Why are socialism and Communism hated?

[YoungConserv]

Yes but I have a choice on which private sector organization we join u cant do that with government.

 

[presluc]

Sure we are. Compare our standard of living to theirs.

America 15 trillion in debt

China holding a IOU worth 93 million +

My standard of living would be high to if I was in debt up to my eyes.eace

 

[presluc]

Yes but I have a choice on which private sector organization we join u cant do that with government.

Not necessaerily, try buying prescription drugs from another country like Canada.eace

 

[MSgt]

My point is simple in a global market or global economy if you will nations must compete to keep up or they wind up borrowing money.

Any nation that depends on other nations for fuel, labor, material and products is not competing as much.

Paying other nation's labor is not competing nor helping America.

Imports from other nations to America xxxx; exports to other nations from America xeace

Yeah, but you are ignoring historical truth and confusing your point. I'm about to make you feel awesome about America....



You are describing history. Paying for labor is against capitalism. Hence the Atlantic Slave Trade. Instead of paying farmers (creating jobs for Americans), land owners sought free labor from Africa. Cheap labor is always going to intice capitalists, which is why currently China provides much of it. However, American companies are starting to move back because as China's economy rises, their labor is becoming less cheap.

America's lack of competition today is also about history. We have always mobilized and reacted greatly to a crisis (unlike Europe, which always tends to react poorly). But when the Berlin Wall came down in 1989, America became the winner of the last 200 years of competing "isms." We won and became the last empire standing because democracy is not an "ism." America forced or was apart of the dismantling of 11 empires. Each one making a statememt on humanities path. Without the Soviet Union, we lost our focus of competition. Who were we supposed to compete against anymore? Instead we stagnated. This is why the period between 11/9 (Berlin Wall) and 9/11 (Terrorist attack) is merely called the "Post Cold War" period.

Today, economists talk about the "rise of the rest" as if it means that we are failing. They are wrong and obtuse, because economists only deal in spread sheets. They are shallow and ony serve to inform people of numbered facts. What they don't do is factor in messy human beings and culture. What doesn't change, no matter how many immigrants join us, is our culture of invention and creativity. The American culture (English speaking nations actually) have a unique ability to commercialize invention. This not only makes individuals rich and creates coorporations, but it also guarantees healthy competition and an improvement in technology....

* Nanotechnology, which is the applied science dealing with the control of matter at the atomic or molecular scale, is considered likely to lead to fundamental breakthroughs over the next fifty years. The U.S. dominates this field. It has more dedictated nanocenters than the next three nations (Germany, U.K., and China) combined. Furthermore, many of these nanocenters focus on marketable applications. In fact, 85 percent of venture capital investments have gone to the U.S.

* Biotechnology, which is a broad category that describes the use of biological systems to create meical, agricultural, and industrial products, is a mulitbillion dolar industry. This is dominated by the U.S.

* Currently the U.S. trains more engineers per capita than either India or China does. Indian universities graduate between 35 and 50 Ph.Ds in computer science each year. In America, the figures is 1,000. And these numbers don't even address the issue of quality. There's a reason our universities (being among the most prestigious in the world) have many immigrant students. America remains by the far the most attractive destination for students, taking 30 percent of the total number of foreign stude ts globally. There's a reason that the engineering world copies our structures and procedures. The quality of higher education in India and China remains extremely poor. And does anybody in the West strive to attend the University of Cairo or Tehran?

Higher education is, perhaps, America's best industry. Should we really care that an American student gets a C on his test, whicle an Asian kid gets an A? What good does that A do for that kid who graduates into a culture that demands everything remain uniform? Our C student bucks the system and introduces ideas. In America, people are allowed to be bold, challenge authority, fail, and pick themselves up. This is why America produces so many entrepreneurs, inventors, and risk takers. That C student was taught how to think. That Asian A student was taught how to fit in. And it is America that produces dozens of Nobel Prizes; not Japan. We invent the future. Culture is fate.

What scares Americans (needlessly) is that manufacturing has been leaving the U.S. and shifting to the developing nations. But this is captalism and this is labor. In the global context, "Made in China" is just a part of the current supply chain. Things will shift again. Nations spend and nations borrow. In the end, our culture is what sets us apart.

