YoungConserv
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Yes but I have a choice on which private sector organization we join u cant do that with government.
Sure we are. Compare our standard of living to theirs.
Yes but I have a choice on which private sector organization we join u cant do that with government.
My point is simple in a global market or global economy if you will nations must compete to keep up or they wind up borrowing money.
Any nation that depends on other nations for fuel, labor, material and products is not competing as much.
Paying other nation's labor is not competing nor helping America.
Imports from other nations to America xxxx; exports to other nations from America xeace
America 15 trillion in debt
China holding a IOU worth 93 million +
My standard of living would be high to if I was in debt up to my eyes.eace
He felt he cared it so much that he needed to destroy it.Hitler didn't care about socialism he cared about Hitler
You can find very few people who care more socialism than Stalin. He knew too well that if there was no Socialism, there would be no Stalin.Stalin didn't care about socialism he cared about Stalin
Yes, the socialist way, but all veiled differently.Dictators can get power the same way.
If you reverse the order of this statement, you will make a better statement.Faciest are far worce than socialisteace
If you do some homework in history, you will not have this question.Well if communist are doing worse than capitalist. How come Capitalist have to borrow money from Communist?eace
Are you really so anxious of turning the table between the creditor and the debtor? Here is a simple magic if you would:America 15 trillion in debt
China holding a IOU worth 93 million +
My standard of living would be high to if I was in debt up to my eyes.eace
Well, it involves the explanation of the nature of Socialists.Better yet, convince the Chinese government to provide the same worker protections and social benefits, and see how much $$$ they have.
every country is corrupt in one way or another, regardless of if they're socialist or not.. You can't tell me capitalism is a fair system when it revolves around exploiting the poor and benefiting the rich. People are fast to slag off communism and socialism, but these systems have only failed due to the minority trying to sieze power for themselves, which is not technically socialism either. At least the theory and idea of socilaism is actually very good, and beneficial to everyone, which is much more than what can be said about capitalism. Bear in mind in the west most people are born into being 'rich' or 'poor' and a truly capitalist society tries to mantian this division of wealth and make it very difficult for a poor person to become rich. My dad works 10 hr shifts in a very unpleasurable, horribe job for very little money, so you can't tell me it's because poor people are 'lazy', and yet there are a lot of rich people (not ALL rich people) who sit on their ass all day and have WAY more money than they will ever need or spend and just sit on that money, selfishly. You can't tell me that's a fair system.
Yeah, you are damn right. Country’s set up and maintenance involves political power; absolutely power leads to absolute corruption. All socialist countries that we know of in history must expel public monitoring about the government operation, so that the socialist in power can maintain absolute power to enjoy their absolute corruption. Capitalist countries allow public monitoring, and the corruption inside the government have more chance to be exposed, absolutely corruption can be maximally lowered, but never be avoided. No society can avoid corruption; save your breath in complaining.every country is corrupt in one way or another, regardless of if they're socialist or not..
This is the exact dope that the socialists need to feed the public for them to gather social force in their conspiracy of usurping power. You think the socialists will give you a society with the fairness in your dream after they get the governmental power if you are still a very common member in the society?You can't tell me capitalism is a fair system when it revolves around exploiting the poor and benefiting the rich.
Have you ever heard of any theory not good and not beneficial to everyone but being able to recruit formidable troop of followers? There are many theories that can be much better than what is advocated by socialism in our ears, but must all we follow, too? For example, too many cults would tell you how good the heaven is, would you kill yourself to get there and convince others to do the same? You are either stupid to do this to yourself, or you are an evil not to do this but persuade others to do this while skimming benefit from those who do.At least the theory and idea of socilaism is actually very good, and beneficial to everyone, which is much more than what can be said about capitalism. Bear in mind in the west most people are born into being 'rich' or 'poor' and a truly capitalist society tries to mantian this division of wealth and make it very difficult for a poor person to become rich.
I have heard of this kind of complaint too often. Steve Jobs was once a penniless student, but he managed to have become one of the top rich in the world. I have a very close friend who was nearly penniless when arriving America. He worked 14 hours a day with two jobs when he was young. Now, after a long struggle he has his two children becoming lawyers, he retires with a leisure living. He is very grateful to what this country can provide him. All socialists ask people to believe in evolution, whose spinal idea is natural selection. Natural selection only means “no guarantee in life.” Why must the socialists ask others to guarantee their life with fairness in the capitalist society while insist to educate people in school with natural selection in order to expel Christianity? The bottom line is: greed and envy from the less able or less fortune.My dad works 10 hr shifts in a very unpleasurable, horribe job for very little money, so you can't tell me it's because poor people are 'lazy',
The rich, overall, did not sit on the money and do nothing. They must figure out good ways to maintain their wealth, in other words, to make good investment. Making good investment is a way of organizing production for the society; so they deserve the return. In doing so, they have to take risk. When they fail in their investment, will the poor come in to compensate the rich’s loss for any fairness? If the rich don’t do good investment but just sit on the money, sooner or later, they will lose everything. Indeed, unfortunately, this is part of the reason why America is going downhill. The capitalist forerunners of few generation ago in America have just left behind with many prodigal descendants besides the formidable wealth. These prodigals do not know how to manage and reinvest the vast wealth but just gradually scattering the same. Corrupt as they may be, it does not give reason for others to rob them: “pay your fair share.” This is a slogan shouted by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che, Pol Pot… all the biggest bandits in history. Unfortunately, this is a permanently lucrative slogan; more and more America picked up this slogan in their dream of envy satisfaction.and yet there are a lot of rich people (not ALL rich people) who sit on their ass all day and have WAY more money than they will ever need or spend and just sit on that money, selfishly. You can't tell me that's a fair system.
