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Donkey1499 said:Was Billo talking aboot the Gulf War?..... and were you in it?
GySgt said:He's referring to the sorties that were flown prior to 2003.
liberal1 said:2. Suddam Hussein is already a disagreeable character around the U.S. and blaming him again, this time for non-existent WMDs, was a perfect excuse to not only bring freedom to an oppressed people but also to secure worldwide safety.
kal-el said:Haha, ever get the feeling that we went after the wrong guy? No evidence of nukes were ever uncovered, but Iran could very well get a nuke shortly, and our hands are kinda tied in Iraq on this mawkish escapade. Maybe we should have left Saddam in power, as he seemed to think he was the "power" of the Middle East, he could do our job for us, keeping Iran in check.
Billo_Really said:Since you brought up the subject of failed obligations, while we were supposed to be enforcing the no-fly zone, we were busy bombing the crap out of his country to try and provoke him into a war. It's convenient not discuss that part, isn't it?
Bring it!..................and what is this so-called lie you speak of?Originally posted by aquapub:
Don't question his honesty when you are the one trying to change the subject with an outright lie.
We bombed Saddam while he was under the no fly zone restriction for specific, and very justified reasons each time. The only problem was when Bill Clinton was doing all this, he should have had the spine to do more than drop a couple of bombs.
The Democrat who bombed Saddam during this time period you are referring to did so when we found out he tried to have Bush senior assassinated, when Iraq VIOLATED the no fly zone, and when Saddam shot at our planes.
Lie through your teeth to generate pity for our enemies all you want, oh patriotic liberal. Saddam was a genocidal terror-sponsor and those of us who do have a shred of integrity will call you out on this habitual anti-American lying every time you do it.
Billo_Really said:Bring it!..................and what is this so-called lie you speak of?
It is important to note that this embellishment by you and your people is only your perception of the facts I present. I might add, you react this way over every fact I present. Which does nothing but show your hand for what it is. Saying I embellish while you try to make excuses for the obvious is a joke. What you need to do is stop lying to yourself and stop spreading hate.Originally posted by GySgt:
Whilst suggesting that a single infraction is what you might need to defend, those of us who know you well enough know you to exxagerate any "fact" and embellish any event.
Of course, we also know not to expect to see you type anything of the type of garbage you spew forth about Iraq with regards to Afghanistan. Two wars being fought with the same military and the same training. Why is it that all of your pictures, stories, fables, "attrocities," and complaints are focused on just the one? There is hypocrisy in this. And simply saying that you agree with the other is not honorable protesting. It is simply painting the worst picture with the select war you don't agree with.
If you're going to protest war, protest war. Don't raise up the evils of war for just the ones you don't agree with.
Billo_Really said:It is important to note that this embellishment by you and your people is only your perception of the facts I present. I might add, you react this way over every fact I present. Which does nothing but show your hand for what it is. Saying I embellish while you try to make excuses for the obvious is a joke. What you need to do is stop lying to yourself and stop spreading hate.
Billo_Really said:As for Afganistan, how can you possibly draw any conclusions from what I haven't said about Afganistan. But if you want to know, we again attacked a government that did nothing to us. I have also posted comments we made to Taliban officials five weeks before 9/11 that if they did not agree to our pipeline proposal, that if they did not accept our carpet of gold, we would bury them under a carpet of bombs. But I guessed you missed that with your selective memory.
Billo_Really said:You need to get better at your dis-information. This one was a little weak.
You present reason's that occur in an unjust war as if this were a just war fought on moral grounds. Which it is not. This is a black mark on America as well as being the most cowardly war ever fought. A country that has the firepower the US has attacking a country full of goat herders is disgusting. Yet you defend this action. Which is even more disgusting.Originally posted by GySgt:
Who said anything about "excuses?" You present a fact of war and I present the reasons such events occur. You're the one looking for the moral "right and wrong" during combat.
Well this isn't eloquent. This is incoherent. I have no idea what your talking about here.Originally posted by GySgt:
More angles to explain away personal inadequicies.
Your feeble attempt at being witty falls far short of its mark.Originally posted by GySgt:
Not to anyone that has seen your posts.
Billo_Really said:You present reason's that occur in an unjust war as if this were a just war fought on moral grounds. Which it is not. This is a black mark on America as well as being the most cowardly war ever fought. A country that has the firepower the US has attacking a country full of goat herders is disgusting. Yet you defend this action. Which is even more disgusting.
