Whites commit more crimes than blacks. Are they a problem race?

[Gimmesometruth]

Clearly you obviously do not understand what you presented. As your further replies show.
You Back up those numbers that you hold forth to be true. That is your job. Not mine. You need to demonstrate how they arrived at their numbers of 22 and 20 out of a thousand.

Remember that is their theory (speculation based on the factors they decided were relevant), is not hard factual data.

Besides previously not recognizing that their theory doe s not apply to all crime, apparently you also fail to realize that they are aggregating all of violent crime into a generalization, which does not account for the disparity in individual crimes such as murder.

For anyone to hold it out as meaningful in such light is beyond ludicrous.

Again, it is not up to me to prove that Kivor And Peterson are correct, YOU ARE DISPUTING THEIR WORK, it is up TO YOU to disprove it by showing their error(s). You can't so you shift the burden...to me!

 

[Excon]

Well. I guess the "not" hard data...hit pretty hard.

:doh
What a lame reply. You provided no hard data.
You showed that they relied upon speculation as to what the numbers could mean. Nothing more.
Funny you don't understand that.

Again, it is not up to me to prove that Kivor And Peterson are correct, YOU ARE DISPUTING THEIR WORK, it is up TO YOU to disprove it by showing their error(s). You can't so you shift the burden...to me!

Wrong.
It is upon you to show how they arrived at their numbers as that is your argument.

Secondly as with all the other stuff that you failed to recognize (which already refutes your presentation) you also fail to recognize that their theory is based on speculation. It is nothing more than conjecture.

You obviously do not understand the difference between the hard numbers and the conjecture/speculation used in guessing what those numbers mean.
Duh!
That is what you get for not paying attention, as that was already pointed out to you.

If you weren't so emotionally invested in their speculative drive to make excuses, you would be able to acknowledge that this doesn't hold true for the hard numbers such as murder, which has repeatedly been pointed out to you.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

there are more whites living in poverty in the USA than there are blacks of all economic cohorts. yet Black males commit more murders and armed robberies than all the whites. that suggests that poor whites do NOT commit violent crimes at the same rate that poor blacks do

now you might claim and it has some merit-that poor whites tend to live in Rural areas and poor blacks tend to live in inner cities and that might explain some of the variances

but it doesn't explain why blacks commit more murders than whites when the numbers are grossly different in terms of population

There is a difference between living in a rural area, where violent crime is not part of the culture and where the population is not as densely populated as living in an urban are where violent crime is more part of culture and abundant, and the opportunity is higher. We have a number of factors going on here, both environment and socioeconomic status. Also, if it was a racial issue, we'd see the same percentages in less poor blacks, or the same disparity between them and their white counterparts. We don't.

 

[Paralogic]

FBI — Table 43

Whites commit 68 percent of all crimes in the United States.

If the racists on Fox news call blacks a problem race, then whites are DEFINITELY a problem race as well.

Not if racists are the ones making the argument. They would never acknowledge their racist attitude.

 

[Fenton]

Not if racists are the ones making the argument. They would never acknowledge their racist attitude.

Lol !!

 

[TurtleDude]

Show me that the data they used is "not" hard data.

do blacks commit more murders than whites in the USA?

 

[ocean515]

do blacks commit more murders than whites in the USA?

The real shame that I hope Blacks finally have a epiphany over, is the treatment, and perhaps a realization of how they are viewed, by liberal/progressives. Illegal aliens are decimating economic opportunity for Blacks across the country. They are taking jobs, and educational opportunities from blacks who are desperate for them. Yet, liberal/progressives have cast Blacks aside as they pander to this new potential voting block, and reward illegals with programs and policies Blacks could only dream of.

In the end, it is amazing to me that Blacks continue to show support for a party, and an ideology, that is demonstrably hostile to them. I hope they finally wake up to this fact and ignore the propaganda that should be insulting to them, and show support for a party and philosophy that seeks nothing more than providing the opportunity for all people to realize their greatest potential.

 

[haymarket]

In the end, it is amazing to me that Blacks continue to show support for a party, and an ideology, that is demonstrably hostile to them. I hope they finally wake up to this fact and ignore the propaganda that should be insulting to them, and show support for a party and philosophy that seeks nothing more than providing the opportunity for all people to realize their greatest potential.

Are you saying that you and some whites know what is better - politically - for African Americans than they themselves do?

 

[ocean515]

Are you saying that you and some whites know what is better - politically - for African Americans than they themselves do?