Are you really so anxious of turning the table between the creditor and the debtor? Here is a simple magic if you would:
(1) Convince the Chinese government to give up their capitalist programs and restore their high genuineness of socialism in their operation;
(2) Convince the American people to give up their socialist programs and restore as much as free trade as possible in their daily operation.
Better yet, convince the Chinese government to provide the same worker protections and social benefits, and see how much $$$ they have.
These two requirements put together form a contradicting pair.How about convincing the rich to hire more Americans
How about convincing the rich to take no tax cuts ,
Bailouts in the scale that we see few years back ―forcing a group of people to pay money so that the other group of people can have money for nothing in exchange― is a socialist operation. Unfortunately, this has been used as bait by those politicians who are either overwhelmingly full of socialist ideas or utterly incompetent in conducting capitalist economic operation. Those socialist or incompetent politicians skim the benefit of power control after laying the bait. Socialism is not necessary what poor people cry for, some rich can do the same with more enthusiasm, so long as power is dangling ahead. Marx, relying on Engels, can be seen as a rich, Lenin is from a rich family, Mao is from a rich family and Castro is from a rich family… All those rich accepting the bailout has been oriented by the socialist bait. On the other hand, the food coupon system, the abusive welfare system, the possible Obomacare are all bailout systems of 24/7/365. Express your same disgusting feeling to them all, too.no bailouts,
Giving all the research money up? Tell me how America has become a top country in science and technology. Are you living in an African mud hut, or are you living in a house (or apartment building) where tab water can be available right at the moment you want after you just get up from the couch watching TV?no research money
What is your definition of free trade and fair trade? Literarily, they are the same to me unless you give a definition to each of them.How about convincing the trade administration to stop free trade and have fair trade.
It's easy for American corporations to brag about the worker protection and social benefits they provide when they hire cheap foreign labor in a foreign land to do the work.
Start digging around and American manufacturing ain't putting up that many $$$ for worker protection or social benefits either
After all it is most difficult to protect a worker that does not have a job and hard to provide social benefits to a worker that is not working in America for an American corporation.eace
These two requirements put together form a contradicting pair.
Easy math: You have $1 to buy two apples that are $0.5 each. Now, you are forced to surrender $0.25 unconditionally for nothing, and still be required to buy two apples or even expected to buy 3 of them. Do it, show me your magic. Furthermore, the cost of the apple may go up to $0.60 each after the $0.25 is gone.
Bailouts in the scale that we see few years back ―forcing a group of people to pay money so that the other group of people can have money for nothing in exchange― is a socialist operation. Unfortunately, this has been used as bait by those politicians who are either overwhelmingly full of socialist ideas or utterly incompetent in conducting capitalist economic operation. Those socialist or incompetent politicians skim the benefit of power control after laying the bait. Socialism is not necessary what poor people cry for, some rich can do the same with more enthusiasm, so long as power is dangling ahead. Marx, relying on Engels, can be seen as a rich, Lenin is from a rich family, Mao is from a rich family and Castro is from a rich family… All those rich accepting the bailout has been oriented by the socialist bait. On the other hand, the food coupon system, the abusive welfare system, the possible Obomacare are all bailout systems of 24/7/365. Express your same disgusting feeling to them all, too.
Giving all the research money up? Tell me how America has become a top country in science and technology. Are you living in an African mud hut, or are you living in a house (or apartment building) where tab water can be available right at the moment you want after you just get up from the couch watching TV?
What is your definition of free trade and fair trade? Literarily, they are the same to me unless you give a definition to each of them.
There are only two modes of trade between human interest exchanges:
Mode 1: “Sir, I want something from you, can you consider my offering for an exchange? Of course, you can decline my offer.”
Mode 2: “Hey, I want something from you, you’d better take my offer, whatever it is, and give up your holding, or else!”
Mode 1 is free trade or fair trade to me. Contrasting to mode 1, mode 2 is forced trade. Which mode fits your mode of "fair trade", mode 2? You cannot find any other mode of trading besides mode 1 and mode 2.
If more socialist elements are introduced to this country, you will even lose this 0.75 cent job some daySimple math
I have a job to pay for apples at .75 cents each without walking a tight wire budget.
On the other hand no job
On the other hand a less paying job buy apples from foreigners or raise your own
Exactly, "RESPONSIBILITY"! Get rid of the food coupons, get rid of the welfare system, get rid of the system that guarantees bastard rising, and plug dead the Obamacare. I don’t know where you pick up this brain dead message "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers". Creating job is not the responsibility; it is a “biological” instinct for cooperation. Just like a person, eating is not a responsibility; without eating, the person will die. The existing of a private cooperation relies on job creation and job providing.The people pay the government taxes to take care of the nation.
