Whites commit more crimes than blacks. Are they a problem race?

[Gimmesometruth]

I asked a simple question

I know the answer-blacks commit more murders than whites

you have been terrified to answer the question

There are more poor whites than there are poor blacks

if poverty was the cause of crime, whites would commit more murders than blacks

they do not

I provided stats on poverty

Excon provided stats on murders

and rather than answer an easy question, you evaded and dodged and bobbed because you realize your argument is specious

First off, the data I provided breaks down the levels of both non and violent crime for urban areas, including homicides. You, like excon, have not even bothered to understand how you get to an apples to apples comparison, you have not even bothered to read the analysis. Excon did not break the numbers down to economic levels, just as you will not.

The bigger point is what you want to attribute the "higher" rates to. Your answer is genetics.....without explanation.

 

[TurtleDude]

First off, the data I provided breaks down the levels of both non and violent crime for urban areas, including homicides. You, like excon, have not even bothered to understand how you get to an apples to apples comparison, you have not even bothered to read the analysis. Excon did not break the numbers down to economic levels, just as you will not.

The bigger point is what you want to attribute the "higher" rates to. Your answer is genetics.....without explanation.

you just cannot bring yourself to answer the question. It has nothing to do with genetics.

its culture

 

[Gimmesometruth]

that is not the case with most magnet schools, top colleges etc.

How does that work, since the whole idea with magnet schools is to cause desegregation, to cause a higher ratio of minorities. would not great levels of integration cause more minorities to be top learners?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

you just cannot bring yourself to answer the question. It has nothing to do with genetics.

its (sic) culture

Oh, it is (it's) "culture"....which is ethnicity.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

:doh
Speculation as to what the numbers mean.

Besides being wrong I suggest you stop confusing the two.

Here you are, suggesting "two" of something, but you only mention one, "speculation". Kirov and Peterson did not "speculate", they analyzed the "hard" data that you refuse to read or acknowledge.

Again.

Besides previously not recognizing that their theory.​

Um, again, no theory, the paper is an analysis of data.

The speculation, imagination, and straw is all on you and all due to not reading the pdf.​

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh, it is (it's) "culture"....which is ethnicity.

the idiotic comments continue. a black raised in a white household isn't held down by black culture. Lets see if you can answer the question

more than FIFTY PERCENT OF THE MURDERS IN THE USA were committed by

A) blacks

B) non Hispanic whites

C) Hispanics

D) Asians

E) Hasidic Jews

 

[Gimmesometruth]

the idiotic comments continue. a black raised in a white household isn't held down by black culture.

He could be, but more than likely he would be held down by white culture......which is the point after all. It is not as if because he was raised in "white culture" that he will suddenly be accepted by whites. Throughout your argument you have eliminated racism, the effect of racism, from affecting the "culture" that is being discriminated against. For you, it has no effect on income, poverty, crime....nope, one "culture" has no effect on another, according to you the problem is all about internal culture issues, no externalities.

 

[US Conservative]

So instead of addressing the studies I linked to, you just throw around insults. I work at a senior level in IT and have for nearly 2 decades now, so I know how to read a study too.

Once again, you cannot compare the intelligence levels between different demographics without also accounting for differences in income levels, education opportunities, families and so on. That is why adoption studies are useful when making such a comparison. Over the last several decades several such studies have been done, some I linked to, and the majority of them found that when you take a black infant and raise them in a white middle class household, the disparities in IQ levels and Standardized Test results largely disappear. If blacks as you claim were innately less intelligent, that would not be the case.

Im sorry but you absolutely can. You are simply mistaken.

 

[celticwar17]

Not a racial issue, but a socioeconomic issue. Those of lower socieconomic status tend to commit more crimes, and blacks, currently tend to be, more often, of lower socioeconomiic status. Long time ago when I researched this, I read somewhere that poor whites tend to commit crimes at a similar percentage as poor blacks.

Actually.... that is statistically not true... I think it also has a lot to do with culture..

 

[ocean515]

the real fun is going to be when blacks lose their status as MFM (most favored minority) with the Dems, and spoils once reserved for them starts going to Latinos

It seems to me, that has already happened. The rhetoric coming from the anointed Presidential candidate on the left, along with the party apparatchiks, just seek to keep it under wraps.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Your assertion was that the war on poverty made people poorer. The statistics on poverty rates before and after the war on poverty completely refute that argument. Regardless of what one thinks about the war on poverty, it did significantly reduce poverty rates.

