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Who won the first debate?

Who won?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 101 51.8%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 25 12.8%

  • Tie

    Votes: 3 1.5%

  • Neither

    Votes: 55 28.2%

  • Chris Wallace

    Votes: 11 5.6%
  • Total voters
    195
ReubenSherr said:
Because Wallace had no right to ask the question.

While we’re on the subject, why did Wallace bring up Trump’s taxes, but refused to even allow discussion of Hunter Biden?
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He has the right to ask the president directly if he will condem white supremacists


Trump refused to do so
 
calamity said:
Yeah, he killed 200,000 of them in less than 6 months. Now that's efficiency.
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that might be the biggest lie you have spewed. and that means something.
 
Schweddy said:
Well it was not so much as a "refusal" but more like he didn't directly.
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It was kind of weird because it would have been easy to say, "Yeah, I condemn racism and white supremacy." But, in the context of the moment, he just finished defending the old white lament about diversity training, and even whistled to the dogs with his racism "in reverse" remark.

So, I can see why he hesitated. He didn't want to alienate the racists he just spent the last thirty seconds pandering to.
 
trixare4kids said:
Wallace lost control of the debates so he was the real loser. Runner up loser was Joe Biden when he disrespected the POTUS, disrespected the office of the presidency, and called the president a "clown" a few times over the course of the debate. He also told the POTUS to shut up. So out of line...
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The total lack of consciousness, the incredible display of cognitive dissonance in this post is just overwhelming. How can ANYONE, left or right, con or lib, say with a straight face, honestly, anything close to what you are uttering with the clown that has occupied the WH over these past 3 years, breaking every conceivable norm?

My gawd, he just told white supremacists to prepare for orders........ IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEBATE!
 
trixare4kids said:
Antifi is not what Biden minimized them to be. Antifa is not an "idea" as Biden claims. They are real, they are people who act on expressing their views, and often do so by partaking in illegal activities; rioting, fire bombing, looting, and harming others. Antifa has many that are, in fact, also known anti-government extremists ; anarchists. Does that sound like an idea to you?
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When has Joe Biden ever expressed any public support for Antifa? Has he ever tweeted a picture of Antifa intimidating others and captioning it with "Great patriots"? Has he ever retweeted extremist propaganda from Antifa? Has he ever called Antifa "his people"?

It is quite a mountain of Trump's racism, support of white nationalists, and his endorsement of right-wing extremists that you have climb over before you can even bring up Antifa and try to tar Biden with it. Trump has praised armed right-wing militias, complemented domestic terrorist organizations, and shared white nationalist propaganda, but that doesn't seem to bother you at all. You have no problem with rationalizing it every time, but you want to try to dishonestly tar Biden with Antifa?? Say's a lot about you. Some of ya'll really need to do some self-reflection.
 
AlphaOmega said:
hahahahha...lefties dont care about Bidens racism. The you aint black comment was how long ago? I just want to confirm that you guys dont actually care about racism and that you only use it as a political weapon and obviously not very good.
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Just like they used Covid as a political weapon in mostly blue state cities where it all started and spread from there due to poor leadership by Democrat governors and mayors. You know those blue state cities who royally screwed up the initial response to the pandemic first...And let's not forget those blue states who continue to turn the blind eye to the violent response in their blue cities by anti-Trump and LE hating extremists? Yeah, they don't care about any of this... but getting the power back!
 
Well, after reading much of this thread, I can say this. My opinion of Trump supporters has not changed one iota.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
When has Joe Biden ever expressed any public support for Antifa? Has he ever tweeted a picture of Antifa intimidating others and captioning it with "Great patriots"? Has he ever retweeted extremist propaganda from Antifa? Has he ever called Antifa "his people"?

It is quite a mountain of Trump's racism, support of white nationalists, and his endorsement of right-wing extremists that you have climb over before you can even bring up Antifa and try to tar Biden with it. Trump has praised armed right-wing militias, complemented domestic terrorist organizations, and shared white nationalist propaganda, but that doesn't seem to bother you at all. You have no problem with rationalizing it every time, but you want to try to dishonestly tar Biden with Antifa?? Say's a lot about you. Some of ya'll really need to do some self-reflection.
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Wake up. Biden called Antifa an IDEA instead of condemning these violent extremists.
 
trixare4kids said:
Wake up. Biden called Antifa an IDEA instead of condemning these violent extremists.
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and he was right, what is teh problem??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
ASHES said:
He did in his way, which unfortunately for him, turned out pretty much how everyone expected. He's also already on the record condemning it, so it was also dishonest to imply that he had never done so.
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Your assertion is laughable considering his most trusted advisor, Stephen Miller, is a life long white nationalist. I am sure that if you went back through George Wallace's statements, you could find where he condemned the Klan, does that mean he wasn't a racist?
 
TurtleDude said:
the problem in the debate is that Biden engaged in over the line disrespect for the office of the President yet his fluffers continue to fluff him
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Seems to me that the President was the one who disrespected his own office, as he’s been doing for the last four years.

He will be remembered in history as an embarrassment to the nation forever.

In a decade, no one will admit they supported him or avoid the topic from embarrassment.

The odd question is why people don’t recognize that today.

Best explanation? It’s a cult.
 
Threegoofs said:
Seems to me that the President was the one who disrespected his own office, as he’s been doing for the last four years.

He will be remembered in history as an embarrassment to the nation forever.

In a decade, no one will admit they supported him or avoid the topic from embarrassment.

The odd question is why people don’t recognize that today.

Best explanation? It’s a cult.
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TDS twaddle
 
I don't know who won the debate, as I don't have a working knowledge of formal debate criteria for assessing points in a round to tabulate an overall winner.

