Mr. D said:
GySgt,
Originally Posted by Mr. D
The support that the "murdering terrorist" Osama Bin Ladin gets from many is because his goal is to drive the U.S. out of the Middle East and reduce it's blind support of Israel! Those are the unifying cards he's playing! Our leaders' stubborn ignorance have played right into his hand!
You said,
"Bin Ladin's goal is not worldly. Try to be smarter than his contradictory words.
Somehow you got the idea I said some majority of Muslims support Bin Ladin. I didn't, but he does have support among uniformed and mistreated Muslims. Every time we make a dumb move that hurts innocent Muslims we help his recruiting!
Three questions for you, (1.) What did Osama Bin Ladin specifically say his reasons where for attacking the U.S.? (Not Bush's words, Osama's words!) (2.) What do you think Osama Bin Ladin's long term game plan/strategy was in attacking U.S. Embassies and 9/11? Is he so dumb as not to have learned the lesson of Pearl Harbor and predicted we'd respond? What did he hope our response would be? (3.) Have we thwarted his long term strategy or played right into it?
I won't be rude enough to assume anything about your knowledge about Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda, but a person needs to know about Bin Ladin's background, level of intelligence, administrative and organizational abilities and past accomplishments before answering. How many Americans know about Bin Ladin's role in driving the USSR out of Afghanistan and saving tens of thousands of lives by stopping the initial genocide against Muslims by the Serbians? He's vastly underestimated as it should be obvious by now. Clinton missed a number of assassinations in Sudan and he's still out there today. We'd be wise to start listening and learning about our enemies instead of making the Vietnam mistake over and over again!
Good discussing with you! I was a Staff Sgt. in the U.S. Army! Never in combat. Thank you for your service to our country!
Bin Laden is wrong. Review the history of Iran. Focus on last century during and after WWII. His worldy goals match the Ayatollah Khomeini's. However, Bin Laden is twisted and wants to jump start armegeddon.
1) His claims are wild. He fights for revenge of a largely imagined "Palestine" and he claims that we order Arab governments to mistreat Muslims. He also does not like American bases on Muslim soil.
*He's full of ****. He claims to be this great man for Islam, but when it all boils down to the core, he is just one more theologic tyrant who wants conquest, but because of us he can't have it. We are a scapegoat. He blames us for his own people's self inflicted wounds. The Saudi elite have not built schools, libraries, maintain a low valuation on education. Their own religion oppresses them. Fanatics always look to blame "non-believers" and in the Middle East the narcotic of choice is blame.
2) He is practicing the tactics of the Muslim Brotherhood and of the Iranian Ayatollah Khomeini. He wishes to wage enough terror on us to exact our response to unite the Muslim people. Thisis the same old tactic we saw from Saddam and his of scuds on Israel during the Gulf War and the same tactic Khomeini sought to use.
3) There is no way around it but to fight it. The key to victory against Bin Ladden is the IO war, in which we are losing. The robot Radical element of the Middle East, who already hate us thanks to theologic brainwashing to divert blame from their own governments to the "Great Satan" are falling right in line with what the narcotic demands of them.
Let's talk about Bin Laden...
A man named Sayyid Qutb was an Egyptian intellectual, author, and Islamist associated with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. He created the Muslim Brotherhood in 1929. He is best known for his theoretical work on redefining the role of Islamic fundamentalism in social and political change. He is known as the father of modern-day Radical Islam. His extensive Quranic commentary
Fi zilal al-Qur'an has contributed significantly to modern perceptions of Islamic concepts such as jihad, jahiliyyah, and umma. He was accused of plotting to overthrow the state of Egypt and executed by hanging in 1966 by Egypt.
Qutb's brother, Muhammad Qutb, moved to Saudi Arabia where he became a professor of Islamic Studies. The influence of Qutb and his work extends across the whole spectrum of Islamism and is seen across the Middle East. One of
Muhammad Qutb's students and an ardent follower was
Ayman Zawahiri, who later became the mentor of
Osama bin Laden. His teachings has indeed been deep rooted in Saudi Arabia and has been adopted by the "House of Saud," the true lords of terror, as a means to oppress and control their people. (I find their current efforts of running around the Saudi desert chasing down their own fundamentals as poetic justice.) America's guilt in this is that, as long as the oil flowed, we have traditionally looked the other way while they have used us as a scapegoat for everyone of their self-inflicted failures.
"Religion" is often only a tool to masque a person's own selfish needs. A civilization has gotten lost within it's passed down traditions, which do not work in the 21st century. Osama Bin Laden is the perfect example. The health of any religious community can be gauged by the degree to which it rejects these bloody apostles of terror, and the Islamic world's acceptance of apocalyptic terrorists as heroes is perhaps the most profound indicator of it's spiritual crisis and decay. Make no mistake: The terrorist "martyrs" of 9/11, and Osama Bin Laden will be remembered by Islamic historians and by generation after generation of Muslims children as great heroes in the struggle for true religion and justice - no matter what Islamic governments may say to please us, many millions of Muslims around the world felt tremendous pride in the atrocities of New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. This makes it all the more vital that the United States kill Osama Bin Laden, exterminate Al-Queda, destroy the Taliban completely, and depose any governments found to have supported theirs or their own Islamic terrorism. If Osama survives to thumb his nose at an "impotent superpower," he will attract hundreds of thousands of supporters, and tens of millions more sympathizers. He is already a hero, and he must not be allowed to remain a triumphant one. An apocalyptic terrorist of the worst kind, his superficial agenda (deposing the government of Saudi Arabia, expelling U.S. troops from the Middle East, imposing Sharia Law) is nothing compared to his compulsion to slaughter and destroy.
Although his vision is closer to the grimmest passages of Revelation than to anything in the Koran, Osama has been able to convince countless Muslims that his vision is of the purist and proudest Islamic form. This should be a huge warning flag to the west about the spiritual crisis in the Middle East. This battle is being fought within the realms of the emotions and soul, not of the intelligent. We face a situation that is so perverse that it is as if tens of millions of frustrated Christians decided that Kali, the Hindu Goddess of death and destruction, embodies the true teachings of Jesus Christ. One cannot have much sympathy with Osama bin Laden, whose vision of a vengeful god, thirsty for infidel blood, is utter blasphemy. Nor could any decent human being excuse the acts of terror committed by his followers, or by Palestinian suicide bombers or by any of the morally crippled youths who murder in the name of their religion.
