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Why did the War start?

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Your Master has been quite perplexed on this issue for some time... Tell me humans... Why did the war start?
 

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From a previous post...

I think the UN was under the assumption that sanctions
would be imposed, the inspectors would come in and
monitor the destruction of chemical & biological weapons
that he already had, and then the sanctions would be lifted.

But Saddam threw in the monkey wrench...He STOPPED the
inspections and kicked the inspectors out. The UN sanctions
didn't have the intent they thought it would, but the UN would
look incredibly stupid if they lifted them after Saddam
removed the inspectors, so to save face, they left the sanctions on.

Now Saddam knew the UN buckled...the ball was in his court...
He'll get the sympathy vote from the Arab nations that the big,
bad UN had killed the little children. Not that he really cared.

So the UN went for Round 2...Inspection time again!

First, the UN would put on that "determined" look and ratify
Resolution 1441, which says, "Saddam's been screwing up; if he
continues to screw up, we might do something extreme." Saddam must've
hurt his abdomen laughing at that one...The only thing they've done
in ten years was put on sanctions, which he was getting around anyway...
What were they going to do next? Put up a billboard saying, "Saddam's
not a very good person"?

This time, Saddam said he would allow inspectors as long as the head
of the inspection team was not American...Guess what?...The UN said "OK"!

Since when was any of the UN demands negotiable?...The UN, as the world
speaking with one voice, should've said "NO...YOU do things OUR way...
not the other way around." The Buckle Boys are VERY consistent...

Meanwhile, the US said, you know what?...These sanctions aren't hurting
the regime...they're hurting the people...and if the UN is stupid enough
to keep this 3-card monte game up, we're gonna have to do this ourselves.

But Bush knew the American people are fickle. If he told them that he
was going into Iraq to free the people and get the sanctions off of
the people's back, the Americans would've yawned and said, "Keep it
down...I'm watching Sex & the City."

So he used data from the previous administration that was outdated and
incomplete recent data and stirred up the troops with the "threat" angle.
It was a complete roll of the dice, and, as we've learned, came up craps.

It probably would've shocked him if WMDs were actually found, but by this time,
he had what he wanted...An open window to get rid of a bad guy and to plant
the seeds of Democracy. Just like childbirth, he knew it was going to be painful,
both in military and political policies, but he knows that, long term, the world will
be better off for it...Let the critics bitch & moan...

Hell, Abe Lincoln was elected President for a second term with only 39% of
the vote! Nine states had ZERO votes for him! And I don't think Abe get
crapped on for what he did, does he? Bush is following the same form...

Hate him now...hate him all you want...but in about 20, 30, or even
50 years from now, when most, if not all, of the dictatorships in the Middle
East are gone and Democracy rules the roost...look back to April, 2003...
Watch the Saddam statue coming down...then you'll know why this was all started.

insert picture of waving flag with a Sousa march in the background...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=60786&postcount=8
 
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cnredd said:
From a previous post...

I think the UN was under the assumption that sanctions
would be imposed, the inspectors would come in and
monitor the destruction of chemical & biological weapons
that he already had, and then the sanctions would be lifted.

But Saddam threw in the monkey wrench...He STOPPED the
inspections and kicked the inspectors out. The UN sanctions
didn't have the intent they thought it would, but the UN would
look incredibly stupid if they lifted them after Saddam
removed the inspectors, so to save face, they left the sanctions on.

Now Saddam knew the UN buckled...the ball was in his court...
He'll get the sympathy vote from the Arab nations that the big,
bad UN had killed the little children. Not that he really cared.

So the UN went for Round 2...Inspection time again!

First, the UN would put on that "determined" look and ratify
Resolution 1441, which says, "Saddam's been screwing up; if he
continues to screw up, we might do something extreme." Saddam must've
hurt his abdomen laughing at that one...The only thing they've done
in ten years was put on sanctions, which he was getting around anyway...
What were they going to do next? Put up a billboard saying, "Saddam's
not a very good person"?