What I did pick up, however, is concerning.

It appeared that Trump's narcissism prevented his ego from sitting quiet when Biden spoke critically of him. Though some might say it was Trump's strategy to interrupt and fluster Biden, and the effect of the constant interruptions did take its toll on Biden, understandably, and to the point where Biden started calling Trump names like "clown" and "racist" and "hey man". But I have a difficult time differentiating between where Trump's presumptive strategy leaves off and his narcissism kicks in. Considering that both sides signed off on no interrupting the other, I'm inclined to think that either Trump had no intention of honoring that or his narcissism got the better of him.

A few times Wallace tried to give Trump a question that was an actual opportunity for Trump to easily win a point, but Trump was so defensive with Wallace from the early going that it appeared Trump thought the question was a negative comment/accusation and Trump didn't handle it well. Two of these occurrences, that I recall at the moment, was once when Wallace asked Trump about why he discontinued diversity training, the easy answer that was present in Trump's official statement on it was that CRT is divisive, un-American, and, my comments, it's extremely racist against Whites which I'm sure has been spoken to the President, yet Trump fumbled that easy answer, and the second time was on the violence question where he could have quickly told right-wing groups to stand down and then spent a good minute talking about the truth in detail of the leftist group BLM being the sole initiator of violence throughout America putting the onus on Biden then to ask them to stop all the violence .. yet, he didn't.

Biden's performance wasn't at all spectacular, but he likely scored more "personable" points with the TV audience, despite his use of name-calling.

I know that debate is far from Trump's forte .. but I ended up at the end, with all of Trump's opportunities to easily slay Biden if he would just summon the appropriate detail in his presentation, thinking that either Trump doesn't have the ability to summon detail in such formats .. .. or someone else is running the country, such as Jared Kushner, Mark Meadows, Ivanka Trump .. or maybe a triumvirate of all three, as they clearly have spoken in the kind of detail about the issues that could have easily defeated Biden .. detail that Trump couldn't/didn't summon.

But arguably, a really strong personality is required to get things done, and Trump has indeed gotten a ton of good things done in his 3.5 years. A formal TV debate format does not imitate real White House scenarios where a strong ego, maybe even a narcissist, might be really good at running a company .. or a country .. with the right "triumvirate" assistance .. despite not appealing with a lot of feeling and respect for an opponent.

I don't like the personality quirks, glitches and narcissism of Trump at all .. but I can't argue with his administrations principled results to-date, especially the two Nobel Prize nominations .. and I think that the principled results "trump" the personality issues according to that old wise saying, "principles before personalities".

And, no matter how much "nicer" Biden-Harris might be, they may also thus be weak in international interactions with other nations' strong leaders .. and I know for a fact their socialist economic policy will run us into the ground. I know many viewers are judging the contestants with "would I want my mommy or daddy to behave like this toward me and my friends", a quite inappropriate way to decide who'd make the best President, all presidential tasks considered.

So regardless, I still look at the past four years and the actual behavior results of running the country, both domestically and internationally, especially socioeconomically, that's still my biggest focus, and I really don't care if it's Trump doing it and achieving the Nobel prize nominations or his triumvirate behind the scenes -- the good results remain. And, considering I know what Biden-Harris and the far left Critical Race Theorists that puppet them would do damage-wise to the economy and the social structure of America, I will still be holding my nose on November 3rd and putting my check mark next to Trump-Pence, not "for" them, but as the strongest possible vote against Biden-Harris.
 
Josie said:
No, not liars. Both sides have to agree on the stipulations of the debate. The story was the Biden campaign asked for breaks every 30 min. and both parties had to agree. Trump didn't. Just as Trump asked for Biden's ears to be checked for electronic devices and Biden disagreed.
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Why would VP Biden agree to any rules, djt agreed to the rules and ignored them.
 
trixare4kids said:
Just like they used Covid as a political weapon in mostly blue state cities where it all started and spread from there due to poor leadership by Democrat governors and mayors. You know those blue state cities who royally screwed up the initial response to the pandemic first...And let's not forget those blue states who continue to turn the blind eye to the violent response in their blue cities by anti-Trump and LE hating extremists? Yeah, they don't care about any of this... but getting the power back!
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The Orange Asshole had intel in Dec 2019, did not share it with ANY Guvs, did not get control of the infighting between the FDA, CDC over testing in March, did not create ANY tracking system, did not put into effect any meaningful travel restrictions......all of this should have been done BEFORE any responsibility was placed on guvs, GOP or Dem.

But keep shifting the responsibility, you do that well.
 
Lucky 1 said:
Biden got creamed as I knew he would...couldn't even answer straight forward questions like "would you pack the court' or do you support ending the filibuster.

Biden questioned about covid???? Pretty much a nothing burger for an answer....

Biden questioned on his record?...nothing there either.....

Biden questioned about law and order? ......pretty much crickets...

Biden says he does not not support the green new deal during the debate...but if you look at his website....it is a central to his platform....so which is it Joe??? Or maybe you cant remember???

All during this tumult of a debate...he you listened careful....Biden said nothing of substance

Trump came off as energetic, forceful and full of ideas and accomplishments ....and Biden just sounded like the tired, cranky old man without ideas that he is
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Every single thing you said in this post is a lie.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Joe would have looked in the camera, and said “I am not senile”?

Bull.
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Biden basically demonstrates he wasn’t senile with every answer.

After last night, the whole ‘dementia’ myth is only still alive for complete idiots who should probably be tested themselves for neuropsychological disorders.
 
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