If a private organization is going broke it is not the governments responsibility to bail them out.
A quote from the other side "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers"
Key word here "RESPONSIBILITY".
So, America stole the atomic bomb from Japan and bombed Japan during WWII; America stole China's Microsoft, Apple, F117 and sold them in China, we stole the Harvard, Yale from Tia Wan and recruit their students in America. You are so brilliant with so many new discoveries.I live in America.
Technology , yeah America has it from Japan, China and Tia Wan
Ooops, with so many brilliant discoveries, you finally admitted that we did have something that once makes you proud. Man, if you cannot get rid of the flooding bailout systems, you will sooner or later lose them all. Unfortunately, you only want to get rid of the bailout system in which you cannot get benefit, but you love the bailout system in which you can enjoy benefit. It does not necessarily mean you are receiving the monetary benefit, but the benefit of expanding the socialist gang population in America. You complain of America’s loss on this or on that, but try to blame someone else who is not the reason causing the loss while protect the culprits who are actually the reason.Science, how is the Nasa project these days?
So what? You may have something that no one else can have in this world; can you claim that you are the most prosperous person in the world?Tell me is American Astranauts still hitch hiking a ride on a Russian rocket to get to the U.S. Space station?
That is absolutely because of the fault of the various socialist gangs in America. Unfortunately, with her blind democracy and freedom system, American allows them to operate to the fullest scale. That parasite inside someone’s body makes him sick is not the biological fault of this person, but the fault of the parasite plus the fault of his mental fault not to take precaution in eating, in cleaning, in hygiene…Progress in America starts at the bottom of a 15 trillion dollar debt
Get rid of all those socialist parasites, the formula will then be reversed in other direction. Guarantee!When we have XXXX amount of imports coming into America and x amount of exports going out something is off balance somewhere.eace
If more socialist elements are introduced to this country, you will even lose this 0.75 cent job some day
Exactly, "RESPONSIBILITY"! Get rid of the food coupons, get rid of the welfare system, get rid of the system that guarantees bastard rising, and plug dead the Obamacare. I don’t know where you pick up this brain dead message "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers". Creating job is not the responsibility; it is a “biological” instinct for cooperation. Just like a person, eating is not a responsibility; without eating, the person will die. The existing of a private cooperation relies on job creation and job providing.
So, America stole the atomic bomb from Japan and bombed Japan during WWII; America stole China's Microsoft, Apple, F117 and sold them in China, we stole the Harvard, Yale from Tia Wan and recruit their students in America. You are so brilliant with so many new discoveries.
Ooops, with so many brilliant discoveries, you finally admitted that we did have something that once makes you proud. Man, if you cannot get rid of the flooding bailout systems, you will sooner or later lose them all. Unfortunately, you only want to get rid of the bailout system in which you cannot get benefit, but you love the bailout system in which you can enjoy benefit. It does not necessarily mean you are receiving the monetary benefit, but the benefit of expanding the socialist gang population in America. You complain of America’s loss on this or on that, but try to blame someone else who is not the reason causing the loss while protect the culprits who are actually the reason.
So what? You may have something that no one else can have in this world; can you claim that you are the most prosperous person in the world?
That is absolutely because of the fault of the various socialist gangs in America. Unfortunately, with her blind democracy and freedom system, American allows them to operate to the fullest scale. That parasite inside someone’s body makes him sick is not the biological fault of this person, but the fault of the parasite plus the fault of his mental fault not to take precaution in eating, in cleaning, in hygiene…
To cure the problem: take some proper medicine, and get rid of the parasite!
Get rid of all those socialist parasites, the formula will then be reversed in other direction. Guarantee!
The cruel question is: which political system will create the jobs, socialism or capitalism? Capitalism? Why then socialism needs to come in to destroy it? Socialism? Then the growing troop of poor is able to make government create jobs for them? But how? By destroying the rich then all sharing poverty? No single socialist practice has shown a prosperous outcome in history except those to which capitalism can still provide as host for parasites.With more jobs the Capitalist system of America will grow.
With less jobs poor people turn to the government for help and Socialism in America will grow.eace
The cruel question is: which political system will create the jobs, socialism or capitalism? Capitalism? Why then socialism needs to come in to destroy it? Socialism? Then the growing troop of poor is able to make government create jobs for them? But how? By destroying the rich then all sharing poverty? No single socialist practice has shown a prosperous outcome in history except those to which capitalism can still provide as host for parasites.
Destroying the rich?
First of all who controls the wealth of America today the rich or the middle class or the poor?
Second of all how is the rich being destroyed?
Bailouts?
No Bid Contracts?
Research grants?
Off shore accounts?
Tax cuts for millionaires ?
What do the average American people get in return more poverty, less jobs more outsourcing more budget cuts.
Who is the parasite here??
Capitalism is based on Capital , capital comes from working people ALL WORKING PEOPLE SKILLED AND UNSKILLED.eace
No, can't say I have.
However when a capitalist country borrows 93 million+ from a so called communist country I have to wander.eace