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Why are socialism and Communism hated?

RichardElderton

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I am curious as to why people despise socialism and Communism so much. I have my own reasons, but I would rather not post them until I hear from others, lest I corrupt their thought process with the power of suggestion.
 
I am curious as to why people despise socialism and Communism so much. I have my own reasons, but I would rather not post them until I hear from others, lest I corrupt their thought process with the power of suggestion.

By whom, where and in comparison with what? I shall be voting in the May local elections and will vote, once again, for our local Communist/Green candidate for Mayor. We have communists in parliament, our government is socialist, as it is currently in around a third of European countries. Seven out of 12 South American countries are socialist run, as is New Zealand and Australia. Clearly not everyone despises socialism. If you're referring to the US, don't assume everyone here is making the same loose assumption.
 
I am curious as to why people despise socialism and Communism so much. I have my own reasons, but I would rather not post them until I hear from others, lest I corrupt their thought process with the power of suggestion.

How about people like to be free.
 
I am curious as to why people despise socialism and Communism so much. I have my own reasons, but I would rather not post them until I hear from others, lest I corrupt their thought process with the power of suggestion.

Not to be too snarky, but name an economic philosophy and you will get people who despise it and/or disagree with said philosophy.

But if the question becomes, "why do conservatives despise socialism and communism so much," then the answer comes down to the fact that socialism and communism are communal economic philosophies, which traditional conservatives are diametrically opposed to. Conservatives are individualists, who believe in hard work, equal pay for equal effort, the reality that you rise and fall based on your merits, and they generally despise the thought of someone "getting by" off of their hard work.

I don't think there is any confusion as to why conservatives are generally found in rural areas. People living in rural areas, and states that have a large percentage of people living in these rural areas, are going to be conservative. These folks are largely hard core individualists that value hard work and know that if they slack then they fall. The concept of a social safety net is foreign to them, and this is largely because rural areas haven't needed them. But that is changing as our population continues to increase nation-wide.

And to get off topic, even if social safety net programs were to increase, the U.S. will never be a socialist or communist country. The fact is that capitalism and individualism work, but in my opinion they work effectively with a socialist structure alongside it (or under it). The U.S. has operated with this mix for much of the last century, and most other countries have followed our lead. The mix will continue to be adjusted, and needs to be to flow with the global changes that occur.
 
I'm free to vote communist, socialist, conservative or nationalist, or not. How many choices did you have at the last election?
 
I'm free to vote communist, socialist, conservative or nationalist, or not. How many choices did you have at the last election?

Well, here in Colorado, USA, I had the freedom to vote for Democrat, Republican, Green, Libertarian, Constitutional, or not at all. Usually we 'murkins have a bunch of different parties to choose from, not just the Big 2. :)
 
Well, by gosh, I don't suppose it would have anything to do with the coercive aspects of it, could it? Or the many tens of millions killed by communists in the 20th century? Or how in practice it tends to result in tyranny and totalitarianism and poverty?

Nah, couldn't be.
 
I'm free to vote communist, socialist, conservative or nationalist, or not. How many choices did you have at the last election?

If communism is so good why did it fail? Why durning the cold war did communist nations keep build walls to keep their people there? Why is the whole world trying to come here?
 
If communism is so good why did it fail? Why durning the cold war did communist nations keep build walls to keep their people there? Why is the whole world trying to come here?

I certainly don't intend to debate the perversion of communism by Stalinism with you. Suffice it to say communism hasn't been tried yet. Neither have many ideological concepts such as free trade, libertarianism or anarchism, they've all still got their adherents.

Why is the whole world trying to come here? Well we've got a proper pluralistic democracy is why. You can vote left, centre or right. We've also got beautiful beaches, mountains and historic Roman, Cathaginian, Moorish and medieval Christian cities, a vibrant culture and the finest wines produced anywhere in the world. Of course people want to come.
 