This time, Saddam said he would allow inspectors as long as the head
of the inspection team was not American...Guess what?...The UN said "OK"!

Since when was any of the UN demands negotiable?...The UN, as the world
speaking with one voice, should've said "NO...YOU do things OUR way...
not the other way around." The Buckle Boys are VERY consistent...

Meanwhile, the US said, you know what?...These sanctions aren't hurting
the regime...they're hurting the people...and if the UN is stupid enough
to keep this 3-card monte game up, we're gonna have to do this ourselves.

But Bush knew the American people are fickle. If he told them that he
was going into Iraq to free the people and get the sanctions off of
the people's back, the Americans would've yawned and said, "Keep it
down...I'm watching Sex & the City."

So he used data from the previous administration that was outdated and
incomplete recent data and stirred up the troops with the "threat" angle.
It was a complete roll of the dice, and, as we've learned, came up craps.

It probably would've shocked him if WMDs were actually found, but by this time,
he had what he wanted...An open window to get rid of a bad guy and to plant
the seeds of Democracy. Just like childbirth, he knew it was going to be painful,
both in military and political policies, but he knows that, long term, the world will
be better off for it...Let the critics bitch & moan...

Hell, Abe Lincoln was elected President for a second term with only 39% of
the vote! Nine states had ZERO votes for him! And I don't think Abe get
crapped on for what he did, does he? Bush is following the same form...

Hate him now...hate him all you want...but in about 20, 30, or even
50 years from now, when most, if not all, of the dictatorships in the Middle
East are gone and Democracy rules the roost...look back to April, 2003...
Watch the Saddam statue coming down...then you'll know why this was all started.

insert picture of waving flag with a Sousa march in the background...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=60786&postcount=8


Cool Post cnredd. I like the way it was put and how it glorifies Bush in the end.
 
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Ivan The Terrible said:
Your Master has been quite perplexed on this issue for some time... Tell me humans... Why did the war start?

Because you started it!!! You didn't like the people of the middle east, because they weren't glorifying you in any way what so ever.
 

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To put yourself on the ground in Kuwait....

The Marines arrived and staged a few miles from the Iraqi border. After a day, we moved up to the Kuwaiti burm and my unit (7th Marines) staged directly in front of Safwan Hill. Our orders were to wait for the attack. The war was going to start one of three ways.

1) The order would be given from the Commander in Chief.
2) -or- We would kick off the assault if we were attacked.
3) -or- The oil fields were set ablaze.

Number two and number three happened. After parking almost on their border for a few hours and provoking them, the Iraqi forces got nervous and started dropping arty on Darkside's (3/4) pos on the Kuwaiti side. We in turn began dropping bombs all over Safwan Hill. (It was quite a sight.) After a couple hours of pummeling Safwan, they started setting the oil fields ablaze. The order was given to start the invasion. President Bush was informed after the Commanders made the decision (Little known fact).

Our main objective was to get to the "Crown Jewel" and protect it until rear units caught up to us (Eventually, the mission of protecting it was left to the Royal British Marines). The Crown Jewel was the name given to the main oil junction point near the coast. Dismissing the obtuse sentiments of people to whine about "No war for oil," this junction point was very important to the economic gains for the future free and democratic Iraq. Anyway, 3rd LAR (Light Armored Reconnaisance Vehicles) moved forward to Safwan Hill and began lighting it up with 30 mike mike as we raced passed them towards our objective. However, my unit was cut off by an approaching mass of Iraqi tanks (27). We had to engage. The mission to get to the "Crown Jewel" went to Force Recon and a SEAL Team. As they flew into the objective, the Iraqi forces abandoned their defense. Recon and the SEALS spent quite a few hours dismantling C4 and other explosives on the pipes.



....and that's why it started in the sand.
 

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cnredd said:
But Bush knew the American people are fickle. If he told them that he
was going into Iraq to free the people and get the sanctions off of
the people's back, the Americans would've yawned and said, "Keep it
down...I'm watching Sex & the City."

