Why are Conservatives against abortions?

[Your Star]

When you consider the fact a lot of abortionists support legalized abortion all the way till birth it invalidates their seed comparison because the baby inside the womb is not a seed.

Completely false.

 

[obvious Child]

The real reason is because they aren't getting a share of the profits. A private business offering a safe, legal, and clean service to women who are freely choosing it, and the GOP wants to stifle it with regulation and put hard working entrepreneurs out of business?

 

[Grim17]

The Republican party has somehow absorbed the puritan, anti-woman's rights segment of the population.

What a pile of partisan political nonsense.

If you actually believe that the opposition to abortion by republicans is not based on protecting the rights of unborn children, and is actually a phony excuse they concocted to hide their actual agenda, the repression women, then you are in need of some serious help my friend.

I'm not quite sure how that happened, since the GOP was traditionally the party about personal liberty. That's where this whole abortion issue comes from.

So you think that opposing abortion contradicts our belief in personal liberties huh... Why am I not surprised.

That statement, along with other things you've said, tell me a lot about you. They tell me that you are incapable of discussing or acknowledging what abortion actually is, what it does to the people involved, or the reasons people choose it in the first place... You know damned well that focusing the discussion on those things would not only make your beliefs look silly, they would also reflect very poorly on you as a human being. So, in order for you to avoid those discussions from taking place, you did what so many liberals have done, on so many different issues... You developed a library of phony arguments, excuses and political talking points that not only help you to avoid those subjects and help justify your beliefs to others, but they also make it easier for you to avoid many of the unpleasant realities attached to your support for abortion.


Here's the bottom line... I don't give a damn how you spin it, abortion is "the extinguishing of innocent human life" and with very*few exceptions, it's immoral. I don't care if conception was 8 day ago, or 8 months ago, it's still a live human growing in there and we should treat it with respect. If we can't respect the sanctity of human life, then what can we respect?

Also, with the exception of rape, the last time I checked, pregnancy was 100% preventable. Not 98% or 99%, but 100% preventable. We aren't living in the dark ages. This is the 21st century, the information age, and everyone from high school age and up, knows that having sex, even using contraception, can result in pregnancy. Combine that with the advances in medicine and modern surgical techniques, and we've reached a point in our history where abortion clinics should be a thing of the past, but unfortunately aren't. It's all about acting responsibly, something that's taken a back seat to convenience the last several years.


Abortion rewards a convenient, quick-fix solution for irresponsible behavior.


Opposition to abortion is about one thing, and one thing only for conservatives... Respecting the sanctity of human life. That's why it's called the "pro-life" movement. Your feeble attempts to convince people that republican opposition to abortion is really a back door attack against women's rights, or some kind of constitutional assault on our personal freedoms, only shows just how desperate you've become and how weak your position must be.

I guess I can't blame you though... It must be a real PR nightmare to say that you support a woman killing her unborn child, because she and her husband were invited to vacation with friends at ski lodge, and the pregnancy would prevent her from skiing. Or how about when you give a thumbs up to a lady asking for an abortion, who doesn't want to have children, and only ended up pregnant because one of the guys she dates, doesn't like to wear condoms. Bet that's a tough sell.


* In my opinion, abortion is only justifiable under 3 conditions... Pregnancies resulting from Rape, when a pregnancy puts the mother's life in imminent danger, and conditionally, pregnancies under the age of consent. In those cases, since it is the parents of the pregnant child who will bear the financial responsibility, and they weren't responsible for the fertilization, abortion should be an option to them and their choice to make, not the child's. If the child wants to abort the pregnancy, but the parents won't consent, then the parents become the legal guardians of the baby at birth and assume full responsibility for the child.

 

[Henrin]

If step on an acorn do you kill a tree?

I stepped on a few acorns in my time, but I don't think I ever successful crushed one that wasn't already rotten. Have you?

 

[1751Texan]

you fail to understand...

it has nothing to do with liberty.

It has everything to do with murder.... and that is illegal everywhere.

You exactly right...Abortion is not a liberty... it is a constitutional right. Big difference. I wont even speak to the murder claim.

 

[Grim17]

its the bible thumping wing of the GOP. the stupid side

Attacking Christians? Come on man, that was uncalled for... Even if you have a major dislike for Christians, or even religion in general, that's still no excuse for launching a "Bill Maher style" personal attack on an entire sect of people.

Just to set the record straight, I am NOT Christian. I'm not a religious person. I also do not now, nor have I in my adult life, attended any church or house of worship, with the exception of a baptism I was invited to attend years ago.

 

[RamFel]

Or it's the people who care about life and don't want to force death upon a living human.