Well, by gosh, I don't suppose it would have anything to do with the coercive aspects of it, could it? Or the many tens of millions killed by communists in the 20th century? Or how in practice it tends to result in tyranny and totalitarianism and poverty?

Nah, couldn't be.

A capitalist society could easily lead to the same conditions except replace government with corporations. Every economic ideology, when existing without sufficient checks and balances, can become extreme and mess everything up.
 
Communism/Socialism destroy a persons will to succeed. Why should a person strive to improve thier lot in life. Entrapreneurship is not possible. The government will take care of you from craddle to grave and everyone is equally poor.
 
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There's not one damn thing good about it.
I'd rather be free and starving than live under Communism.
Communism
 
How about people like to be free.

Your simplistic worldview continually amazes me. Clear cut sides of black and white. It is not the philosophies themselves, especially not communism, the purest form of which, Marxism, dictates all that all people should have basic human rights, freedoms of speech, fair trial, et. al. The reason it fails is that it is not actually implemented. "Communism" usually comes in the period of turmoil after a revolution, and a power hungry egomaniac steps in, takes over, and creates a dictatorship, calling it communism. There has never been a true communist society. Except maybe in Cuba, where while conditions are still bad, they have improved greatly since Batista was overthrown.

Socialism, or as Earth the Book called it, Communism Lite, is a completely different story. It clearly works (look at all of Western Europe). Those countries are the happiest, richest, and least corrupt on the planet (Please don't use the "Then move there" line). They have a better education than we do. They have many advantages over us. And because they operate under democratic socialism. You also have to remember all that socialism has given you. The direct reason you can join a union and have all the benefits you have is because of socialism.

And btw, you liked ADG's reply clearly with out understanding it because he says that we should have "a socialist structure alongside" are already capitalist system.

One last thing: Before anyone brings China into this, they ARE NOT COMMUNIST! They are totalitarian capitalism.
 
Not sure why this is in the US Constitution section...I would say any practical implementation of Communism on a national scale naturally leads to a system maintained by coercion and authoritarianism. That's the biggest reason people don't like it.

There are many types of socialism and Communism is but one path though.
 
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There's not one damn thing good about it.
I'd rather be free and starving than live under Communism.
Communism

Right, some random site with no sources and no author page is DEFINITELY the best source about communist philosophy
 
Right, some random site with no sources and no author page is DEFINITELY the best source about communist philosophy

It didn't seem biased to me. They didn't say it was bad did they? It looked like just facts to me.
I'm sure I won't change my mind about despising the very thought of communism, but you are free to tell me where the site is wrong.
 
I am curious as to why people despise socialism and Communism so much. I have my own reasons, but I would rather not post them until I hear from others, lest I corrupt their thought process with the power of suggestion.

Do you mean the socialism/communism we grew up in with unions, progressive tax rates, SS, and MC?
 
Your simplistic worldview continually amazes me. Clear cut sides of black and white. It is not the philosophies themselves, especially not communism, the purest form of which, Marxism, dictates all that all people should have basic human rights, freedoms of speech, fair trial, et. al. The reason it fails is that it is not actually implemented. "Communism" usually comes in the period of turmoil after a revolution, and a power hungry egomaniac steps in, takes over, and creates a dictatorship, calling it communism. There has never been a true communist society. Except maybe in Cuba, where while conditions are still bad, they have improved greatly since Batista was overthrown.

Socialism, or as Earth the Book called it, Communism Lite, is a completely different story. It clearly works (look at all of Western Europe). Those countries are the happiest, richest, and least corrupt on the planet (Please don't use the "Then move there" line). They have a better education than we do. They have many advantages over us. And because they operate under democratic socialism. You also have to remember all that socialism has given you. The direct reason you can join a union and have all the benefits you have is because of socialism.

And btw, you liked ADG's reply clearly with out understanding it because he says that we should have "a socialist structure alongside" are already capitalist system.