WTH? Where did I write anything about whites knowing what is better for Blacks?

 

[haymarket]

WTH? Where did I write anything about whites knowing what is better for Blacks?

Then perhaps I read too much into your comments that I reproduced and if I did I am sorry. However, I took away the clear impression that you were chastising them for voting Democratic and not seeing things the way you do.

 

[ocean515]

Then perhaps I read too much into your comments that I reproduced and if I did I am sorry. However, I took away the clear impression that you were chastising them for voting Democratic and not seeing things the way you do.

Well, I am chastising them for voting Democratic, given the way that party has abandoned them for the next group they are trying to exploit. Illegal aliens have decimated economic opportunity in Black Communities across the nation. They have taken jobs, over taken traditional black communities, and are being rewarded for doing so.

I hope they wake up to this fact and do something about it. That hope has nothing to do with color of skin, so perhaps you should check your reactions at the door before allowing your preconceived prejudice to influence your perceptions.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

do blacks commit more murders than whites in the USA?

unknown, since there are over a half million missing persons in 2011, the majority being White.

 

[Capster78]

I think anyone who takes the OP's message seriously need to go back and take 3rd grade math again.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

What a lame reply. You provided no hard data.
You showed that they relied upon speculation as to what the numbers could mean. Nothing more.
Funny you don't understand that.

Clearly you obviously do not understand what you presented. As your further replies show.
You Back up those numbers that you hold forth to be true. That is your job. Not mine. You need to demonstrate how they arrived at their numbers of 22 and 20 out of a thousand.

Remember that is their theory (speculation based on the factors they decided were relevant), is not hard factual data.

I always enjoy it when folks confuse statistical analysis with "theory", especially when they make claims of understanding. The "tell" of course was when you refused to even quote the data sources I copied from the analysis. The denial is strong, but it all points to not even opening the pdf.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

You are name dropping "peer reviewed studies" like you know what it means, when clearly you can't interpret basic data.
Ironically, I received my doctorate this month-which means Ive been peer reviewed.

Something for you to ponder-how can facts be racist? Does the truth have an agenda to you?

So instead of addressing the studies I linked to, you just throw around insults. I work at a senior level in IT and have for nearly 2 decades now, so I know how to read a study too.

Once again, you cannot compare the intelligence levels between different demographics without also accounting for differences in income levels, education opportunities, families and so on. That is why adoption studies are useful when making such a comparison. Over the last several decades several such studies have been done, some I linked to, and the majority of them found that when you take a black infant and raise them in a white middle class household, the disparities in IQ levels and Standardized Test results largely disappear. If blacks as you claim were innately less intelligent, that would not be the case.

 

[TurtleDude]

The real shame that I hope Blacks finally have a epiphany over, is the treatment, and perhaps a realization of how they are viewed, by liberal/progressives. Illegal aliens are decimating economic opportunity for Blacks across the country. They are taking jobs, and educational opportunities from blacks who are desperate for them. Yet, liberal/progressives have cast Blacks aside as they pander to this new potential voting block, and reward illegals with programs and policies Blacks could only dream of.

In the end, it is amazing to me that Blacks continue to show support for a party, and an ideology, that is demonstrably hostile to them. I hope they finally wake up to this fact and ignore the propaganda that should be insulting to them, and show support for a party and philosophy that seeks nothing more than providing the opportunity for all people to realize their greatest potential.

the real fun is going to be when blacks lose their status as MFM (most favored minority) with the Dems, and spoils once reserved for them starts going to Latinos

 

[TurtleDude]

So instead of addressing the studies I linked to, you just throw around insults. I work at a senior level in IT and have for nearly 2 decades now, so I know how to read a study too.

Once again, you cannot compare the intelligence levels between different demographics without also accounting for differences in income levels, education opportunities, families and so on. That is why adoption studies are useful when making such a comparison. Over the last several decades several such studies have been done, some I linked to, and the majority of them found that when you take a black infant and raise them in a white middle class household, the disparities in IQ levels and Standardized Test results largely disappear. If blacks as you claim were innately less intelligent, that would not be the case.

