Whites commit more crimes than blacks. Are they a problem race?

[US Conservative]

"Middle eastern"? Persian? Arab? WTF? Or is your argument going to be that libbers cannot hold Southern secessionist views (he does....durr)?

He's Egyptian, or Lebanese, IIRC, dont see it on his wikipedia page. Egyptian Christians take great offense at being labeled as arabs. Syriac/Lebanese do not.

See how silly it is to look for offense behind every corner? You should consider how this appears to others.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

There are more Whites in poverty than Blacks and Whites commit disproportionally far less crime.

I can keep repeating the same thing over and over, you are wrong since your proportion is comparing economic apples to oranges. There are a far larger proportion of blacks living in poverty and when white populations are held to the same level, CRIME levels are nearly the same.

Wrong.
The correlation is speculative and does not indicate causation.
The theory is that it is cause by what they think are correlations.
And again, that theory is not born out by the actual numbers such as for murder, which you keep ignoring.

The study is not focused exclusively on HOMICIDES because it is a very small sample of all crime, is subject to many small variances that are not understood. The topic is CRIME, not one very small aspect of CRIME.

Of course you have to prove what you put forth as correct.

No, I don't. The burden for disproving Ohio State profs is upon those objecting to their work.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

He's Egyptian, or Lebanese, IIRC, dont see it on his wikipedia page. Egyptian Christians take great offense at being labeled as arabs. Syriac/Lebanese do not.

See how silly it is to look for offense behind every corner? You should consider how this appears to others.

He was born in Melrose Mass, went to ivy league schools.....I have no idea what significance his supposed "race" is, he has adopted fully a libertarian ideology that incorporates Southern secessionist views. What is your frigging point?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I feel like you're bolstering my point. By your own statements your daughter should be a virtual failure because she got nothing from ages 0 to 9 (let alone age 5), yet because of the culture in your home she has been able to greatly overcome that unfortunate start and succeed.

Maybe not top of the class, but successful nonetheless.

Well as I have been saying throughout the thread, the difference is the home environments.

 

[US Conservative]

He was born in Melrose Mass, went to ivy league schools.....I have no idea what significance his supposed "race" is, he has adopted fully a libertarian ideology that incorporates Southern secessionist views. What is your frigging point?

Obama was born in the US, is he not authentically black? See how silly your logic is?

My point is that its not something you can dismiss (as you would like to) as a racist white guy.

Like I said, to a hammer the world is nails.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Obama was born in the US, is he not authentically black? See how silly your logic is?

What the fack does the President's ethnicity have to do with the fact that Woods is a libertarian with Southern secessionist views?

My point is that its not something you can dismiss (as you would like to) as a racist white guy.

WTF? I am a "racist white guy?

Like I said, to a hammer the world is nails.

I'm not sure which is worse, your horrible grammar, or your inability to understand that I have NOT been arguing all of the issues facing Blacks is racism, perhaps it is again not knowing what "component" means. But then, whenever someone needs an out, they invariably turn to trying to make the opponents argument into an absolute.

 

[US Conservative]

What the fack does the President's ethnicity have to do with the fact that Woods is a libertarian with Southern secessionist views?

WTF? I am a "racist white guy?

I'm not sure which is worse, your horrible grammar, or your inability to understand that I have NOT been arguing all of the issues facing Blacks is racism, perhaps it is again not knowing what "component" means. But then, whenever someone needs an out, they invariably turn to trying to make the opponents argument into an absolute.

:lol:

YOU seem to think Tom Woods place of birth matters-you mentioned it-as if his views are somehow less valid-or the HE was somehow a racist white guy.
Which is why I mentioned Obama.

 

[Excon]

I can keep repeating the same thing over and over, you are wrong since your proportion is comparing economic apples to oranges. There are a far larger proportion of blacks living in poverty and when white populations are held to the same level, CRIME levels are nearly the same.

:doh
You can repeat your nonsense all you want. You are still wrong.
There are more whites in poverty than blacks and blacks commit disproportionately far more crime than whites do.
Nothing you provided changes any of that.