My apologies, I am just getting back to this thread and forgot about this entry. I would be happy to continue discussing it even though it appears the thread is well beyond what we were talking about.

 

[haymarket]

Well, I am chastising them for voting Democratic, given the way that party has abandoned them for the next group they are trying to exploit. Illegal aliens have decimated economic opportunity in Black Communities across the nation. They have taken jobs, over taken traditional black communities, and are being rewarded for doing so.

I hope they wake up to this fact and do something about it. That hope has nothing to do with color of skin, so perhaps you should check your reactions at the door before allowing your preconceived prejudice to influence your perceptions.

Yes - you seem to be taking the unmistakable position that an entire race of millions and millions of people are completely ignorant of what is good for them politically and you know better.

 

[Excon]

unknown, since there are over a half million missing persons in 2011, the majority being White.

:doh

Wrong. It is known.
But way to show you ignore that which shows your position to be flawed.

Here you are, suggesting "two" of something, but you only mention one, "speculation". Kirov and Peterson did not "speculate", they analyzed the "hard" data that you refuse to read or acknowledge.
Um, again, no theory, the paper is an analysis of data.

The speculation, imagination, and straw is all on you and all due to not reading the pdf.

And here you are again being wrong.
They speculated as to what the numbers meant.
It is nothing more than theory.

A theory that does not hold up to scrutiny of actual numbers like murder rates, or to the fact that there are far more poor whites than poor blacks.

And way to avoid recognizing the following, again.

Besides previously not recognizing that their theory does not apply to all crime, apparently you also fail to realize that they are aggregating all of violent crime into a generalization, which does not account for the disparity in individual crimes such as murder.

For anyone to hold it out as meaningful in such light is beyond ludicrous.​

 

[Gimmesometruth]

:doh

Wrong. It is known.
But way to show you ignore that which shows your position to be flawed.

Nope, 500K missing persons...and the FBI only tabulates "known" preps, unknowns are just that, unknown.

And here you are again being wrong.
They speculated as to what the numbers meant.
It is nothing more than theory.

You can keep pecking this out, but the fact is you still have not read one page...nor documented what you claim to be "speculation"...because.....you have not opened the pdf.

A theory that does not hold up to scrutiny of actual numbers like murder rates, or to the fact that there are far more poor whites than poor blacks.And way to avoid recognizing the following, again.Besides previously not recognizing that their theory does not apply to all crime, apparently you also fail to realize that they are aggregating all of violent crime into a generalization, which does not account for the disparity in individual crimes such as murder.For anyone to hold it out as meaningful in such light is beyond ludicrous.

They document and analyze the data, no "theories", an accounting of homicides, assaults, rapes, ie violent crimes and non-violent crimes seperately....which, by the way is the topic of the thread. I'm sorry that it doesn't jibe with your Stormfront sourced/plagiarized data where you include Hispanics, but it just isn't a source I want to depend on.

 

[Caine]

No race is a problem, but some people who belong to all of the races on this planet are a problem.

Those people who belong to all of the races on this planet who are the problem when it comes to violent crime are called "thugs".

"Thugs" do not have a race..........

 

[Caine]

He could be, but more than likely he would be held down by white culture......which is the point after all. It is not as if because he was raised in "white culture" that he will suddenly be accepted by whites. Throughout your argument you have eliminated racism, the effect of racism, from affecting the "culture" that is being discriminated against. For you, it has no effect on income, poverty, crime....nope, one "culture" has no effect on another, according to you the problem is all about internal culture issues, no externalities.

So... what you are essentially saying is that by being a white family dude who teaches his children good morals and behavior I am negatively causing "the black man" to be poor and resort to violence.



Cool story bro....

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Actually.... that is statistically not true... I think it also has a lot to do with culture..

I clarified that in my later post.

 

[US Conservative]

So... what you are essentially saying is that by being a white family dude who teaches his children good morals and behavior I am negatively causing "the black man" to be poor and resort to violence.



Cool story bro....