With the "rise of the rest," we will be forced to compete once again. And history shows what America can do when it competes. All of this is what sets us apart from the experiences of former empires.

 

[Aberration]

America 15 trillion in debt

China holding a IOU worth 93 million +

My standard of living would be high to if I was in debt up to my eyes.eace

Even so. Does nothing to counter our benefit to the borrowing.

 

[crebigsol]

Hitler didn't care about socialism he cared about Hitler

He felt he cared it so much that he needed to destroy it.

Stalin didn't care about socialism he cared about Stalin

You can find very few people who care more socialism than Stalin. He knew too well that if there was no Socialism, there would be no Stalin.

Dictators can get power the same way.

Yes, the socialist way, but all veiled differently.

Faciest are far worce than socialisteace

If you reverse the order of this statement, you will make a better statement.

 

[crebigsol]

Well if communist are doing worse than capitalist. How come Capitalist have to borrow money from Communist?eace

If you do some homework in history, you will not have this question.
China had high genuineness of Socialism, this country was bankrupted in any measured before 1978. Then, it saved herself by introducing Capitalism, which was strictly forbidden before 1978. Seeing capitalism really works, China rapidly expands her capitalism program, making the country to grasp more and more wealth. So, from an economically dead country, it now holds money for someone to borrow. However, it would not allow capitalism to expand so much that the Chinese Communist Party would lose its political power in that country. On the other hand, more and more socialist elements have been introduced to the American system, politically and economically; this country is more and more relying on its last gasp that her brilliant capitalist forerunners of few generations ago left behind. To extend the last gasp, she relies her hope of the last gasp on borrowing money. Then, she brilliantly found a world’s biggest wealth holder. In short, more capitalism brings in more civilization; more socialism brings in more desolation. No one can escape this irodclad rule or natural law.

 

[crebigsol]

America 15 trillion in debt

China holding a IOU worth 93 million +

My standard of living would be high to if I was in debt up to my eyes.eace

Are you really so anxious of turning the table between the creditor and the debtor? Here is a simple magic if you would:
(1) Convince the Chinese government to give up their capitalist programs and restore their high genuineness of socialism in their operation;
(2) Convince the American people to give up their socialist programs and restore as much as free trade as possible in their daily operation.

 

[Aberration]

Better yet, convince the Chinese government to provide the same worker protections and social benefits, and see how much $$$ they have.

 

[crebigsol]

Better yet, convince the Chinese government to provide the same worker protections and social benefits, and see how much $$$ they have.

Well, it involves the explanation of the nature of Socialists.

Before they get the power, in the non-socialist society, they would shout with their lung inside out that the capitalist government never provides enough protection and benefit to the workers. Subsequently they try as hard as possible to sham in all kinds of socialist programs to deplete the earning resulted by production, making social wealth accumulation in the non-socialist society more and more impossible. The more they can succeed, the more they can demonize the capitalist government so that their conspiracy of power usurpation would be facilitated.

After the socialists usurp the power, however, anyone asking them, the socialists, to pay more protection and benefit to the workers will be treated as a reactionary, an anti-government enemy. It is how China is now. On the one hand, the socialists in power take advantage of the capitalist production system to make money. On the other hand, the same socialists would try to keep the worker protection and social benefit to the minimum so that they can maximally extract wealth from the society.

In short, believing socialism are only those people who are either too stupid and too innocent or too smart and too evil, but with cloak of the most glamorization. There is one accurate test for their "lofty" moral: ask them to assist the poor. They never pull out their own money to assist the poor, but they never fail to ask someone else to pull out his money for the poor. "Pay the fair share, you rich!"

