Why Did We Fight The Civil War?

[Pinkie]

What would have been so terrible about allowing the south to secede? They'd have ended slavery by themselves, sooner or later. All that misery and suffering....why?

 

[OneMale]

Civilization created the idea of humanity's greater good. But the problem inherent within that is it becomes counter productive to the natrual balances of everything else when one species strives to remain the exception to adapt or become extinct as the goal of humanity's greater good as superior to everything else on earth.

So this is where vanity, ego, corruption comes from when ancestors become people of ideology. The civil war was about character's rights where urban sprawl rules rural communities by out voting them and making the individuals of rural areas a voting minority of casted characters in the theater of political debate of social justification every body does it.

slavery at the time of the civil war was about 5 or 6 on the priority list of complaints. But the Civil War was about defending the Constitution as written, not interpreted 3 generations later after after millions of immigrants mostly moving to the north were added to the voting public theaters of church and state that didn't fight in the revolutionary war and were still trained to think in old world traditions.

Thus the transition began to change Represetative Republic back into democratic democracies one generation at a time to where we are now debating America as a democracy and not a Representative Rebulbic of sole lifetimes not forced to play character roles from a central authority defining who's who socially.

 

[Temporal]

The land itself held importance - economically, agriculturally - but a division would mean a failure of the ideology that made the U.S. what it was in the first place.

The civil war was just as much about saving face as it was a cultural conflict.

 

[OneMale]

Pride comes before the downfall. Ideas are reflected images of maybe, conceived sole results of compounding additions of ancestry are specific and absolute. Theory and theology plant seeds of doubt and that takes wit.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

If we had allowed the Confederacy to secede without incident, it would have never ended. The States would have broken away, one or two at a time, until there was nothing left of the Union.

It's no different than when we put down the Whiskey Rebellion.

 

[OneMale]

In social organization of a culture regardless the philosophical origins is run the same way spiritually and politically by actions taken where the few defining control the defined through arts and entertainment educating the population in a language designed to divide and conquer total understanding of this now moment always being here in the same instant universally applied to each result compoundedly added as always results contract into expanding details never conceived twice.

Snowflakes and fingerprints as vernaculars stay the same through generations repeating the same mistakes.

 

[spud_meister]

For ****s and giggles.

 

[jambalaya]

Lincoln was determined to keep the union intact. It was his number one priority.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

For ****s and giggles.

Actually, they did. In the first battles, civilians actually went to the battles and had picnics while the battles raged on. Of course, they didn't stay long. It wasn't the clean, orderly fight people made it out to be, and no war is

 

[Tigger]

Lincoln was determined to keep the union intact. It was his number one priority.

Yep; and in doing so he began the destruction of what he claimed to love the most.... America.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

What would have been so terrible about allowing the south to secede? They'd have ended slavery by themselves, sooner or later. All that misery and suffering....why?

Hey - however much I don't like being a southerner by birth (means of virginia) . . . I like to think we're important, too. You still need us, shoooo

Might as well say "why did we bother with the Louisianna Purchase" or the "Gadson Purchase" and even the "Mexican Cession"

The real answer is "economic benefit" - further: they had no right to secede. "Just because we want to" isn't good enough - they didn't have to ratify the Constitution if they didn't want to.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

State vs Federal power.

 

[Tigger]

Hey - however much I don't like being a southerner by birth (means of virginia) . . . I like to think we're important, too. You still need us, shoooo

Maybe we were switched at birth, because I would much rather have been born in the South than in New England, Auntie.

The real answer is "economic benefit" - further: they had no right to secede. "Just because we want to" isn't good enough - they didn't have to ratify the Constitution if they didn't want to.

I would tend to disagree with you on that topic. There's a really good book entitled "A Constitutional History of Secession" by John remington Graham which makes a very strong case that ANY STATE has and has always had the right to Seceed from the Union at any time. You might want to look into it.

 

[rocket88]

What would have been so terrible about allowing the south to secede? They'd have ended slavery by themselves, sooner or later. All that misery and suffering....why?

Slavery would have ended sooner or later...but probably a lot later.

Really, it's the idea that the Union was important. You let South secede, then you have to let the West secede. Then you have to let Vermont secede. Eventually, there wouldn't be a United States of America, and the world would be a much darker place.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Slavery would have ended sooner or later...but probably a lot later.

Really, it's the idea that the Union was important. You let South secede, then you have to let the West secede. Then you have to let Vermont secede. Eventually, there wouldn't be a United States of America, and the world would be a much darker place.

I dont think America is a place where everything was meant to be forced together. I thought the founders vision ( i could be wayyyy off base thoughI guess. Not sure where I learned it) a country made of craploads of different states that all have very, very different ways and yet work together as a whole by choice. With technology today I think a nation build in this way could survive MUCH more and be more resiliant to more things. (in terms of if a country tried to invade us)

If we get too reliant on feds for everything then if some country ever decided to attack america they would prolly target all the feds seeing as they are the nerve center of America right now. I think if more of the nerve center were state based in all cases it would be much harder to severly cripple us in 1 swell blow. Although, I personally dont mind living in a federal America. My life hasn't been bad at all. inCORPorated America worries me.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

What would have been so terrible about allowing the south to secede? They'd have ended slavery by themselves, sooner or later. All that misery and suffering....why?

We would be in a perpetual state of war/conflict - almost like we are now, but worse.

 

[Thunder]

...What would have been so terrible about allowing the south to secede? They'd have ended slavery by themselves, sooner or later. All that misery and suffering....why?...

sorry, but you don't get to tare apart my country all because you think black people are sub-human, deserving only of a life of servitude.


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[Thrilla]

it was to preserve the union at all costs.
even to the cost of some of the founding principles...
we laid the rest such things as self determination , consent of the governed, etc...and they won't be returning for the foreseeable future.

sorry, but you don't get to tare apart my country all because you think black people are sub-human, deserving only of a life of servitude.

it's people like this here who still, to this day, kill off those principles.
he's of the same spawn that like to travel the globe telling other people how they are to be governed and by whom.
instead of handling the issues they specifically don't like or are inherently bad, they use force to bring other peoples to their knees and adopt their ways.

 

[apdst]

What would have been so terrible about allowing the south to secede? They'd have ended slavery by themselves, sooner or later. All that misery and suffering....why?

The Northern textiles mills would have been flat cut off from their number one source of cotton. The Northern mill owners weren't going to let that happen. They didn't call it, "King Cotton", for nothing. The Northern states would have been cut off from beef, sugar, hemp, timber, tobacco, rice, you name it. There were 20 million Yankees to feed and they couldn't do it, without Southern agriculture.

The Red River Campaign of 1864, was launched for no other reason than to capture Southern cotton. That's how important cotton was to the North.

 

[SgtRock]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

 

[StillBallin75]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

??? how does this relate to the Civil War

 

[Jetboogieman]

??? how does this relate to the Civil War

 

[SgtRock]

??? how does this relate to the Civil War

Are you following me?

 

[StillBallin75]

Sorry guys, hard rock isn't really my thing.

 

[SgtRock]

bingo...you win the SgtRock twisted info trophy