its a matter of cultural environment. Its why groups that were subjected to withering persecution-European Jews in 70 years ago, and "boat people" 40 years ago-have been able to well out perform blacks in academic environments in the USA. as I noted once in a post on DP, I went to a wealthy prep school that gave blacks scholarships and attracted the wealthiest black students in the area as well. One of my black friends-who later became the first African-American class president at an extremely prestigious college and later was at Yale in graduate school (he was gay and died of AIDS about 24 years ago)-noted that when his Jewish and white friends were accepted into big name schools like Yale or Williams, Amherst or Cornell, there were parties thrown. I remember the top guy in my class-accepted Early at Amherst invited me to a party his college professor father threw for him and that same professor-seeing me from across the athletic fields (I was a track guy, his son on the varsity tennis team)-hurried over to congratulate me for being accepted early into Yale. My black friend noted that when he was accepted to an equally prestigious school, the kids in his neighborhood called him uncle tom and "acting white"

I think that has much to do with why 2% of the Population (Jews in America) have produced many times more Phi Beta Kappas at big name universities, etc than blacks who are 6 times more numerous.

 

[TurtleDude]

unknown, since there are over a half million missing persons in 2011, the majority being White.

more evasions

You realize answering the question correctly is going to smite your silly argument and cleave it to the bone

 

[ALiberalModerate]

its a matter of cultural environment. Its why groups that were subjected to withering persecution-European Jews in 70 years ago, and "boat people" 40 years ago-have been able to well out perform blacks in academic environments in the USA. as I noted once in a post on DP, I went to a wealthy prep school that gave blacks scholarships and attracted the wealthiest black students in the area as well. One of my black friends-who later became the first African-American class president at an extremely prestigious college and later was at Yale in graduate school (he was gay and died of AIDS about 24 years ago)-noted that when his Jewish and white friends were accepted into big name schools like Yale or Williams, Amherst or Cornell, there were parties thrown. I remember the top guy in my class-accepted Early at Amherst invited me to a party his college professor father threw for him and that same professor-seeing me from across the athletic fields (I was a track guy, his son on the varsity tennis team)-hurried over to congratulate me for being accepted early into Yale. My black friend noted that when he was accepted to an equally prestigious school, the kids in his neighborhood called him uncle tom and "acting white"

I think that has much to do with why 2% of the Population (Jews in America) have produced many times more Phi Beta Kappas at big name universities, etc than blacks who are 6 times more numerous.

I agree that culture is certainly a factor, but so is early childhood enrichment / education both in and out of the home. The kind of enrichment you get in a stable home early in your childhood is crucial to your academic and intellectual development later in life.

 

[TurtleDude]

I agree that culture is certainly a factor, but so is early childhood enrichment / education both in and out of the home. The kind of enrichment you get in a stable home early in your childhood is crucial to your academic and intellectual development later in life.

which is often cultural. the fact that 75-80% of black babies come from "shacking up" rather than two married parents is a major problem

 

[Gimmesometruth]

more evasions

You realize answering the question correctly is going to smite your silly argument and cleave it to the bone

Did you find those homicide stats by poor Whites yet, the ones you were supposed to provide?

Lemme know, trusty.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

which is often cultural. the fact that 75-80% of black babies come from "shacking up" rather than two married parents is a major problem

I will say this though. The yearly academic achievement awards ceremony was held for our kid's middle school the other day. The kids with the most awards were disproportionately black or hispanic and I assure you their parents were very proud.

 

[Excon]

I always enjoy it when folks confuse statistical analysis with "theory", especially when they make claims of understanding. The "tell" of course was when you refused to even quote the data sources I copied from the analysis. The denial is strong, but it all points to not even opening the pdf.

:doh
Speculation as to what the numbers mean.

Besides being wrong I suggest you stop confusing the two.

Again.

Besides previously not recognizing that their theory does not apply to all crime, apparently you also fail to realize that they are aggregating all of violent crime into a generalization, which does not account for the disparity in individual crimes such as murder.

For anyone to hold it out as meaningful in such light is beyond ludicrous.​

 

[TurtleDude]

Did you find those homicide stats by poor Whites yet, the ones you were supposed to provide?

Lemme know, trusty.

I asked a simple question

I know the answer-blacks commit more murders than whites

you have been terrified to answer the question

There are more poor whites than there are poor blacks

if poverty was the cause of crime, whites would commit more murders than blacks

they do not

I provided stats on poverty

Excon provided stats on murders

and rather than answer an easy question, you evaded and dodged and bobbed because you realize your argument is specious

 

[TurtleDude]

I will say this though. The yearly academic achievement awards ceremony was held for our kid's middle school the other day. The kids with the most awards were disproportionately black or hispanic and I assure you their parents were very proud.

that is not the case with most magnet schools, top colleges etc.