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Why can’t I find a job...I went to college!

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distraff said:
Well I am going to do what I do best and totally over-analyze this post.

The vast majority of students aren't spending 225 grand on college. The average student loan debt is about 30 grand and borrowing more than 100 grand is extremely unusual. The average auto mechanic is making about $17.5 per hour so this college student would have to be earning some really bad money or the mechanic must be really high-earning compared to others in his field. You mention sitting behind a computer and pushing information around as an example of a job people can't get. These boring office jobs actually tend to be the best paying and most in-demand like software development, accounting, finance, etc. The jobs people have a hard time getting a job in are liberal arts and academia degrees.
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You are way off.Auto mechanics(not those working at fast lube joints) are getting 30-50 dollars an hour.
 
PoppyCock said:
Not everyone is silly enough to share personal details on a forum filled with hateful leftist that will use it to ridicule you.
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That's what I figured you would think.
My wife and I have helped about a dozen vets get their ratings, bennies etc straightened out, reevaluated and even straight up connected them with the help they needed to GET their disability in the first place.

While you're running around pretending you're the expert on liberals, using words you don't understand or trying to outdo grim17 with his by now famous "race card" ... people you don't even know actually do try to help others, and politics has nothing to do with it.

I asked because I am keenly aware that despite an overall excellent reputation for service and care, there ARE indeed a few VA facilities which are what can only be termed "incorrigible" and beyond redemption. There are also a few that used to have terrible reputations but which have improved dramatically. Still others, like Long Beach CA where my wife goes, were SO BAD that they inspired the true story behind "Born on the Fourth of July" back in the 1960's but now Long Beach is among the best in the country.
So I asked what year and what VA because I wanted to know if it was one of the known problem VA's.
I asked because I wanted to be of some help.

But you wouldn't know that. And it's obvious as to why. You think you know everything, that's why. :lamo

(A couple of "hateful leftists" out abusing others at the National Veterans Wheelchair Games, June 2003, Long Beach CA)

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gulfman said:
You are way off.Auto mechanics(not those working at fast lube joints) are getting 30-50 dollars an hour.
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Not at Firestone, or Pep Boys, or a good many other outfits. And those outfits do a lot more than just lube jobs.
The 30-50 an hour positions are at highly rated reputable indies and dealers.

The original post said ENTRY LEVEL, something you clearly did not pick up on.
Entry level mechanics DO NOT START OUT AT the local Audi dealers and what not.
They START out the chicken**** places, making ENTRY LEVEL money.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That's what I figured you would think.
My wife and I have helped about a dozen vets get their ratings, bennies etc straightened out, reevaluated and even straight up connected them with the help they needed to GET their disability in the first place.

While you're running around pretending you're the expert on liberals, using words you don't understand or trying to outdo grim17 with his by now famous "race card" ... people you don't even know actually do try to help others, and politics has nothing to do with it.

I asked because I am keenly aware that despite an overall excellent reputation for service and care, there ARE indeed a few VA facilities which are what can only be termed "incorrigible" and beyond redemption. There are also a few that used to have terrible reputations but which have improved dramatically. Still others, like Long Beach CA where my wife goes, were SO BAD that they inspired the true story behind "Born on the Fourth of July" back in the 1960's but now Long Beach is among the best in the country.
So I asked what year and what VA because I wanted to know if it was one of the known problem VA's.
I asked because I wanted to be of some help.

But you wouldn't know that. And it's obvious as to why. You think you know everything, that's why. :lamo

(A couple of "hateful leftists" out abusing others at the National Veterans Wheelchair Games, June 2003, Long Beach CA)

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You may be the nicest guy in the world, no one here really knows, but anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the past three years knows what doxing is.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The dose you take in a nuke plant is strictly regulated by the dosimeter badge that you are issued each and every day.
If your dosimeter indicates that you got enough to trigger the badge, that's an event or incident. No nuke plant tech is "expected to take a dose" as part of their job. The job involves personal protective gear and strict adherence to operational guidelines, including what to do in the event of a radiation release, which is again, as I said, an incident or event which is reported to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the DOE.

In other words, it makes the nightly news, because it is a workplace injury, not a normal "part of the job".
My father never got dosed in all his thirty years in the industry. My wife DID get dosed in the Navy, which is why she's been in a wheelchair for twenty years with a bad kidney and a bad bladder, and it's also why our son was born with five serious heart defects.

Refueling a nuke plant is not a haphazard event where radiation just leaks willy nilly as a normal happenstance, and whoever says that it is does not know what they are talking about.

A friend I've known since junior high school days, recently retired from the Turkey Point nuke plant in Florida...twenty years on the job as a tech, never got a single dose, not even 1 μSv.