Billo_Really said:Well this isn't eloquent. This is incoherent. I have no idea what your talking about here.
Billo_Really said:Your feeble attempt at being witty falls far short of its mark.
Why did the War start? You don't really want to know do you?
To fulfill a clearly layed out NeoCon plan by Wolfowitz to establish a military foothold in the Middle East to protect the strategic flow of oil!
9/11 changed everything! It provided the golden opportunity and cover story of emotional support for Wolfowitz's 1992 Defense Plan. Saddam was a made to order brutal dictator patsy. He had to poke his fingers at us and maintain the myth of still having WMD and nuclear missiles to hold on to his power based on fear and brutality. If he told the truth his enemies would get him, so he tried to maintain the bluff and played into the NEOCON's hands. They spun intelligence, made him part of 9/11, frightened the U.S. Public with images of WMD and Nuclear Attacks in 45 minutes, then and against the advice of Middle East experts and international allies the began the Wolfowitz Defense Plan to establish a foot print of military power in the form of permanent bases from Afghanistan to Qatar to Iraq The war began and mysteriously Saddam never even threatened to use WMD to try to get a peace treaty and save his skin! Wonder why? He knew it wouldn't fly according to our own inspectors! The intelligence that was discounted, not part of the "spun intelligence package". The "FIXED" intelligence of the Downing Street Memo! These NEOCON permanent bases we now have follow the newly built natural gas lines in Afghanistan and oil production in Qatar and Iraq! The Wolfowitz Plan is under way! Good or bad, we weren't involved in that decision! Democracy isn't predictable enough for NEOCONS! They don't trust it, people don't always vote your way!
Mr. D said:Why did the War start? You don't really want to know do you?
To fulfill a clearly layed out NeoCon plan by Wolfowitz to establish a military foothold in the Middle East to protect the strategic flow of oil!
9/11 changed everything! It provided the golden opportunity and cover story of emotional support for Wolfowitz's 1992 Defense Plan. Saddam was a made to order brutal dictator patsy. He had to poke his fingers at us and maintain the myth of still having WMD and nuclear missiles to hold on to his power based on fear and brutality. If he told the truth his enemies would get him, so he tried to maintain the bluff and played into the NEOCON's hands. They spun intelligence, made him part of 9/11, frightened the U.S. Public with images of WMD and Nuclear Attacks in 45 minutes, then and against the advice of Middle East experts and international allies the began the Wolfowitz Defense Plan to establish a foot print of military power in the form of permanent bases from Afghanistan to Qatar to Iraq The war began and mysteriously Saddam never even threatened to use WMD to try to get a peace treaty and save his skin! Wonder why? He knew it wouldn't fly according to our own inspectors! The intelligence that was discounted, not part of the "spun intelligence package". The "FIXED" intelligence of the Downing Street Memo! These NEOCON permanent bases we now have follow the newly built natural gas lines in Afghanistan and oil production in Qatar and Iraq! The Wolfowitz Plan is under way! Good or bad, we weren't involved in that decision! Democracy isn't predictable enough for NEOCONS! They don't trust it, people don't always vote your way!
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Have you been taking robin's phone calls?....Mr. D said:Even "real" conservative republicans see the danger of the NeoCons. Have you read Wolfowitz's writings?
I suppose you prefer to believe the Walt Disney/John Wayne version (patriotic music begin here) that after decades of propping up brutal dictators all over the world with CIA operations like "Condor" in Latin America, arming Middle Eastern dictators, sleeping with the Saudis and blindly supporting Zionist aggression and theft of Palestinian Muslims historical property, for American anti Communism and pro corporation reasons now we "finally" noticed that Saddam was a bad guy and ran to protect the people of the Middle East! If Saddam had not gotten greedy and invaded Kuwait he'd still be in power.
The support that the "murdering terrorist" Osama Bin Ladin gets from many is because his goal is to drive the U.S. out of the Middle East and reduce it's blind support of Israel! Those are the unifying cards he's playing! Our leaders' stubborn ignorance have played right into his hand! His big problem WAS that majority of Muslims don't support his fanatical desire to return radical fundamentalism to Islam Taliban style! Most Muslims want to modernize and liberalize and see the Middle East develop! Many are sick of Tyrants and religious dictators! So Osama's goal is to trick the U.S. into wars and attacks on the Muslim world to unify it against Westerners to increase support for his goals. So he attacked U.S, embassies, ships and finally the World Trade Center. The U.S rightly goes after him in Afghanistan, but then uses it as an excuse to invade Iraq and attack Saddam who was clearly hated by Bin Ladin a rebuffed in a meeting in 1998 when he tried to get Osama's Support! Bin Ladin publicly hated Saddam as a secular leader who disgraced Islam and Sharia law! 9/11 was the perfect excuse for the NeoCon Wolfowitz plan to establish a military foothold of permanent bases in the Middle East to protect oil and natural gas interests! The American public given one sided intelligence of WMD and nuclear attacks within 45 minutes would naturally support it out of fear!