I say it's murder, but if it's not, it's at least manslaughter. In either case, it should be punishable with a long prison term.

 

[katiegrrl0]

you fail to understand...

it has nothing to do with liberty.

It has everything to do with murder.... and that is illegal everywhere.

But it is not murder and is legal, so deal with it. Grow up and understand that abortion is a reality and all your whining will not change that.

 

[ecofarm]

...Grow up and understand that abortion is a reality and all your whining will not change that.

Does anyone find this an effective argument?

 

[RamFel]

You exactly right...Abortion is not a liberty... it is a constitutional right. Big difference. I wont even speak to the murder claim.

Then you're ignoring the problem.

I'm not a Constitutional expert. But some things seem obvious to me.

How did the founding fathers foresee the need for abortion rights? You know as well as I do that they never considered it. If it's in there, then it was either inserted, or mis-interpreted by Johnny-come-lately's who would do anything they could to make sure that if it were not there, that it get there somehow.

Using the Constitution to gain less-than-questionable rights is lowly, and a standard tactic used by the left.

 

[RamFel]

Does anyone find this an effective argument?

No. Just because it's allowed by law doesn't mean it's correct, or just. If the law is changed, as it should be, you'll see some real whining.

 

[RamFel]

But it is not murder and is legal, so deal with it. Grow up and understand that abortion is a reality and all your whining will not change that.

So since it's a reality, and since you don't care who gets hurt, then let's all just go on a baby killing spree!

 

[RamFel]

The real reason is because they aren't getting a share of the profits. A private business offering a safe, legal, and clean service to women who are freely choosing it, and the GOP wants to stifle it with regulation and put hard working entrepreneurs out of business?

Lopsided view.

 

[1Perry]

The right to life is all about liberty.

Absolutely. Just to get this out of the way...murder is a legal term. There is really nothing to gain by argueing that. IMO nobody has the right to take the life of another except for in circumstances of self defense. If someone is going to take yours you are certainly entitled to protect it.

For that reason I am against abortion and the death penalty.

 

[celticwar17]

But it is not murder and is legal, so deal with it. Grow up and understand that abortion is a reality and all your whining will not change that.

It is murder, but legal because people dont give a sh**! The ones that are truely affected are the women and doctors that go through the experience. There are tons of books from previous abortion doctors that have come clean and realized how horrible the practice really is and what sort of evil it breeds in combination with capitalism.

 

[celticwar17]

Absolutely. Just to get this out of the way...murder is a legal term. There is really nothing to gain by argueing that. IMO nobody has the right to take the life of another except for in circumstances of self defense. If someone is going to take yours you are certainly entitled to protect it.

For that reason I am against abortion and the death penalty.

I am too. I dont understand how people can be against abortion but for the death penalty... to me its kind of contradicting the strongest argument against abortion.

 

[StillBallin75]

Absolutely. Just to get this out of the way...murder is a legal term. There is really nothing to gain by argueing that. IMO nobody has the right to take the life of another except for in circumstances of self defense. If someone is going to take yours you are certainly entitled to protect it.

For that reason I am against abortion and the death penalty.

I'm against abortion, but with regard to the death penalty some mother****ers in this world need to ****ing die.

 

[StillBallin75]

I am too. I dont understand how people can be against abortion but for the death penalty... to me its kind of contradicting the strongest argument against abortion.

Because there are people in this world who deserve to be ****ed the hell up.

 

[ecofarm]

There's no point? Tell them.

 

[1Perry]

I'm against abortion, but with regard to the death penalty some mother****ers in this world need to ****ing die.

I'm certainly for the notion that half right is better than not at all. :2razz:

 

[Risky Thicket]

What a pile of partisan political nonsense.

If you actually believe that the opposition to abortion by republicans is not based on protecting the rights of unborn children, and is actually a phony excuse they concocted to hide their actual agenda, the repression women, then you are in need of some serious help my friend.




So you think that opposing abortion contradicts our belief in personal liberties huh... Why am I not surprised.

That statement, along with other things you've said, tell me a lot about you. They tell me that you are incapable of discussing or acknowledging what abortion actually is, what it does to the people involved, or the reasons people choose it in the first place... You know damned well that focusing the discussion on those things would not only make your beliefs look silly, they would also reflect very poorly on you as a human being. So, in order for you to avoid those discussions from taking place, you did what so many liberals have done, on so many different issues... You developed a library of phony arguments, excuses and political talking points that not only help you to avoid those subjects and help justify your beliefs to others, but they also make it easier for you to avoid many of the unpleasant realities attached to your support for abortion.