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i never said you were expected to take dos, pretty sure I said your only limit in earnings is dosing our, but when ya do you’re moved to an easy job, like in the fab shop, maybe even a cook, he’ll you might be makin’ belt buckles for da men. Again sorry to hear about your wife, she’s lovely. And your kids, damn! I can’t imagime. I get now your desire for pre-existing condition, my family requires that too.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Isn't it a pity that one party hamstrung unions to the point where few of them are able to sponsor apprentices anymore.
An enormous number of my extended family came up through union apprenticeship in the very trades you speak of.
In the days when unions were respected, that is how one got a start.

What days were those? You would be surprised, especially if you were born after 1980.
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I came up in MY chosen trade through the union, too.

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Studying for.my journeyman's test as we speak!
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The dose you take in a nuke plant is strictly regulated by the dosimeter badge that you are issued each and every day.
If your dosimeter indicates that you got enough to trigger the badge, that's an event or incident. No nuke plant tech is "expected to take a dose" as part of their job. The job involves personal protective gear and strict adherence to operational guidelines, including what to do in the event of a radiation release, which is again, as I said, an incident or event which is reported to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the DOE.

In other words, it makes the nightly news, because it is a workplace injury, not a normal "part of the job".
My father never got dosed in all his thirty years in the industry. My wife DID get dosed in the Navy, which is why she's been in a wheelchair for twenty years with a bad kidney and a bad bladder, and it's also why our son was born with five serious heart defects.

Refueling a nuke plant is not a haphazard event where radiation just leaks willy nilly as a normal happenstance, and whoever says that it is does not know what they are talking about.

A friend I've known since junior high school days, recently retired from the Turkey Point nuke plant in Florida...twenty years on the job as a tech, never got a single dose, not even 1 μSv.

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also your buddy’s wrong, you are getting radiation, and no you would not hear about it on the nightly news unless it were well above the limit. PM me if ya wanna know more, that’s all I’m prepair to say about it in an open forum.
 
Personally, right now I have experienced, what I hear, and have read, many companies do not want to hire entry-level people when the economy is good, they can just as easily headhunt someone with more experience for very little money, all you have to do is offer them an extra 5k-10k in salary and most will jump ship. Of course companies also have to replace their experienced staff who get hunted by other companies. Companies have little incentive to train their own staff when times are good. Is it sustainable in the long term? No. But 99.9% of companies have never exactly been good at long-term planning especially when it comes to HR and IT.

My friends and I, especially those in specialized high demand niches like myself are suffering from this effect. The ones who do have jobs usually either got lucky or have family contacts.

Trades are not the golden bullet either, many trades are now entering the oversaturated category of employment now too. The trades also suffer from the above effect as well. Why take on an apprentice you have to train when you can just hire a guy who already knows what he is doing from somewhere else with a small pay increase?
 
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AmNat said:
You may be the nicest guy in the world, no one here really knows, but anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the past three years knows what doxing is.
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You're still barking up the wrong tree, there is no payoff in that for me. I have a lot more on my plate than harassing people on the internet.
 
Thingfish said:
i never said you were expected to take dos, pretty sure I said your only limit in earnings is dosing our, but when ya do you’re moved to an easy job, like in the fab shop, maybe even a cook, he’ll you might be makin’ belt buckles for da men. Again sorry to hear about your wife, she’s lovely. And your kids, damn! I can’t imagime. I get now your desire for pre-existing condition, my family requires that too.
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The Affordable Care Act is deeply flawed. Even liberals understand that. There's an old saying about how "you don't really want to know how the sausage gets made".
Well, what we ended up with is "sausage" and we watched it "get made" and it was a very sloppy and distasteful process courtesy of the crooks in Congress. Nearly every congress critter had to have a say in the ingredients, and they all wanted to have a bite before it was put on the plate and set before this great nation.

It needs to be fixed. I am not sure that all the issues can be fixed but I know for sure that going back to what we were stuck with prior to the ACA would be a nightmare, and the end of the line for millions of Americans, many of whom are in a worse pickle than our family is.

This issue is too important to allow it to get tangled up in the usual political grandstanding. Too many Americans are in deep trouble. Either they fell through the cracks and "Obamacare" has left them in a worse position than before or they qualify for help and the state they live in has set off the depth charges to sink the ship that would save them.

We still pay way too much for too little care, and dollar for dollar, we're getting a crappy deal compared to a lot of other countries. We cannot just carbon copy what they do, but we have to do something, something new perhaps.
And if we want it to be good and just and proper, the two warring camps are going to have to put their weapons down and make a decision to go "all hands on deck" and think of the good of the country in order to solve this problem.

If Donald Trump were to stand up tomorrow and say that he "wants to fix Obamacare and work side by side with both Democrats and Republicans, and that he expects both sides to be especially cooperative with each other and put aside the usual nastiness for the good of the country", you would be witness to a Hell Freezes Over moment where I stand up and cheer for Donald Trump.
 
