stated that no-one should be forced to say the pledge.

basically, you're saying this:

"Folks should not be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you don't want to say the Pledge Allegiance, your just a jerk and an attention whore. And if someone does get disciplined for refusing to say the Pledge, big deal. They'll get over it."

That's not even close to what I said, try removing your bias filter, and try actually reading.

 

[sangha]

mac- you indeed appear to be disregarding people and children being disciplined for not saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

you ALSO are clearly showing total disrespect for folks who do not want to state the Pledge, for moral and/or political reasons.

basically, you're saying this:

"Folks should not be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you don't want to say the Pledge Allegiance, your just a jerk and an attention whore. And if someone does get disciplined for refusing to say the Pledge, big deal. They'll get over it."

While he didn't use those exact words, as a paraphrase, its' an accurate representation of whats been argued. And, after saying "So what?" to an infringement of peoples' constitutional rights, he claimed that he knows all about rights :roll:

 

[mac]

but if they are forced to, its no big deal and they will get over it, right?

that's what you said.

That is not what I said.

 

[mac]

While he didn't use those exact words, as a paraphrase, its' an accurate representation of whats been argued. And, after saying "So what?" to an infringement of peoples' constitutional rights, he claimed that he knows all about rights :roll:

That is not an accurate representation, because it is clearly not what I believe, or what I said. Show some proof that kids are routinely being punished, and show some proof that in the rare cases that it is, the authority that did the punishing is not reprimanded for it.

 

[sangha]

What is important, is I never said it's perfectly ok to force children to recite the pledge. In fact, I said several times that they shouldn't be forced to.

And you said, in response to the fact that people are being unconstitutionally forced, "so what?" You are entitled to that unamerican opinion, but it shows that you do not have the understanding of constitutional rights that you claim to have. Anyone who understands our rights knows that an infringement of our rights is not a "So what?" issue

 

[Thunder]

I am not, you clearly do not understand written english..

English is m first language, and I understand it damn well, thank you very much.

 

[sangha]

That is not an accurate representation, because it is clearly not what I believe, or what I said. Show some proof that kids are routinely being punished, and show some proof that in the rare cases that it is, the authority that did the punishing is not reprimanded for it.

That's already been done