So he used data from the previous administration that was outdated and
incomplete recent data and stirred up the troops with the "threat" angle.
It was a complete roll of the dice, and, as we've learned, came up craps.

It probably would've shocked him if WMDs were actually found, but by this time,

Ever read the Downing Street Memo? I scanned it once a while back. It just seems to say a bunch of guys got together and realized they couldn't sell the war because it was just the right moral thing to do, so they came up with all the other reasons. Which, while all true, were not the real reasons. Eventually, I think it will turn out that fate was kind to us by giving us these stated reasons that just happened to go along with what needs to be done and it the right thing to do.

And to answer Ivan the eee. IMO, to keep mushroom clouds away from this country in the future.
 

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I hope you all realize that there are good medicines out there for Paranoid Schizophrenia!

Now why would any good conformist American like yourself be concerned?

Let's just stop with the small talk and get right into your arrogant regressions of grandiosity and morality.

:rofl
 

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Conflict said:
I hope you all realize that there are good medicines out there for Paranoid Schizophrenia?

Now why would any good conformist American like yourself be concerned?

Let's just stop with the small talk and get right into your arrogant regressions of grandiosity and morality.

:rofl

What?????????????
 

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-"mushroom clouds"

C'mon America! Be Scared of the Boogey Man.

How can one wage a war on terror and yet be so conducive to it's (terror's) application?

Guess what? We're not scared! MWuahaH!
 

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You play Halo 2 also? Awesomo!!!!

Berenger is to me in tactic what Bearden is to scalars.
 

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Conflict said:
I hope you all realize that there are good medicines out there for Paranoid Schizophrenia!
I should not concerned with the words and actions of Iran? And nither should the other people in my skull? (I've named them all teacher so when I talk to them others just think I'm talking to myself).
Now why would any good conformist American like yourself be concerned?
Paranoid schizophrentic conformist? Jumbo shrimp.
Let's just stop with the small talk and get right into your arrogant regressions of grandiosity and morality.
Must be me. Can you say that in little words please? I'm haughtily deevolving to a less advanced state of self importance and a simplistic notion of right and wrong? My stupidity keeps me from understanding the subtle nuances of todays complicated world?

You went through a lot of trouble to call some names.


Are you telling us you are laughing at your own wit?
 

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Not really. Berenger is to me in tactic what Bearden is to scalars.

And cheesebergers are no longer American if you don't use American Cheese (yellow or white) on them. Swiss cheese is for P***ies!
 

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I should not concerned with the words and actions of Iran? And nither should the other people in my skull? (I've named them all teacher so when I talk to them others just think I'm talking to myself).

Paranoid schizophrentic conformist? Jumbo shrimp.

Must be me. Can you say that in little words please? I'm haughtily deevolving to a less advanced state of self importance and a simplistic notion of right and wrong? My stupidity keeps me from understanding the subtle nuances of todays complicated world?

You went through a lot of trouble to call some names.



Are you telling us you are laughing at your own wit?

What's wrong with laughing at yourself? I do it all the time!!! I laugh at my own material. But what exactly is an American Conformist? Does he mean that it's wrong to be pro-American?
 

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Conflict said:
-"mushroom clouds"

C'mon America! Be Scared of the Boogey Man.

How can one wage a war on terror and yet be so conducive to it's (terror's) application?

Guess what? We're not scared! MWuahaH!

If Atta had a nuke would he have used it on 9/11 instead of planes?


Boogey man knocked down some buildings, remember?

Boogey man often publically brags he's gonna get us.

Lot's of little Jewish children have been blown up by the boogey man.

What's your point dude? I'm not getting it. Just say it.
 

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If Atta had a nuke would he have used it on 9/11 instead of planes?


Boogey man knocked down some buildings, remember?

Boogey man often publically brags he's gonna get us.

Lot's of little Jewish children have been blown up by the boogey man.

What's your point dude? I'm not getting it. Just say it.

Boogey man? He lives in my chicken coop and scares all the weasels away.
 