We played right into Osama Bin Ladin's hands and increased his support and recruitment! If we had avoided the NeoCon plan and used the world's support after 9/11 just going after Al Qaida we would have tremendous world support including Muslims! Instead we thumbed our nose at the world!
I've traveled to most every country from Ireland to the Baltics, from Turkey to China and the American people are loved everywhere I went contrary to what we are told here! They just fear Bush and our current leadership and don't understand why half of Americans are blind to what's going on!
Mr. D said:Even "real" conservative republicans see the danger of the NeoCons. Have you read Wolfowitz's writings?
Mr. D said:I suppose you prefer to believe the Walt Disney/John Wayne version (patriotic music begin here) that after decades of propping up brutal dictators all over the world with CIA operations like "Condor" in Latin America, arming Middle Eastern dictators, sleeping with the Saudis and blindly supporting Zionist aggression and theft of Palestinian Muslims historical property, for American anti Communism and pro corporation reasons now we "finally" noticed that Saddam was a bad guy and ran to protect the people of the Middle East!
Probably.Mr. D said:If Saddam had not gotten greedy and invaded Kuwait he'd still be in power.
Mr. D said:The support that the "murdering terrorist" Osama Bin Ladin gets from many is because his goal is to drive the U.S. out of the Middle East and reduce it's blind support of Israel! Those are the unifying cards he's playing! Our leaders' stubborn ignorance have played right into his hand!
Mr. D said:His big problem WAS that majority of Muslims don't support his fanatical desire to return radical fundamentalism to Islam Taliban style! Most Muslims want to modernize and liberalize and see the Middle East develop! Many are sick of Tyrants and religious dictators! So Osama's goal is to trick the U.S. into wars and attacks on the Muslim world to unify it against Westerners to increase support for his goals. So he attacked U.S, embassies, ships and finally the World Trade Center.
Mr. D said:The U.S rightly goes after him in Afghanistan, but then uses it as an excuse to invade Iraq and attack Saddam who was clearly hated by Bin Ladin a rebuffed in a meeting in 1998 when he tried to get Osama's Support!
Mr. D said:Bin Ladin publicly hated Saddam as a secular leader who disgraced Islam and Sharia law! 9/11 was the perfect excuse for the NeoCon Wolfowitz plan to establish a military foothold of permanent bases in the Middle East to protect oil and natural gas interests! The American public given one sided intelligence of WMD and nuclear attacks within 45 minutes would naturally support it out of fear!
Not true. Those that have succumbed to the narcotic of blame and hate us for their own self-inflicted societal wounds, hated us long before 9/11. We should not be afraid of alienating those that already see us as an enemy. Their hate goes much deeper than some worldy agenda. Remember, they have "God" on their side.Mr. D said:We played right into Osama Bin Ladin's hands and increased his support and recruitment!
Mr. D said:If we had avoided the NeoCon plan and used the world's support after 9/11 just going after Al Qaida we would have tremendous world support including Muslims! Instead we thumbed our nose at the world!
Mr. D said:I've traveled to most every country from Ireland to the Baltics, from Turkey to China and the American people are loved everywhere I went contrary to what we are told here! They just fear Bush and our current leadership and don't understand why half of Americans are blind to what's going on!
Donkey1499 said:War creates heroes!
-Pithy enough, Billo?
dragonslayer said:Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and Hitler invaded poland, Bush invaded Iraq,
dragonslayer said:Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and Hitler invaded poland, Bush invaded Iraq,
kal-el said:Haha, ever get the feeling that we went after the wrong guy? No evidence of nukes were ever uncovered, but Iran could very well get a nuke shortly, and our hands are kinda tied in Iraq on this mawkish escapade. Maybe we should have left Saddam in power, as he seemed to think he was the "power" of the Middle East, he could do our job for us, keeping Iran in check.
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