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White Nationalist Group Tries to March Through Philadelphia, Promptly Gets Chased Out of Town

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Long as they stick with the little podunk towns like Dogpatch and Hooterville they're safe.
I'm waiting to see them come to Chicago, Detroit, New York, L.A., Baltimore, they just got their ass run out of Philly.
What do they think's waiting for them in the other cities?

They think this is all some kind of cosplay convention or street theater.
This isn't a game.
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In Dayton, armed black panthers wont put up with em.
 
Rexedgar said:
Last time I was in Philly, there was graffiti on everything from seven feet down to the sidewalk.

South Philly, IIRC.
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Yeah, but some of it is REALLY good. Art, in every since. I stayed in Philly for the summer of 2002, had a blast. Walked the entire city. Very friendly people, for the most part.
 
Felis Leo said:
Their symbol is a fasces. The symbol used since the early twentieth century by fascist and neo-fascist political groups. They are fascists.

This symbol is not the same as the Nazi German Party flag either:


…but the group that uses it are nevertheless made up of avowed Nazis.

But let me ask you joko, I understand on principle why one might defend them, i.e. Nazis, fascists and white supremacists have just as much right to march as anyone else. But why are you carrying water for them in such a manner?

Is it because anyone who is attacked by the political left must be defended because the political left is so evil, anyone they castigate must be either good or at the very least not as bad as is stated? Or is it for some other reason?
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I don't know them.0 Unlike you I don't join in calling people racists because other are.

I disagree with their attackers - and obviously you - that carrying an American flag makes them racist. I do not agree with their attackers or you that not supporting eliminating our national border makes the racist. Do not agree with their attackers and you that...

How many times have I posted my view that the Democratic Party is now the anti-liberal corporate-fascist International Party, for which "progressive" exactly means corporate-fascism. I never looked at Mein Kampf until the agenda of the NEW 'progressive" Democratic Party sounded just TOO familiar. THere is not 5% difference between the social/domestic agenda of Hitler's Mein Kampf. Replace the word "Jews" with "Conservative Christians" and a Hitler would win the Democratic Party nomination hands down - though it would be better if he has some minority status or was female, but that wouldn't matter. That candidate would be too popular regardless.

I'll make this simple. Prove to me that they pursuing racial segregation and I will have the same negative opinion of them that I have of the Democratic Party - and for the same reason on that point - other than the hated race is different.

There is NO difference between the history of the Democratic Party doing everything to get white people to hate, fear and avoid black people, than the Democratic Party now doing everything possible to get black people to hate and avoid white people. BOTH exactly are for the same goal - always the same goal - racial segregation and racial social division.

Prove in their words they are a racist organization, not one of them said or did some nor what other people say about them and you can convince me to change my stance. I am one of the few posters on this forum that will not hesitate to change my position or acknowledge I was factually inaccurate if show it.

White men wearing white masks protesting open borders and the socialist/communist direct of the government and country now no more make them racists than Latinos wearing black masks protesting against deportations and border security. Prove I'm wrong by direct evidence and you win this debate.

But you are right, Anyone can protest march and any police department that will not protect them should all be fired. In fact, under the theory of the prosecution of the other 3 officers concerning Floyd, they all should be charged as co-conspirators for any crimes committed against them. I don't care if they are KKK or Black Panthers. Me? I despise all large gathers and certainly any protest march - because I fully oppose mob mentality.

But a person/group can march. And anyone can hate - and say they do - anyone or anything they want. If they wanted to march around saying "Deport all black people" or "Deport all white" - even using every racial slur they can come with? Entirely protected.
 
joko104 said:
Sure you didn't mean being an unarmed female veteran shot in the face and murdered, with the police identity covered up, don't you?

Actually, being attacked by an angry mob and the police offering no protect does put them into the historic category of protesters against race discrimination. At least the Democratic police department didn't directly go at them, but then historically usually police just let mobs attack protesters or terrorize them away as happened.
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No she was screaming and trying to break in past a barricade toward vastly outnumbered REAL patriots to break-up one of the more crucial acts of our Republic- PEACEFUL transfer of power. Not murder... :rolleyes:

I'm talking about Christopher David beaten by Federal LE sent into Portland by tRump as an arrogant tuff guy act. Veteran David was hit 5 times by the thug with a badge.... :confused:

I realize such news items don't fit into your alternate reality... ✌️
 
Nor do I accept people who play psychologist declaring their actions and words "motivated" criminality, when there was no actually advocacy of criminal conduct - Trump the most notable example of course. He said to be peaceful - and the said "but REALLY he knew every would interpret that to mean kill Pence, kill all Democrats and burn down the Capitol.

If my wearing a Trump hat makes you go attack a black person, that's you crime - only - and 1001 and one "experts" saying it is fact I did so to motivate you to do so is absurdity itself.

Hate and love whoever you do. Telling anyone who want to. Probably stupid to do, just like going to mob protest gatherings is, but I am convinced most people are truly non-thinking non-independent people who just put one foot in front of the other, depending upon what masters and controllers they replaced their parents with. Generally that means talking head corporate-fascist propaganda employees on the MSM.
 
joko104 said:
I'll look at your link. I will not research your fact claims you assert otherwise.

I read your Wiki. I don't care what OTHERS say it is, but what they themselves say and did. I don't care of the opinions of people who scream racist at everyone.

THIS is what is declared racist that they've actual done from the link that isn't instead editorial attacks:

1. Opposing a completely open border proves they are racists
2. Condemning violent proves they are racists
3. Opposition to communism proves they are racists
4. Carrying the American flag proves they are racists

Everything else is just people claiming in their opinion they are racist. The REAL relevancy is to understand how the Democratic Party now claims exactly that. That unless you oppose the USA even having a border, do not openly call for violence against Republicans and white people, do not support the USA becoming fully communist and don't hate and want to burn the American flag, then you are a racist - and the enemy of the Democratic Party because that is their agenda.
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You bleat about links and then list a ton of garbage with no links.
Go try your rabbit hole garbage on someone else.
Have a great evening!
 
notquiteright said:
No she was screaming and trying to break in past a barricade toward vastly outnumbered REAL patriots to break-up one of the more crucial acts of our Republic- PEACEFUL transfer of power. Not murder... :rolleyes:

I'm talking about Christopher David beaten by Federal LE sent into Portland by tRump as an arrogant tuff guy act. Veteran David was hit 5 times by the thug with a badge.... :confused:

I realize such news items don't fit into your alternate reality... ✌️
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Screw him. He should be in prison. He was ordered to clear the area for an area of an active violent, destructive riot. He refused to get out of the street. When they told him to leave the area as a police order, he shot them the finger.

His opinion? His claim is he is entirely exempt from law and can break any law he wants to. He's a criminal. Screw him.

He also is a liar. He said the government turned Portland into a war zone, when IN FACT that is what he was doing personally himself. Just a sick, bizarre old man, a wannabe self made pity party victim. All he had to do is follow the law and police commands during a riot. If he is to old and frail to successfully pretend he is an angry black or young white rioter, looter, arsonist, rioter, and assailant, that's his idiocy. It was a riot with massive criminality going on - including by him and with his full support by his criminal activities.

I completely approve of what the police did. It was a riot. He was illegally standing in the street. He was ordered to leave and refused. Screw that old man. He should still be in prison. In a lawsuit, I would rule against him and that he owns all court costs and legal fees of all Defendants.

Did I answer your question.
 
Felis Leo said:
People who adopt fasces and swastikas as their group’s symbol are already telling me quite clearly what they stand for.
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AmNat said:
Go ahead and show us the swastikas they were using.
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Felis Leo said:
I appreciate the un-artful dodge. They used a fasces, not a swastika. They are fascists.
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IOW you lied and got called on it.
Felis Leo said:
It is not on me to provide people who, if given the power would seek to kill me and my family, with one ounce of generosity.
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Oh please. Which "fascist" movement tried to genocide ethnic Iranians? Let me guess . . . that was another lie?
 
bomberfox said:
In Dayton, armed black panthers wont put up with em.
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what is the black panther population of Dayton, I live 35 minutes away and don't recall them being much of a presence there
 
JMB802 said:
You bleat about links and then list a ton of garbage with no links.
Go try your rabbit hole garbage on someone else.
Have a great evening!
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I did, Your link, or at least source of your partial quote. I understand why you didn't provide the actual link itself.

Here is the link backing what I posted, something you have yet to do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Front
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ecofarm said:
Isn't there some kind of "Expose Neo-nazis" private organization that gets us the names of these people? There should be.

I think that would be a great organization, dedicated to identifying those who march with such groups.
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Certainly should for BLM and Antifa, don't you think?
 
Nothing new. I remember a NAZI group announcing a march some years ago. Everyone avoided the area, they went home heads hanging low.
 
AmNat said:
IOW you lied and got called on it.
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No. I said "fasces and swastikas". They used a fasces.

Or are you going to point out that since I did not say "and/or" that I was lying since they did not also use a swastika in their symbolism?

AmNat said:
Oh please. Which "fascist" movement tried to genocide ethnic Iranians? Let me guess . . . that was another lie?
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Perhaps you are right and I am worrying about nothing. I will defer to your knowledge on the nuances of genocidal white supremacist ideology, AmNat.
 
joko104 said:
I don't know them.0 Unlike you I don't join in calling people racists because other are.

I disagree with their attackers - and obviously you - that carrying an American flag makes them racist. I do not agree with their attackers or you that not supporting eliminating our national border makes the racist. Do not agree with their attackers and you that...

How many times have I posted my view that the Democratic Party is now the anti-liberal corporate-fascist International Party, for which "progressive" exactly means corporate-fascism. I never looked at Mein Kampf until the agenda of the NEW 'progressive" Democratic Party sounded just TOO familiar. THere is not 5% difference between the social/domestic agenda of Hitler's Mein Kampf. Replace the word "Jews" with "Conservative Christians" and a Hitler would win the Democratic Party nomination hands down - though it would be better if he has some minority status or was female, but that wouldn't matter. That candidate would be too popular regardless.