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I should not concerned with the words and actions of Iran? And nither should the other people in my skull? (I've named them all teacher so when I talk to them others just think I'm talking to myself).

Not really. Unless, of course, you seem to be of the delusion that our intelligent apparatus could not independently monitor their proliferation.

Wasn't it you that brought up tempest in another thread? WOOPS!

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Paranoid schizophrentic conformist? Jumbo shrimp.

I love shrimp. THey're like the simpletons. Like yourself. ;)

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Must be me. Can you say that in little words please? I'm haughtily deevolving to a less advanced state of self importance and a simplistic notion of right and wrong? My stupidity keeps me from understanding the subtle nuances of todays complicated world?
Couldn't have said it better myself!

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You went through a lot of trouble to call some names.

What name did I call you? Paranoid Schizophrenic isn't a name or a title... it's a term that describes a severe delusional state of unwarranted threat.



teacher said:
Are you telling us you are laughing at your own wit?

No, obviously I am laughing at anyone who thinks that they are such the semantical polyglot that they can use such banter to ridicule the facts of the matter.
 

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Conflict said:
teacher said:
Not really. Unless, of course, you seem to be of the delusion that our intelligent apparatus could not independently monitor their proliferation.

Wasn't it you that brought up tempest in another thread? WOOPS!



I love shrimp. THey're like the simpletons. Like yourself. ;)

TEACHER said:
Must be me. Can you say that in little words please? I'm haughtily deevolving to a less advanced state of self importance and a simplistic notion of right and wrong? My stupidity keeps me from understanding the subtle nuances of todays complicated world?
Couldn't have said it better myself!



What name did I call you? Paranoid Schizophrenic isn't a name or a title... it's a term that describes a severe delusional state of unwarranted threat.





No, obviously I am laughing at anyone who thinks that they are such the semantical polyglot that they can use such banter to ridicule the facts of the matter.

That was cold. You're just as bad as the people you hate.
 

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And cheesebergers are no longer American if you don't use American Cheese (yellow or white) on them. Swiss cheese is for P***ies!

I prefer the Mexican blend..... it allows them darn terrorists to come right through our Southern and Western borders. :O
 

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Donkey1499 said:
teacher said:
What's wrong with laughing at yourself?
Nothing. It's the main reason I come here. To amuse myself. But do you tell us when you are laughing at your own jokes? I'm funny?
I do it all the time!!! I laugh at my own material.
I laughed for two days over Hitler's dog.
But what exactly is an American Conformist?
We all conform to some idea of another. He's just trying to sound smart and insult us.
Does he mean that it's wrong to be pro-American?
Pro-Bush.

What does Conflict have in common with a frog with the hiccups?

Girls will kiss the frog.

teacher is now laughing at his lame joke. Just don't seem right.
 

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teacher said:
If Atta had a nuke would he have used it on 9/11 instead of planes?


Boogey man knocked down some buildings, remember?

Boogey man often publically brags he's gonna get us.

Lot's of little Jewish children have been blown up by the boogey man.

What's your point dude? I'm not getting it. Just say it.

I've never been one to deny your lack of comprehension.

Bush is a boogeyman incahoots with boogeymen.

Capiche'?
 

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I prefer the Mexican blend..... it allows them darn terrorists to come right through our Southern and Western borders. :O

But, John Wayne was a cowboy of some sort. Perhaps Injun Joe would know more about pineapple seeds.
 

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Donkey1499 said:
Nothing. It's the main reason I come here. To amuse myself. But do you tell us when you are laughing at your own jokes? I'm funny?

I laughed for two days over Hitler's dog.

We all conform to some idea of another. He's just trying to sound smart and insult us.

Pro-Bush.

What does Conflict have in common with a frog with the hiccups?

Girls will kiss the frog.

teacher is now laughing at his lame joke. Just don't seem right.

Well, sometimes I add an "LOL" at the end of a post or sentence to let people know that I'm joking.

I think he meant "Pro-American", you know, because being an American and loving it is a bad thing.

You know frogs have in common with toads? They both say "ribbit"! LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 
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