The study is not focused exclusively on HOMICIDES because it is a very small sample of all crime, is subject to many small variances that are not understood. The topic is CRIME, not one very small aspect of CRIME.

The topic is all crime which your "study" (cough) does not account for. Not only that, it uses a small sample as well, which also makes it meaningless.

No, I don't. The burden for disproving Ohio State profs is upon those objecting to their work.

Wrong again.
It is on you, as you hold it out as applicable when it is not.
Nor could you, as you already demonstrated.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

:lol:

YOU seem to think Tom Woods place of birth matters-you mentioned it-as if his views are somehow less valid-or the HE was somehow a racist white guy.
Which is why I mentioned Obama.

I said he is a libertarian that holds to Southern Secessionist views (which he DOES, you cannot dispute that).

You brought up his "supposed" race, as if that makes a difference, it wasn't until then that I mentioned his birthplace and education.....none of which has any bearing on his VIEWS. Conservatives, especially today, hold to lots of Southern POV's of the past...IT IS THEIR CHOICE, but I suppose mentioning that would be embarrassing for some.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

:doh
You can repeat your nonsense all you want. You are still wrong.
There are more whites in poverty than blacks and blacks commit disproportionately far more crime than whites do.
Nothing you provided changes any of that.

I never expected to change your POV, but if you wish to hold to very bad stat analysis, by all means, do so, it is not my problem.

The topic is all crime which your "study" (cough) does not account for. Not only that, it uses a small sample as well, which also makes it meaningless.

Jezbus, first you objected because it did not focus on just one crime, now you don't like it because it does not account for "ALL" crime....wow. Your inane arguments continue.

Wrong again.
It is on you, as you hold it out as applicable when it is not.
Nor could you, as you already demonstrated.

Well, I suppose it isn't "applicable" to your standards, since they have gone from one small measure to some absolute all encompassing measure of total crime. Talk about moving a goalpost around.

Besides, I have no idea how you can criticize it when you have not read it.

 

[Excon]

I never expected to change your POV, but if you wish to hold to very bad stat analysis, by all means, do so, it is not my problem.

:doh iLOL
You are the only one hold to a bad stat analysis. :lamo
That is your problem.

Jezbus, first you objected because it did not focus on just one crime, now you don't like it because it does not account for "ALL" crime....wow. Your inane arguments continue.

Jezbus ... Wow!
This is you not having paid attention to what has been said all along.
It was (and continues to be) discounted for several reasons.

Well, I suppose it isn't "applicable" to your standards, since they have gone from one small measure to some absolute all encompassing measure of total crime. Talk about moving a goalpost around.

It isn't applicable as it doesn't apply.
And no one has move any goal posts. You have been told it doesn't apply for multiple reasons from the very get you argued it in reply to me.

Besides, I have no idea how you can criticize it when you have not read it.

This is what, like the umpteenth time you have said something like this and each time you have been told you are wrong. Yet you do not learn. Figures.
You are as wrong as they are.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

:

This is what, like the umpteenth time you have said something like this and each time you have been told you are wrong. Yet you do not learn. Figures.
You are as wrong as they are.

To win a debate is not done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong", you have to actually read the doc, post what you think is wrong and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.

 

[Excon]

To win a debate is not done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong", you have to actually read the doc, post what you think is wrong and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.

I see you are capable of defining what you are engaged in, so how about showing how what you presented is correct.
Oh, that's right, you can't. :doh

You have been told you are wrong and why you are wrong.
Deal with it. Oh, that's right, you can't. :doh

 

[US Conservative]

I said he is a libertarian that holds to Southern Secessionist views (which he DOES, you cannot dispute that).

You brought up his "supposed" race, as if that makes a difference, it wasn't until then that I mentioned his birthplace and education.....none of which has any bearing on his VIEWS. Conservatives, especially today, hold to lots of Southern POV's of the past...IT IS THEIR CHOICE, but I suppose mentioning that would be embarrassing for some.