 

[rainbow_rizzzla]

every country is corrupt in one way or another, regardless of if they're socialist or not.. You can't tell me capitalism is a fair system when it revolves around exploiting the poor and benefiting the rich. People are fast to slag off communism and socialism, but these systems have only failed due to the minority trying to sieze power for themselves, which is not technically socialism either. At least the theory and idea of socilaism is actually very good, and beneficial to everyone, which is much more than what can be said about capitalism. Bear in mind in the west most people are born into being 'rich' or 'poor' and a truly capitalist society tries to mantian this division of wealth and make it very difficult for a poor person to become rich. My dad works 10 hr shifts in a very unpleasurable, horribe job for very little money, so you can't tell me it's because poor people are 'lazy', and yet there are a lot of rich people (not ALL rich people) who sit on their ass all day and have WAY more money than they will ever need or spend and just sit on that money, selfishly. You can't tell me that's a fair system.

 

[MSgt]

every country is corrupt in one way or another, regardless of if they're socialist or not.. You can't tell me capitalism is a fair system when it revolves around exploiting the poor and benefiting the rich. People are fast to slag off communism and socialism, but these systems have only failed due to the minority trying to sieze power for themselves, which is not technically socialism either. At least the theory and idea of socilaism is actually very good, and beneficial to everyone, which is much more than what can be said about capitalism. Bear in mind in the west most people are born into being 'rich' or 'poor' and a truly capitalist society tries to mantian this division of wealth and make it very difficult for a poor person to become rich. My dad works 10 hr shifts in a very unpleasurable, horribe job for very little money, so you can't tell me it's because poor people are 'lazy', and yet there are a lot of rich people (not ALL rich people) who sit on their ass all day and have WAY more money than they will ever need or spend and just sit on that money, selfishly. You can't tell me that's a fair system.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where the idea of something rarely meets the reality. The Age of Idealism is past. The period between the French Revolution and the fall of the Berlin Wall produced plenty of "isms" and the result was hundreds of millions of corpses between Germany and Cambodia. People are fast to slag off communism and socialism because the theories, put to the test, produced devistation. People know enough about history (smoe remember it) to know what socialsim and communism results in. It is a sad thing that today's "socialists" inside democratic nations continue to design excuses for Stalin, Mao, and Hitler just so they can believe in the dream of perfecting people. The reason these "isms" failed is because the perfect system will always dissapoint those who can't accept that people are imperfect.

Capitalism didn't win in history because of some designed scheme of deceit. It won because it did not devistate populations while the rest did and it is attached to the very popular and prosperous West. It may be unfair (the poor and the lazy will always be sure to voice this), but it works because nobody expects it to be perfect. I wonder what Soviets in bread lines, the Chinese executed, and the victims of the Cambodian killing fields thought was fair.

The inventors of socialism and communism and even fascism (benevolent dictator) had great ideas. However, their theories rely on the absence of greed and individual ambition. In other words, these isms deny humanity. These type of systems will never work as long as imperfect human beings have to be organized into their so called perfect systems. We shouldn't kill the dreamers, but we should kill their dreams before the Stalins and Maos attempt to apply them.

 

[crebigsol]

every country is corrupt in one way or another, regardless of if they're socialist or not..

Yeah, you are damn right. Country’s set up and maintenance involves political power; absolutely power leads to absolute corruption. All socialist countries that we know of in history must expel public monitoring about the government operation, so that the socialist in power can maintain absolute power to enjoy their absolute corruption. Capitalist countries allow public monitoring, and the corruption inside the government have more chance to be exposed, absolutely corruption can be maximally lowered, but never be avoided. No society can avoid corruption; save your breath in complaining.

You can't tell me capitalism is a fair system when it revolves around exploiting the poor and benefiting the rich.

This is the exact dope that the socialists need to feed the public for them to gather social force in their conspiracy of usurping power. You think the socialists will give you a society with the fairness in your dream after they get the governmental power if you are still a very common member in the society?

At least the theory and idea of socilaism is actually very good, and beneficial to everyone, which is much more than what can be said about capitalism. Bear in mind in the west most people are born into being 'rich' or 'poor' and a truly capitalist society tries to mantian this division of wealth and make it very difficult for a poor person to become rich.

Have you ever heard of any theory not good and not beneficial to everyone but being able to recruit formidable troop of followers? There are many theories that can be much better than what is advocated by socialism in our ears, but must all we follow, too? For example, too many cults would tell you how good the heaven is, would you kill yourself to get there and convince others to do the same? You are either stupid to do this to yourself, or you are an evil not to do this but persuade others to do this while skimming benefit from those who do.

