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I believe that there is no such entity as “God”.
What's your point?
I believe that there is no such entity as “God”.
Genesis is not objective fact. It is a religious fable. Human behavior has natural reasons and causes.
I think it's unlikely that God exists, but I also don't think it's possible to disprove (or prove) his existence. But if he does exist, I feel like it's more likely that he created the physical laws that led to the formation of the universe and eventually earth and humans. I doubt he has ever had any direct involvement in our creation, and I feel like calling God fair or unfair makes about as much sense as calling something like gravity fair on unfair.Is your conclusion that God doesn't exist at all?
Is your conclusion that God exists but isn't fair?
Is your conclusion that God is fair but humans don't understand how?
Krauss claims that since the Universe came from nothingness there is no need for God. Yet if you read the book, the majority of it is spent explaining what the nothingness was.Instead of assigning a book report, could you summarize his claims?
I don't worry about that because there is no God.Animals simply live according to their programming. They can't imagine or attempt to do anything but be what they are.
Humans have free will, intelligence, and self-awareness. We have the freedom to choose, and sometimes we choose evil. Blame that on humanity, not God.
Would you rather be a finger puppet who was incapable of doing anything but God's will? I doubt it.
This thread was hijacked by atheists? The title of the thread is "Why did you pick Atheism?" You asked for the atheist point of view. You just didn't like it when you got it because you didn't really want it. You just wanted to preach. And we see Christianity as an easy target because Christianity is an easy target.The forum is not based on the Judeo Christian God and neither is this thread. The thread has been hijacked by atheists who have a weak stance and see Christianity as an easy target.....
Yes, that's likely. So?likely because most of them know more about Christianity than other religions.
Not at all. You missed the point.Plus they know a religious person who did something bad so that is all the proof they need to be convinced that a God or gods can't exist.
The thread has been hijacked by atheists who have a weak stance
Silliness. When I die I'll be in the same place I was before I was a born. We all just get this one shot at life. No evidence suggests otherwise. Sure, there is alot of fantasy, mythology, and imagination, but none of that is evidence. Might as well embrace the possibility of becoming a vampire since it too is imaginary.I wouldn't say that non belief requires no effort. Facing death as they get older, a lot of atheists have to put a lot of effort in to maintain their atheism. Many of them fail. I've heard it can also be tough to maintain your atheism in a foxhole with bullets flying over your head and bombs exploding all around.
That may not have been your intent in creating it but is there subconsciously all the same, with references to capital-G God and concepts like and after-life or meaning to the universe. You're clearly coming at this from a Christian view of atheism rather than something more abstract or impartial, even if you're not consciously aware of it.The forum is not based on the Judeo Christian God and neither is this thread.
You claimed that "If there are things other than natural, there should be verifiable evidence of such things". To paraphrase you, "if supernatural things exist, we should be able to verify (supposedly naturally) those things".We don't know that there should be verifiable evidence of something? Why don't we know that?
You don't know that, no one does.Humans have free will
No, atheism and agnosticism most often line up with science while theism is more about myth.Neither atheism or theism are chosen, they're just elements of the much deeper socio-philosophical conclusions
Yours is a fair conclusion IMO, I would change the word god to a first cause ..some sort of an entity that preceded the big bang.I think it's unlikely that God exists, but I also don't think it's possible to disprove (or prove) his existence. But if he does exist, I feel like it's more likely that he created the physical laws that led to the formation of the universe and eventually earth and humans. I doubt he has ever had any direct involvement in our creation, and I feel like calling God fair or unfair makes about as much sense as calling something like gravity fair on unfair.
Yup, nothingness, some people simply don't have the courage ..the solution, a crutch.Silliness. When I die I'll be in the same place I was before I was a born.
How has science proved that something can be eternal.Science has already accomplished the first thing.
Its possible, choices might only be an illusion ..read up on the topic of free will vs determinism and learn what scientist have to say.I've heard this old song and dance. There is no free will. Everything we do and everything we are, is a result of everything that happened to us and everything that influenced us, before we make any involuntary "decision". Good luck selling that.
I think dying is relatively easy if we live a long life, we just kind of fade away naturally..A lot of atheists on their death bed become theists. Party because of fear but partly because they have nothing to lose if they start believing in God and end up being wrong.
The thread has been hijacked by atheists
That's an honest statement, I can't argue with it.I like my religion.
It is free theater, performance art, steeped with cultural relevance.
It takes place in great architectural spaces with wonderful choral music.
There is even wonderful art throughout the theater (church) . Statues, wall reliefs, beautiful stained glass.
And as if all that were not enough, it offers a sense of community and space for meditation with wonderful smells (incence).
Flowers generally abound too.
Because I'm not required to entertain ideas there is no evidence for. Deism can certainly qualify for thought experiments, but not as a credible idea in and of itself.You could be a theist and have hope that something is out there besides a cold dark eternal death.
You could be an agnostic and admit the truth; that neither theism nor atheism can be shown to be correct with our current knowledge.
But you made the bold choice of atheism and used the evidence (and lack of evidence) available to you, to Iive out the rest of your days, confident that when your life is over it's over, and it didn't matter that you didn't matter.....and it didn't matter that the Universe itself didn't matter. Why is that more appealing to you than the other two choices?
My usual response is to smack someone and say there's your proof, I chose to smack you for no reason.You don't know that, no one does.
Speaking of missing a point.This thread was hijacked by atheists? The title of the thread is "Why did you pick Atheism?" You asked for the atheist point of view.
I see. More of the argument: Since humans do bad things, nothing greater than humans can possibly exist.However, the history of Western Religion in Europe overtime paints an oh so ugly picture.[/I]
Interesting debate strategy. Let me play this game:You're clearly coming at this from a Christian view of atheism rather than something more abstract or impartial, even if you're not consciously aware of it.
Read post 504.How has science proved that something can be eternal.