He's certainly NOT a conservative, in fact hes one of the most well known (and intelligent) libertarians that I have heard/read.
You are trying to imply that there is racism implied, by your claim that he holds a "Southern Secessionist views" :doh

Its intellectually lazy to try and brush off all data contradictory to your dogma as "racist".

 

[radcen]

To win a debate is not done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong", you have to actually read the doc, post what you think is wrong and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.

I should like this, then dislike it, just so I can like it a second time.

 

[Caine]

Nowhere did I create, state or imply that every US white holds racist/discriminatory views. That would be as stupid as teaching your children that racism/discrimination has been removed entirely from the US....brah.

No..

You are just perpetuating the "Blame whitey" excuse for any failure of any black person in the US..... Which is an absolutely horrible way of excusing anyone of personal responsibility.

 

[Caine]

Actually, caine's response was pure straw and I suppose your view is that racial discrimination plays no part in Black socioeconomic conditions?

Considering Racism was a much bigger problem in the 1950s and black poverty existed back then too, however black crime rates weren't nearly where they are now...... I would say that no racial discrimination plays no part in the crime problem........

crime being the original topic of this thread.

 

[mbig]

To win a debate is NOT done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong",
you have to actually Read the doc, Post what you Think is Wrong
and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.

Going for the Hypocrisy Emmy?

You dismissed Rushton and Jensen's review of 60 Years of IQ Tests/studies with one word... "Rushton".. WITHOUT refuting a single concept, much less.. "Post what you think is wrong".

and of course, not even addressing the Wikpedia/scientific Consensus that IQ is 75%-85% HERITABLE.

Blinding Hypocrisy and total washout in response to my Two Meaty posts. (#212, #214)

 

[Caine]

There is noting more absurd than demanding someone prove an analysis is correct instead of showing it is false.

So you are allowed to make assumptions as to the cause of something from looking at data and you don't have the burden to prove that your analysis holds true?

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[Caine]

I'm well aware that state sponsored racism has been nearly eliminated, the question was one of what is in peoples beliefs. As I said, the percent might be lower, but the nominal level, I'm not so sure....especially after spending some time here. So are you going to argue that white flight has no component of racism?

Ignoring your false notion of "failure", are you going to argue that opposition to busing had no component of racism?

What the hell are you talking about? Redlining was countered in the early 1970's. The FORMATION of these districts.....was caused by....wait for it.....RACISM.

What you don't seem to understand about his point was that nobody has done anything to change those conditions in the decades since legislation made all these forms of segregation illegal.

People have still CHOSEN to live near other people who are like them, whether they be white, black, chinese, hispanic, etc.

However, it is only racist when WHITES choose to live near other whites.... :roll:

 

[Gimmesometruth]

any black person

You know, I just got through trying to make the point that nowhere did I make an absolute argument, and that it would as dumb for me to do so as for you to teach you kids that racism has been totally eliminated.....and the stupidity of making an absolute argument...got right past you once again.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Considering Racism was a much bigger problem in the 1950s and black poverty existed back then too, however black crime rates weren't nearly where they are now...... I would say that no racial discrimination plays no part in the crime problem........

crime being the original topic of this thread.

I'm sorry, are you trying to argue that Black crime rates (and crime in general) is greater now?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

cause of something

What "causation" are you assuming was being debated in the analysis by Peterson et al?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

What you don't seem to understand about his point was that nobody has done anything to change those conditions in the decades since legislation made all these forms of segregation illegal.

Really, no progress was made on busing/education? Redlining is as a big of an issue as it was prior to the 1970's?

People have still CHOSEN to live near other people who are like them, whether they be white, black, chinese, hispanic, etc.

I think that was covered.

However, it is only racist when WHITES choose to live near other whites.... :roll:

Again, with the stupid, moronic absolute argument. If I remember correctly, I said:


So are you going to argue that white flight has no component of racism?

Is the bolded an absolute? Nope.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Rushton

Thank god this racist SOB is dead and buried. It has been said that it is the only cure for racist beliefs.