My dad works 10 hr shifts in a very unpleasurable, horribe job for very little money, so you can't tell me it's because poor people are 'lazy',

I have heard of this kind of complaint too often. Steve Jobs was once a penniless student, but he managed to have become one of the top rich in the world. I have a very close friend who was nearly penniless when arriving America. He worked 14 hours a day with two jobs when he was young. Now, after a long struggle he has his two children becoming lawyers, he retires with a leisure living. He is very grateful to what this country can provide him. All socialists ask people to believe in evolution, whose spinal idea is natural selection. Natural selection only means “no guarantee in life.” Why must the socialists ask others to guarantee their life with fairness in the capitalist society while insist to educate people in school with natural selection in order to expel Christianity? The bottom line is: greed and envy from the less able or less fortune.

and yet there are a lot of rich people (not ALL rich people) who sit on their ass all day and have WAY more money than they will ever need or spend and just sit on that money, selfishly. You can't tell me that's a fair system.

The rich, overall, did not sit on the money and do nothing. They must figure out good ways to maintain their wealth, in other words, to make good investment. Making good investment is a way of organizing production for the society; so they deserve the return. In doing so, they have to take risk. When they fail in their investment, will the poor come in to compensate the rich’s loss for any fairness? If the rich don’t do good investment but just sit on the money, sooner or later, they will lose everything. Indeed, unfortunately, this is part of the reason why America is going downhill. The capitalist forerunners of few generation ago in America have just left behind with many prodigal descendants besides the formidable wealth. These prodigals do not know how to manage and reinvest the vast wealth but just gradually scattering the same. Corrupt as they may be, it does not give reason for others to rob them: “pay your fair share.” This is a slogan shouted by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che, Pol Pot… all the biggest bandits in history. Unfortunately, this is a permanently lucrative slogan; more and more America picked up this slogan in their dream of envy satisfaction.

 

[presluc]

Are you really so anxious of turning the table between the creditor and the debtor? Here is a simple magic if you would:
(1) Convince the Chinese government to give up their capitalist programs and restore their high genuineness of socialism in their operation;
(2) Convince the American people to give up their socialist programs and restore as much as free trade as possible in their daily operation.

How about convincing the rich to hire more Americans
How about convincing the rich to take no tax cuts , no bailouts, no research money.
How about convincing the trade administration to stop free trade and have fair trade.eace

 

[presluc]

Better yet, convince the Chinese government to provide the same worker protections and social benefits, and see how much $$$ they have.

It's easy for American corporations to brag about the worker protection and social benefits they provide when they hire cheap foreign labor in a foreign land to do the work.

Start digging around and American manufacturing ain't putting up that many $$$ for worker protection or social benefits either
After all it is most difficult to protect a worker that does not have a job and hard to provide social benefits to a worker that is not working in America for an American corporation.eace

 

[crebigsol]

How about convincing the rich to hire more Americans
How about convincing the rich to take no tax cuts ,

These two requirements put together form a contradicting pair.
Easy math: You have $1 to buy two apples that are $0.5 each. Now, you are forced to surrender $0.25 unconditionally for nothing, and still be required to buy two apples or even expected to buy 3 of them. Do it, show me your magic. Furthermore, the cost of the apple may go up to $0.60 each after the $0.25 is gone.

no bailouts,

Bailouts in the scale that we see few years back ―forcing a group of people to pay money so that the other group of people can have money for nothing in exchange― is a socialist operation. Unfortunately, this has been used as bait by those politicians who are either overwhelmingly full of socialist ideas or utterly incompetent in conducting capitalist economic operation. Those socialist or incompetent politicians skim the benefit of power control after laying the bait. Socialism is not necessary what poor people cry for, some rich can do the same with more enthusiasm, so long as power is dangling ahead. Marx, relying on Engels, can be seen as a rich, Lenin is from a rich family, Mao is from a rich family and Castro is from a rich family… All those rich accepting the bailout has been oriented by the socialist bait. On the other hand, the food coupon system, the abusive welfare system, the possible Obomacare are all bailout systems of 24/7/365. Express your same disgusting feeling to them all, too.

no research money

Giving all the research money up? Tell me how America has become a top country in science and technology. Are you living in an African mud hut, or are you living in a house (or apartment building) where tab water can be available right at the moment you want after you just get up from the couch watching TV?