Welcome to the lefty portrayal of reality.

 

[Excon]

Nope, 500K missing persons...and the FBI only tabulates "known" preps, unknowns are just that, unknown.

:doh
You are lost.
The tabulated data is for convictions.
That shows black commit more murder than whites.
All you are doing is showing you do not want to deal with the known facts.

You can keep pecking this out, but the fact is you still have not read one page...nor documented what you claim to be "speculation"...because.....you have not opened the pdf.

You keep being wrong. Figures.

They document and analyze the data, no "theories", an accounting of homicides, assaults, rapes, ie violent crimes and non-violent crimes seperately....which, by the way is the topic of the thread.

1. No, the topic is whites commit more crime than blacks.
2. No, they speculate as to what the numbers mean. That is nothing more than theory.
A theory that does not hold up to scrutiny of actual numbers like murder rates, or to the fact that there are far more poor whites than poor blacks.
You simply can not get around that. Yet you continue to make excuses. Shame.

I'm sorry that it doesn't jibe with your Stormfront sourced/plagiarized data where you include Hispanics, but it just isn't a source I want to depend on.

:lamo
Spare us your racist storm front bs, especially as it shows you have no valid argument.

If you have a gripe with the information take it to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) where it was obtained. Which again just shows you have no valid argument.

And you continuing to bring up the fact that the data includes Hispanics in the totals is absurdity. Absent that inclusion, the stats for crime decline more so for whites than for blacks.

 

[radcen]

The insinuation that US Conservative is making is that blacks are genetically inferior, thus their lower IQ scores. My point is that unless you accounted for differences in income, families, and the education of the parents, you cannot make such an assertion.

Sure, there are cultural differences, but the main reason why blacks statistically don't do as well as whites in much of the world is the lack of early childhood education / enrichment due to growing up in poverty, broken homes, raised by single mothers or grandparents and so on. Its a vicious cycle.

Since SE Asia has stabilized there aren't too many "boat people" coming from there anymore, but how do you explain that a 12 yr old kid could escape their home country on a raft, end up in the US, unable to speak a word of English, then 5 years later graduate valedictorian of their high school with a full-blown academic scholarship to some prestigious university, and now being able to speak perfect English?

And this was not uncommon. A great many Asian immigrants commonly outperformed everybody who had been born and raised here.

 

[MAGAnificent]

FBI — Table 43

Whites commit 68 percent of all crimes in the United States.

If the racists on Fox news call blacks a problem race, then whites are DEFINITELY a problem race as well.

Per capita blacks commit the most crimes. I am going to go out on a limb and assume that you know this which means you are merely engaged in baiting. Personally I do not see it as a race issue other then the fact that high crime in the inner cities by blacks or whites is the unintended result of the democrat party's ill advised war on poverty.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

So... what you are essentially saying is that by being a white family dude who teaches his children good morals and behavior I am negatively causing "the black man" to be poor and resort to violence.Cool story bro....

Nowhere did I create, state or imply that every US white holds racist/discriminatory views. That would be as stupid as teaching your children that racism/discrimination has been removed entirely from the US....brah.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Since SE Asia has stabilized there aren't too many "boat people" coming from there anymore, but how do you explain that a 12 yr old kid could escape their home country on a raft, end up in the US, unable to speak a word of English, then 5 years later graduate valedictorian of their high school with a full-blown academic scholarship to some prestigious university, and now being able to speak perfect English?

And this was not uncommon. A great many Asian immigrants commonly outperformed everybody who had been born and raised here.

How much education and enrichment in the home did they get at an early age? If you get nothing from age 0 to 5, then some forms of reasoning are going to be next to impossible for you as an adult no matter how hard you try. One of our adopted daughters came here at age 9, she works harder in school than the majority of her peers, she is almost always honor roll. However, because she had zero education before she came here, some forms of abstract reasoning are impossible for her and she does poorly on standardized tests.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Welcome to the lefty portrayal of reality.

Actually, caine's response was pure straw and I suppose your view is that racial discrimination plays no part in Black socioeconomic conditions?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Those people who belong to all of the races on this planet who are the problem when it comes to violent crime are called "thugs".

"Thugs" do not have a race..........

How ironic, this is precisely what the analysis by Krivo and Peterson find.