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Whose read atlas shrugged?

And there isn't liberal bull taught in our schools? Why not balance it out?

If we were to "balance it out" then we'd have to put Ralph Nader's "Only the Super Rich Can Save Us" on the reading menu alongside "Atlas Shrugged."
 
But this is too much, too much! American 'libertarians' want to be "rugged individualists", not genuine individuals. They are content to march in lockstep with their Mises and their Hayek in their pockets, like all the rest of the 'individualists'.

So what you are saying is Ayn Rand fans are a lot like the crowd in this clip?

 
Why is this not taught in our schools its better than most of the crap I read for class

Because she was a lunatic fascist that thought some people's destiny is to serve the strong in society, and the privileged should be unchallenged in their exploitation and destruction of everyone and everything around them for their own benefit.
 
Because she was a lunatic fascist that thought some people's destiny is to serve the strong in society, and the privileged should be unchallenged in their exploitation and destruction of everyone and everything around them for their own benefit.

What is exploitative about a free market?
 
How does that "keep things fair"? No matter what the philosophy of objectivism will lead to dominance and unequal "access to compete"
What your talking about is equal results which can only be archived by taking from those that produce more
 
What your talking about is equal results which can only be archived by taking from those that produce more

No, that's not what he's talking about. For your consideration:

If a free market leads to sufficient "fair" competition, why does anti-trust legislation exist? Why would there ever be a need for it?
 
No, that's not what he's talking about. For your consideration:

If a free market leads to sufficient "fair" competition, why does anti-trust legislation exist? Why would there ever be a need for it?

They only way that trusts got into power in the first place was through means other than free enterprise
 
They only way that trusts got into power in the first place was through means other than free enterprise

Predictable cop out. This is why it's useless to debate most libertarians. If anything bad happens, it couldn't possibly be the fault of free enterprise because free enterprise is always good.
 
Did they sign an employment contract?

Does signing an employment contract somehow absolve a company from literally killing its workers to save money?
 
Predictable cop out. This is why it's useless to debate most libertarians. If anything bad happens, it couldn't possibly be the fault of free enterprise because free enterprise is always good.

Did they not use deciet political favors and other illegal and unethical actions to lead to what happened to create monopolies?
 
Did they not use deciet political favors and other illegal and unethical actions to lead to what happened to create monopolies?

Deceit and "unethical" behavior are both "allowed" in Rand's libertopia.
 
I am currently reading atlas shrugged at what at first I thought was going to be a chore has become one of the most enjoyable books I've ever read. Why is this not taught in our schools its better than most of the crap I read for class

I read it about 30 years ago. Lots and lots and lots of words, to find a few nuggets of gold, but a good read. It's probably not taught in schools, because schools don't want to stress individualism and personal success anymore. Those two concepts have unfortunately become bad ideas in general, to many in our society.
 
Did they not use deciet political favors and other illegal and unethical actions to lead to what happened to create monopolies?

Even if they did, other than praying for utopoia, how do you propose dealing with corporate money/influence in politics that provides such monopolistic green pastures for these companies? Ignore it because the free market will magically fix it?
 
Even if they did, other than praying for utopoia, how do you propose dealing with corporate money/influence in politics that provides such monopolistic green pastures for these companies? Ignore it because the free market will magically fix it?

Cut the influence of government back to nothing more than the enumerated powers.
 
The problem boils down to the fact that Rand was not particularly libertarian on most anything - not only did she endorse the Vietnam War and believe that President Nixon did not go far enough in prosecuting it, but she was also quite socially conservative on issues like gay rights, not being well-predisposed at all towards the burgeoning gay liberation movement. Simply being a cheerleader for capitalism does not make one a libertarian (and, of course, Rand hated libertarians):



Now, of course, her "Libertarian - Right" supporters will forgive these things in a way they wouldn't for a "Libertarian - Left" partisan, because American 'libertarianism', so-called, is basically Pavlovian in its responses towards banal corporatist rhetoric.

If you want a real individualist - a radical individualist who went so much further than Ayn Rand that he left her in the dust a century before she wrote - you need look no further than the gentleman in my avatar:

But this is too much, too much! American 'libertarians' want to be "rugged individualists", not genuine individuals. They are content to march in lockstep with their Mises and their Hayek in their pockets, like all the rest of the 'individualists'.

I thought that was Stirner (I learned him as Schmidt). I haven't read any of his works. I'm a huge fan of Nietzsche and of Schopenhauer. Regarding those last two sentences, I'd agree - individualists to an extent. Nothing like a bit of hypocrisy.

No an uneducated mass of people's stupidity caused these problems no one forced them to buy these products.

Yeah - seeking treatment and thinking someone wouldn't try to kill them. Those idiots. :roll:
 
Cut the influence of government back to nothing more than the enumerated powers.

And then the remaining skeleton crew will then be impervious to corruption unlike before?
 
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