How about convincing the trade administration to stop free trade and have fair trade.

What is your definition of free trade and fair trade? Literarily, they are the same to me unless you give a definition to each of them.
There are only two modes of trade between human interest exchanges:
Mode 1: “Sir, I want something from you, can you consider my offering for an exchange? Of course, you can decline my offer.”
Mode 2: “Hey, I want something from you, you’d better take my offer, whatever it is, and give up your holding, or else!”
Mode 1 is free trade or fair trade to me. Contrasting to mode 1, mode 2 is forced trade. Which mode fits your mode of "fair trade", mode 2? You cannot find any other mode of trading besides mode 1 and mode 2.

 

[Aberration]

It's easy for American corporations to brag about the worker protection and social benefits they provide when they hire cheap foreign labor in a foreign land to do the work.

Start digging around and American manufacturing ain't putting up that many $$$ for worker protection or social benefits either
After all it is most difficult to protect a worker that does not have a job and hard to provide social benefits to a worker that is not working in America for an American corporation.eace

We have OSHA, NIOSH, ANSI... 2 years unemployment... Do you have any idea what goes on in China? Seriously, get a clue.

The Chinese government is exploiting its citizens far more than any evil American corporation is buy hiring them.

 

[YoungConserv]

The simple fact is that once you socialize anything it gives community right to tell the individual how to live it limits personal freedom.

 

[presluc]

These two requirements put together form a contradicting pair.
Easy math: You have $1 to buy two apples that are $0.5 each. Now, you are forced to surrender $0.25 unconditionally for nothing, and still be required to buy two apples or even expected to buy 3 of them. Do it, show me your magic. Furthermore, the cost of the apple may go up to $0.60 each after the $0.25 is gone.

Bailouts in the scale that we see few years back ―forcing a group of people to pay money so that the other group of people can have money for nothing in exchange― is a socialist operation. Unfortunately, this has been used as bait by those politicians who are either overwhelmingly full of socialist ideas or utterly incompetent in conducting capitalist economic operation. Those socialist or incompetent politicians skim the benefit of power control after laying the bait. Socialism is not necessary what poor people cry for, some rich can do the same with more enthusiasm, so long as power is dangling ahead. Marx, relying on Engels, can be seen as a rich, Lenin is from a rich family, Mao is from a rich family and Castro is from a rich family… All those rich accepting the bailout has been oriented by the socialist bait. On the other hand, the food coupon system, the abusive welfare system, the possible Obomacare are all bailout systems of 24/7/365. Express your same disgusting feeling to them all, too.

Giving all the research money up? Tell me how America has become a top country in science and technology. Are you living in an African mud hut, or are you living in a house (or apartment building) where tab water can be available right at the moment you want after you just get up from the couch watching TV?

What is your definition of free trade and fair trade? Literarily, they are the same to me unless you give a definition to each of them.
There are only two modes of trade between human interest exchanges:
Mode 1: “Sir, I want something from you, can you consider my offering for an exchange? Of course, you can decline my offer.”
Mode 2: “Hey, I want something from you, you’d better take my offer, whatever it is, and give up your holding, or else!”
Mode 1 is free trade or fair trade to me. Contrasting to mode 1, mode 2 is forced trade. Which mode fits your mode of "fair trade", mode 2? You cannot find any other mode of trading besides mode 1 and mode 2.

Simple math
I have a job to pay for apples at .75 cents each without walking a tight wire budget.
On the other hand no job
On the other hand a less paying job buy apples from foreigners or raise your own

I don't need to make a long speech about bailouts.
The people pay the government taxes to take care of the nation.
If a private organization is going broke it is not the governments responsibility to bail them out.
A quote from the other side "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers"
Key word here "RESPONSIBILITY".