Here's the bottom line... I don't give a damn how you spin it, abortion is "the extinguishing of innocent human life" and with very*few exceptions, it's immoral. I don't care if conception was 8 day ago, or 8 months ago, it's still a live human growing in there and we should treat it with respect. If we can't respect the sanctity of human life, then what can we respect?

Also, with the exception of rape, the last time I checked, pregnancy was 100% preventable. Not 98% or 99%, but 100% preventable. We aren't living in the dark ages. This is the 21st century, the information age, and everyone from high school age and up, knows that having sex, even using contraception, can result in pregnancy. Combine that with the advances in medicine and modern surgical techniques, and we've reached a point in our history where abortion clinics should be a thing of the past, but unfortunately aren't. It's all about acting responsibly, something that's taken a back seat to convenience the last several years.


Abortion rewards a convenient, quick-fix solution for irresponsible behavior.


Opposition to abortion is about one thing, and one thing only for conservatives... Respecting the sanctity of human life. That's why it's called the "pro-life" movement. Your feeble attempts to convince people that republican opposition to abortion is really a back door attack against women's rights, or some kind of constitutional assault on our personal freedoms, only shows just how desperate you've become and how weak your position must be.

I guess I can't blame you though... It must be a real PR nightmare to say that you support a woman killing her unborn child, because she and her husband were invited to vacation with friends at ski lodge, and the pregnancy would prevent her from skiing. Or how about when you give a thumbs up to a lady asking for an abortion, who doesn't want to have children, and only ended up pregnant because one of the guys she dates, doesn't like to wear condoms. Bet that's a tough sell.


* In my opinion, abortion is only justifiable under 3 conditions... Pregnancies resulting from Rape, when a pregnancy puts the mother's life in imminent danger, and conditionally, pregnancies under the age of consent. In those cases, since it is the parents of the pregnant child who will bear the financial responsibility, and they weren't responsible for the fertilization, abortion should be an option to them and their choice to make, not the child's. If the child wants to abort the pregnancy, but the parents won't consent, then the parents become the legal guardians of the baby at birth and assume full responsibility for the child.

So what are you planning to do with all those babies? You will be taxed for services rendered, from education to incarceration. Across every strata of society in every city and state there will be increased needs. There will be babies who are born with severe disabilities that will require months and months of hospitalization and surgeries and home care and many of those babies are known long before birth. Are you going to pay the millions it will cost to keep that child alive over a short lifetime? No, you aren't. And don't tell me charities will, that is pure bull****. Let's talk about poly drug babies. If an expectant mother is doing one addictive drug, including alcohol, research says she's almost always do more than, one including cigarettes. Crack babies are a myth of sorts, they've never had pregnant woman who smoke crack and didn't drink or smoke or use other drugs. Most of those kids are going right into a special education program. More money, more tax dollars than you are paying now. Then there is the fact that most of the drug babies get little or no support at home and live impoverished until they die. Exceptions to the rule? Yeah, but the paltry few won't even dent the tax burden you are going to experience. Law enforcement and incarceration of those children as they become adults will be expensive. Your city, your state, your federal government will have to pick up the tab and pass it along to you.

Tell me, how many children are you raising or fully supporting that were born to mothers who didn't want or couldn't handle them? What does it cost you per year, per child? Finally, how many more could you accept financially?

 

[1Perry]

So what are you planning to do with all those babies?

It's why I support gay marriage. I'm all for allowing gay couples to adopt.

 

[Grim17]

Hey Risky Thicket, what's with all the questions? I think you've gotten the wrong impression about my post, so let me clear up a few things for you.

That post was not written for the purpose of expressing my beliefs on abortion, it was written in response to someone who falsely claimed that republicans opposed abortion because they are "anti-women's rights", and claimed the issue is about personal freedoms, rather than morality and the unborn child.

That post wasn't me getting on my soap box to preach my beliefs on abortion. It was a well deserved smack down for a lying, liberal attack artist... nothing more.

 

[RamFel]

I am too. I dont understand how people can be against abortion but for the death penalty... to me its kind of contradicting the strongest argument against abortion.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me that you're kidding!

OK, let me explain it. The death penalty is for murderers. These people are usually guilty of killing other people in cold blood. I won't say whether they deserve to die, or not. It's not my place. But they're being held responsible for what they've done.

But babies, on the other hand, have done nothing wrong. They're not charged with any crime, or put on trial. They're just put to death. Completely innocent. The injustice of it just jumps out at you.

I can't believe you don't know this!

 

[atrasicarius]

Oh look, people are still implying that abortion is murder. Looks like I need to post this again: