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Okay, so post some. That's what we do here. That's how we roll. And incidentally, whatever on yer "meh." :roll:Meh, there a plenty of studies that disagree with your conclusions, so whatever on that "objective" research.
Exactly. This is the old cum hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy that if two events happen simultaneously one must cause the other. Thanks for that.
Okay. I can live with that. Sometimes the best argument is simply to not try and justify your belief at all. Just put it out there. I can respect your opinion.EVEN IF the DP deterred murders, it would still be wrong, IMO.
I live next door to Louisiana, and yes, it is considered a border state and has a large number of Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal) since Hurricane Katrina, high poverty levels , even higher school dropout rates, so.....yes, it "fits the bill". As far as Oklahoma, it has one of the largest populations of Native Americans (which experience extremely high poverty and unemployment rates - as an ethnic group) and has one of the higher rates for alcoholism (ranks #11 in alcohol related deaths - see link below) in the US. So, again, it too "fits the bill." Sorry. :shrug:
Alcohol related traffic fatalities (per capita) statistics - states compared - StateMaster Health
Here's a general overview:Okay, so post some. That's what we do here. That's how we roll. And incidentally, whatever on yer "meh." :roll:
Here's a general overview:
Cassy Stubbs: The Death Penalty Deterrence Myth: No Solid Evidence That Killing Stops The Killing
Studies/Evidence Against Deterrence:
http://bpp.wharton.upenn.edu/jwolfers/Papers/DeathPenalty(SLR).pdf
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FaganTestimony.pdf
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/DonohueDeter.pdf
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/files/DeterrenceStudy2009.pdf
Okay. I can live with that. Sometimes the best argument is simply to not try and justify your belief at all. Just put it out there. I can respect your opinion.
Well, I don't believe "right" and "wrong" should factor into sentencing since they're so subjective. I think it should be about safety and killing people doesn't really help safety anymore than life sentences.Killing a murderer is the right thing to do.
Well, I don't believe "right" and "wrong" should factor into sentencing since they're so subjective. I think it should be about safety and killing people doesn't really help safety anymore than life sentences.
Homicide rates in prison are ridiculously low and the most heinous killers are usually kept separate from prisoners, so I don't think that's a huge issue. That said, the safety of society is still equal between the death sentence and life in prison.yes it does.
both penalties remove the murderer from society at large, but only one has him housed with other ,lesser, criminals ... and a lifer has nothing to lose, so he can kill at will in prison.
Homicide rates in prison are ridiculously low and the most heinous killers are usually kept separate from prisoners, so I don't think that's a huge issue. That said, the safety of society is still equal between the death sentence and life in prison.
law is nothing more or less than a formalized public moral system - your beliefs, your morals, your emotions, they are going to be part of it. we punish child rape more harshly than adult rape because we feel a special revulsion at the evil of the crime.
no tears for this guy. my main problem is the length of time it took from trial to burial - the hoops and steps and length of our death penalty serves to disconnect it in the public mind from the crime, and severely degrades it's deterrent impact. this guy should have been hung publicly, and it should have been done years ago.
And I believe it was the victim's daughter who said she thought lethal injection was too lenient compared to what her dad went through.
Of course the victims family would want the punishment to be cruel and unusual, which is probably why it's a good idea that victims relatives don't have legal rights in these situations.
The death penalty is a tricky one, in this case, did this guy get what was coming to him? Yes absolutely, he deserved to die for what he did...
But that doesn't automatically remove the fact that innocent people do get executed, two wrongs do not make a right. And I find it awfully funny how so many people on the right side of the aisle have such a problem with government, that they shouldn't be involved at all in education, shouldn't look out for the welfare of the elderly, shouldn't be involved in Health care, regulation because government can't do anything right... but hey, we're perfectly ok with the government being able to put people to death, knowing they sometimes screw it up.
It's actually a well known fact.it's a "fact" that innocent people get executed?...can you back up this fact with evidence?
They are ridiculously low. Homicide in state prisons dropped 93% from 1980 to 2002. There were 87 homicides in state prisons in 2002. Moreover, the most heinous criminals are often separated from the population so it's difficult to say that they are responsible for the deaths.prison homicide rates are not really "ridiculously low"... they are lower than most big city rates, though....and plenty of cities have murder rates below the prison murder rate.
Because it's only purpose is revenge and morality, two things that have nothing to do with safety and are entirely too subjective and emotional to be the basis of punishment.if the issue of safety is equal... why not execute them?... why house them like cattle for decades and decades?
It's actually a well known fact.
How Many Innocent Inmates Are Executed? | Section of Individual Rights and Responsibilities
They are ridiculously low. Homicide in state prisons dropped 93% from 1980 to 2002. There were 87 homicides in state prisons in 2002. Moreover, the most heinous criminals are often separated from the population so it's difficult to say that they are responsible for the deaths.
Because it's only purpose is revenge and morality, two things that have nothing to do with safety and are entirely too subjective and emotional to be the basis of punishment.
I'm not against the death penalty because of the number of people executed. I'm against the death penalty because it means that the government takes lives for revenge and morality. Moreover, there is a difference between people in prison killing each other (usually gangs) and state-mandated killing. The state has no business killing people to exact revenge or impose morality.hmm... prison homicides rates are "ridiculously low" so it's a non issue.... but only about 1000 murderers since 1977 have been executed.
why doesn't this "ridiculously low " execution rate have you claiming the death penalty a non-issue?
Actually, revenge and morality are the two main aspects. Those are the ones most commonly referenced. Another one is deterrence which isn't a proven result of capital punishment in any respect.and no, there are more purposes for the death penalty than revenge and morality.. those are the 2 purposes YOU assign it to make you argument.
your article doesn't provide any evidence for the "well known fact" of innocents being executed.
the article does provide evidence that the appeals process works, though.
You quoted the victim's son. Was that just for the emotional appeal? I don't understand the argument that, because some victim's families oppose the death penalty, it should somehow carry more weight than victim's families who support it.
White supremacist executed for dragging death - CBS News
This is why I support the death penalty. Good for Texas.
Let's be sure he's dead - drive a wooden stake though his ****in' heart and bury him face down.
Attempting to compare the Old Testament with the Quran, there is an obstacle called, the New Testament.
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