I live in America.
Technology , yeah America has it from Japan, China and Tia Wan
Science, how is the Nasa project these days?
Tell me is American Astranauts still hitch hiking a ride on a Russian rocket to get to the U.S. Space station?
Who has the most money coming from Video games these days?

Progress in America starts at the bottom of a 15 trillion dollar debt

When we have XXXX amount of imports coming into America and x amount of exports going out something is off balance somewhere.eace

 

[crebigsol]

Simple math
I have a job to pay for apples at .75 cents each without walking a tight wire budget.
On the other hand no job
On the other hand a less paying job buy apples from foreigners or raise your own

If more socialist elements are introduced to this country, you will even lose this 0.75 cent job some day

The people pay the government taxes to take care of the nation.
If a private organization is going broke it is not the governments responsibility to bail them out.
A quote from the other side "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers"
Key word here "RESPONSIBILITY".

Exactly, "RESPONSIBILITY"! Get rid of the food coupons, get rid of the welfare system, get rid of the system that guarantees bastard rising, and plug dead the Obamacare. I don’t know where you pick up this brain dead message "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers". Creating job is not the responsibility; it is a “biological” instinct for cooperation. Just like a person, eating is not a responsibility; without eating, the person will die. The existing of a private cooperation relies on job creation and job providing.

I live in America.
Technology , yeah America has it from Japan, China and Tia Wan

So, America stole the atomic bomb from Japan and bombed Japan during WWII; America stole China's Microsoft, Apple, F117 and sold them in China, we stole the Harvard, Yale from Tia Wan and recruit their students in America. You are so brilliant with so many new discoveries.

Science, how is the Nasa project these days?

Ooops, with so many brilliant discoveries, you finally admitted that we did have something that once makes you proud. Man, if you cannot get rid of the flooding bailout systems, you will sooner or later lose them all. Unfortunately, you only want to get rid of the bailout system in which you cannot get benefit, but you love the bailout system in which you can enjoy benefit. It does not necessarily mean you are receiving the monetary benefit, but the benefit of expanding the socialist gang population in America. You complain of America’s loss on this or on that, but try to blame someone else who is not the reason causing the loss while protect the culprits who are actually the reason.

Tell me is American Astranauts still hitch hiking a ride on a Russian rocket to get to the U.S. Space station?

So what? You may have something that no one else can have in this world; can you claim that you are the most prosperous person in the world?

Progress in America starts at the bottom of a 15 trillion dollar debt

That is absolutely because of the fault of the various socialist gangs in America. Unfortunately, with her blind democracy and freedom system, American allows them to operate to the fullest scale. That parasite inside someone’s body makes him sick is not the biological fault of this person, but the fault of the parasite plus the fault of his mental fault not to take precaution in eating, in cleaning, in hygiene…
To cure the problem: take some proper medicine, and get rid of the parasite!

When we have XXXX amount of imports coming into America and x amount of exports going out something is off balance somewhere.eace

Get rid of all those socialist parasites, the formula will then be reversed in other direction. Guarantee!

 

[presluc]

If more socialist elements are introduced to this country, you will even lose this 0.75 cent job some day

Exactly, "RESPONSIBILITY"! Get rid of the food coupons, get rid of the welfare system, get rid of the system that guarantees bastard rising, and plug dead the Obamacare. I don’t know where you pick up this brain dead message "It is not the responsibility of corporations to create jobs for American workers". Creating job is not the responsibility; it is a “biological” instinct for cooperation. Just like a person, eating is not a responsibility; without eating, the person will die. The existing of a private cooperation relies on job creation and job providing.

So, America stole the atomic bomb from Japan and bombed Japan during WWII; America stole China's Microsoft, Apple, F117 and sold them in China, we stole the Harvard, Yale from Tia Wan and recruit their students in America. You are so brilliant with so many new discoveries.