Thingfish said:
also your buddy’s wrong, you are getting radiation, and no you would not hear about it on the nightly news unless it were well above the limit. PM me if ya wanna know more, that’s all I’m prepair to say about it in an open forum.
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She wore a dosimeter badge every day she worked there. It never went off.
There is no problem talking openly here about that stuff.

My wife's best friend also worked as a tech at the nuke plant in Russellville, Arkansas.
Same story, dosimeter badges, never an alert.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
She wore a dosimeter badge every day she worked there. It never went off.
There is no problem talking openly here about that stuff.

My wife's best friend also worked as a tech at the nuke plant in Russellville, Arkansas.
Same story, dosimeter badges, never an alert.
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Well then they never worked at a leaky ole nuke, the first thing you do is carry and hang lead sheets in the immediate area, when you get your dos...you’re done, but kept busy for the rest of the outage...most of the time! It’s a nice gig. Further, getting “silk wooded” is nothing, happens all the time, and no the media will never hear about it.
 
Thingfish said:
Why can’t I find a job...I went to college, I spent $225 grand and my nieghbor who’s a grease ball mechanic in the building trades is making three times what I used to make.

Well Boo hoo hoo, suck it up cup cake, you bought into it, go back to night school and pick ya up a wrench, we can’t all sit behind a computer and produce nothing for the Country opting to push money and information around. Wait wait wait!...you can always teach, bwahhaaa
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My metro area has 9,500 open I.T. jobs; outstate has an equal number.
 
What if...? said:
Stagehand, of course!

Not sure another union would have me!
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Excellent, so glad you're in the IA...don't forget that you can always migrate to another local if you pick up experience in the other crafts. You might start out as a stagehand but you could very well wind up as an Assistant Camera or just about anything you desire. If you're in the IA, you're in!

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AncientGeek said:
My metro area has 9,500 open I.T. jobs; outstate has an equal number.
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well that’s good, then when the stuff hits the fan, and infrastructure needs rebuilding, maybe you can find some part time work...cause computers will be down and we’ll effectively be back in the 1800’s reading by candle light.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Excellent, so glad you're in the IA...don't forget that you can always migrate to another local if you pick up experience in the other crafts. You might start out as a stagehand but you could very well wind up as an Assistant Camera or just about anything you desire. If you're in the IA, you're in!

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Thanks!

I'm already specializing in video for conferences. Projection, switching, video walls etc. Kinda angling to be a road crew guy so I can live wherever I want.

The 122 wants us all to be stagehands first and specialists second and I agree.

I don't have lots of regrets but I regret not joining ten years earlier when my big brother tried to bring me in.

I love this job!
 
Thingfish said:
Well then they never worked at a leaky ole nuke, the first thing you do is carry and hang lead sheets in the immediate area, when you get your dos...you’re done, but kept busy for the rest of the outage...most of the time! It’s a nice gig. Further, getting “silk wooded” is nothing, happens all the time, and no the media will never hear about it.
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Not saying that it has never happened, or that nukes are perfect, I'm saying that it's still a workplace injury.
Karen Silkwood received forty times the legal limit of radioactive contamination in her system.

So, "getting Silkwooded" is not something that should be regarded as "nothing", and if it is, that represents a problem.
The leaky old nukes are being decommissioned one after another. It is time we moved on to new designs, relying on nuclear reactor designs from the time of our grandfathers is not the way to go.

I imagine you are familiar with Admiral Hyman Rickover, also known as the father of the nuclear Navy.
One of Rickover's most profound and yet most underrated achievements was his safety record.
 
Thingfish said:
well that’s good, then when the stuff hits the fan, and infrastructure needs rebuilding, maybe you can find some part time work...cause computers will be down and we’ll effectively be back in the 1800’s reading by candle light.
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Why is it that you're only capable of speaking in extremes and attacking the importance of other people's jobs? Who here has insulted mechanics or technicians? You've done nothing but insult college educated jobs.
 
What if...? said:
Thanks!

I'm already specializing in video for conferences. Projection, switching, video walls etc. Kinda angling to be a road crew guy so I can live wherever I want.

The 122 wants us all to be stagehands first and specialists second and I agree.

I don't have lots of regrets but I regret not joining ten years earlier when my big brother tried to bring me in.

I love this job!
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I regret not joining Local 600 (back then known as 659) at the same time I joined 700 (known as 776 then) because that would have kept me active when the major networks started dropping all their feature film programming and handing it off to cable.
I was offered a slot in 600 (Camera Dept) and was convinced I would be too busy.

But I did have seven very rewarding years anyway. I still managed to spend the next thirty years doing both Camera Dept and editing, just was non-union on the camera side, that's all. So that is my main regret.
 
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