One last thing: Before anyone brings China into this, they ARE NOT COMMUNIST! They are totalitarian capitalism.
fans of communism and socialism constantly defend those putrid concepts by pretending that every society that abuses human rights isn't really communist or socialist the fact that these systems never can work in reality is as damning an argument possible

communism is a disease that appeals to losers and those who scheme to become rich and powerful by using communism to loot wealth from others and control the weak minded. socialism is merely herpes while communism is Aids
 
fans of communism and socialism constantly defend those putrid concepts by pretending that every society that abuses human rights isn't really communist or socialist the fact that these systems never can work in reality is as damning an argument possible

communism is a disease that appeals to losers and those who scheme to become rich and powerful by using communism to loot wealth from others and control the weak minded. socialism is merely herpes while communism is Aids

You're totally ****ing wrong you know that don't you? The only reason communism didn't work, is because the communists of today weren't in charge. If only it had been them, we'd be in paradise.
 
fans of communism and socialism constantly defend those putrid concepts by pretending that every society that abuses human rights isn't really communist or socialist the fact that these systems never can work in reality is as damning an argument possible

communism is a disease that appeals to losers and those who scheme to become rich and powerful by using communism to loot wealth from others and control the weak minded. socialism is merely herpes while communism is Aids

This exact thing happens in capitalism but replace government with corporation. Uneducated (in the formal and informal sense of the word) people are always taken advantage of by the rich and powerful.
 
You're totally ****ing wrong you know that don't you? The only reason communism didn't work, is because the communists of today weren't in charge. If only it had been them, we'd be in paradise.

I see much merit in your point. you been taking troubadour talking point classes?
 
This exact thing happens in capitalism but replace government with corporation. Uneducated (in the formal and informal sense of the word) people are always taken advantage of by the rich and powerful.

true but corporations don't tend to kill as many people as big government. and corporations tend to make lots of people money. governments tend to suck it up
 
I certainly don't intend to debate the perversion of communism by Stalinism with you. Suffice it to say communism hasn't been tried yet. Neither have many ideological concepts such as free trade, libertarianism or anarchism, they've all still got their adherents.

Why is the whole world trying to come here? Well we've got a proper pluralistic democracy is why. You can vote left, centre or right. We've also got beautiful beaches, mountains and historic Roman, Cathaginian, Moorish and medieval Christian cities, a vibrant culture and the finest wines produced anywhere in the world. Of course people want to come.

Yep... our Moorish, medieval cities & wine. Thats it. You know what... stay a commie.
 
Your simplistic worldview continually amazes me. Clear cut sides of black and white. It is not the philosophies themselves, especially not communism, the purest form of which, Marxism, dictates all that all people should have basic human rights, freedoms of speech, fair trial, et. al. The reason it fails is that it is not actually implemented. "Communism" usually comes in the period of turmoil after a revolution, and a power hungry egomaniac steps in, takes over, and creates a dictatorship, calling it communism. There has never been a true communist society. Except maybe in Cuba, where while conditions are still bad, they have improved greatly since Batista was overthrown.

Socialism, or as Earth the Book called it, Communism Lite, is a completely different story. It clearly works (look at all of Western Europe). Those countries are the happiest, richest, and least corrupt on the planet (Please don't use the "Then move there" line). They have a better education than we do. They have many advantages over us. And because they operate under democratic socialism. You also have to remember all that socialism has given you. The direct reason you can join a union and have all the benefits you have is because of socialism.

And btw, you liked ADG's reply clearly with out understanding it because he says that we should have "a socialist structure alongside" are already capitalist system.

One last thing: Before anyone brings China into this, they ARE NOT COMMUNIST! They are totalitarian capitalism.

It must have killed you when the USA won the cold war. Liberals just don't get it....much like sex.
 
This exact thing happens in capitalism but replace government with corporation. Uneducated (in the formal and informal sense of the word) people are always taken advantage of by the rich and powerful.

Capitalism isn't a zero sum game. People who create wealth aren't causing others to become poor.
Communism and socialism causes everyone to become poor. Well, except the corrupt ones in charge.
 
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