Ooops, with so many brilliant discoveries, you finally admitted that we did have something that once makes you proud. Man, if you cannot get rid of the flooding bailout systems, you will sooner or later lose them all. Unfortunately, you only want to get rid of the bailout system in which you cannot get benefit, but you love the bailout system in which you can enjoy benefit. It does not necessarily mean you are receiving the monetary benefit, but the benefit of expanding the socialist gang population in America. You complain of America’s loss on this or on that, but try to blame someone else who is not the reason causing the loss while protect the culprits who are actually the reason.

So what? You may have something that no one else can have in this world; can you claim that you are the most prosperous person in the world?

That is absolutely because of the fault of the various socialist gangs in America. Unfortunately, with her blind democracy and freedom system, American allows them to operate to the fullest scale. That parasite inside someone’s body makes him sick is not the biological fault of this person, but the fault of the parasite plus the fault of his mental fault not to take precaution in eating, in cleaning, in hygiene…
To cure the problem: take some proper medicine, and get rid of the parasite!

Get rid of all those socialist parasites, the formula will then be reversed in other direction. Guarantee!

With more jobs the Capitalist system of America will grow.
With less jobs poor people turn to the government for help and Socialism in America will grow.eace

 

[crebigsol]

With more jobs the Capitalist system of America will grow.
With less jobs poor people turn to the government for help and Socialism in America will grow.eace

The cruel question is: which political system will create the jobs, socialism or capitalism? Capitalism? Why then socialism needs to come in to destroy it? Socialism? Then the growing troop of poor is able to make government create jobs for them? But how? By destroying the rich then all sharing poverty? No single socialist practice has shown a prosperous outcome in history except those to which capitalism can still provide as host for parasites.

 

[presluc]

The cruel question is: which political system will create the jobs, socialism or capitalism? Capitalism? Why then socialism needs to come in to destroy it? Socialism? Then the growing troop of poor is able to make government create jobs for them? But how? By destroying the rich then all sharing poverty? No single socialist practice has shown a prosperous outcome in history except those to which capitalism can still provide as host for parasites.

Destroying the rich?

First of all who controls the wealth of America today the rich or the middle class or the poor?

Second of all how is the rich being destroyed?
Bailouts?
No Bid Contracts?
Research grants?
Off shore accounts?
Tax cuts for millionaires ?

What do the average American people get in return more poverty, less jobs more outsourcing more budget cuts.

Who is the parasite here??

Capitalism is based on Capital , capital comes from working people ALL WORKING PEOPLE SKILLED AND UNSKILLED.eace

 

[crebigsol]

Destroying the rich?

First of all who controls the wealth of America today the rich or the middle class or the poor?

Second of all how is the rich being destroyed?
Bailouts?
No Bid Contracts?
Research grants?
Off shore accounts?
Tax cuts for millionaires ?

What do the average American people get in return more poverty, less jobs more outsourcing more budget cuts.

Who is the parasite here??

Capitalism is based on Capital , capital comes from working people ALL WORKING PEOPLE SKILLED AND UNSKILLED.eace

First, there must be someone controlling wealth in this world, regardless. If you feel intolerable, find a society in which no one controls wealth. If you feel you are not the one controlling, too bad, and sorry. If this gives you reason to set up socialism, unless you are in the family like Kim in North Korea, you are even further barred from wealth controlling.

Second, you are extremely intolerable to bailouts, then, make sure you can get rid of all those bailout system of food coupons, the system of bastard raising guarantee, the possible Obamacare... including the affirmative action which is heavily oriented by racial discrimination and capability discrimination but in reversed direction. In one of your argument, you emphasized "RESPONSIBILITY". Embolden this sense to your mentality.

Third, show me one example in human history that socialism brought prosperity to the society. Everyone knows that Socialism's task is to destroy rich. This answers your "Destroying the rich?" If you do not kow this nature of Socialism, you need to read more before you argue.

 

[vendur]

No, can't say I have.

However when a capitalist country borrows 93 million+ from a so called communist country I have to wander.eace

Have to wonder what? That workers have absolutely no rights there and get paid pennies on the dollars they produce and that money is sucked up by the government? That they artifically deflate their own currency <-- stealing more pennies from the meager pennies they got paid to begin with, to increase exports /decrease imports.