I'll make this simple. Prove to me that they pursuing racial segregation and I will have the same negative opinion of them that I have of the Democratic Party - and for the same reason on that point - other than the hated race is different.

There is NO difference between the history of the Democratic Party doing everything to get white people to hate, fear and avoid black people, than the Democratic Party now doing everything possible to get black people to hate and avoid white people. BOTH exactly are for the same goal - always the same goal - racial segregation and racial social division.

Prove in their words they are a racist organization, not one of them said or did some nor what other people say about them and you can convince me to change my stance. I am one of the few posters on this forum that will not hesitate to change my position or acknowledge I was factually inaccurate if show it.

White men wearing white masks protesting open borders and the socialist/communist direct of the government and country now no more make them racists than Latinos wearing black masks protesting against deportations and border security. Prove I'm wrong by direct evidence and you win this debate.

But you are right, Anyone can protest march and any police department that will not protect them should all be fired. In fact, under the theory of the prosecution of the other 3 officers concerning Floyd, they all should be charged as co-conspirators for any crimes committed against them. I don't care if they are KKK or Black Panthers. Me? I despise all large gathers and certainly any protest march - because I fully oppose mob mentality.

But a person/group can march. And anyone can hate - and say they do - anyone or anything they want. If they wanted to march around saying "Deport all black people" or "Deport all white" - even using every racial slur they can come with? Entirely protected.
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Just so you know how I think joko104, so you do not have to plumb my mind on the matter:

1. I do not consider Democratic Party politicians or party members, writ large, to be my enemy or the enemy of my country. I just consider many of their ideas incorrect, but I am happy sharing my country peacefully with them, and almost all I have met extend the same tolerance.
2. I consider fascism and its sub-faction National Socialism toxic ideologies which have led to violence both on our soil and elsewhere. And if you were about to ask "Well why don't you condemn AntiFa/BLM riots?!" I have done so.
3. If a group adopts open fascist symbols to identify themselves, I will not hesitate calling them a fascist group unless they go out of their way to make it clear that these symbols do not denote a fascist ideology.
4. If I am mistaken about a fascist group's ideology or motivations, I will admit that I was wrong and apologize. But I will not go out of my way to jump on top of hand grenades for fascist organizations, carry water for them, or pretend that they do not exist.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Are we talking about NFAC or the "New" Black Panther Party?
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New black panther party. There might have been some old but i remember overhearing someone ask that question at the counter protest.

By the by, after the insurrection i downloaded telegram chat logs, most chats knew their texts can be seen without even joining the room so they propaganda spam but some chats had interesting information. I couldnt find anyone who would publish the logs which was disappointing. Would like to know where to send such logs in the future.
 
bomberfox said:
New black panther party. There might have been some old but i remember overhearing someone ask that question at the counter protest.

By the by, after the insurrection i downloaded telegram chat logs, most chats knew their texts can be seen without even joining the room so they propaganda spam but some chats had interesting information. I couldnt find anyone who would publish the logs which was disappointing. Would like to know where to send such logs in the future.
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There's a reason why I asked for clarification on the NBPP.
There IS NO "original" Black Panther Party anymore, although the few remaining originals denounced the New Black Panther Party years ago in this open letter.
 
bomberfox said:
New black panther party. There might have been some old but i remember overhearing someone ask that question at the counter protest.

By the by, after the insurrection i downloaded telegram chat logs, most chats knew their texts can be seen without even joining the room so they propaganda spam but some chats had interesting information. I couldnt find anyone who would publish the logs which was disappointing. Would like to know where to send such logs in the future.
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And by chat logs i mean by alt reich and magat chats.
 
Mycroft said:
So...these guys are the one side of the coin that has Antifa on the other side...except, unlike Antifa, they are mostly non-violent.

I wonder...have the citizens of Philly treated Antifa the same? Or do they hypocritically support Antifa?
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LOL The FBI has announced that white nationalists are the most dangerous terrorist groups in the U.S.

The top threat we face from domestic violent extremists stems from those we identify as racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVE). RMVEs were the primary source of ideologically motivated lethal incidents and violence in 2018 and 2019 and have been considered the most lethal of all domestic extremists since 2001. Of note, the last three DVE attacks, however, were perpetrated by anti-government violent extremists.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/worldwide-threats-to-the-homeland-091720
 
bomberfox said:
I heard of that but i didnt know the BPP dissolved.
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Dissolved, more like half of the leadership died or were killed and most of the rest were convicted and incarcerated.
They weren't saints, even though they DID do a lot of very good community outreach.
But they were not saints. They WERE indeed a reactionary force and they were in favor of militant tactics, and they were a bunch of radical revolutionaries.
Ah well, I guess we can't be too picky? 🤷‍♂️
They were what they were.

But they were distinctly different from the NBPP, whose main platform seems to consist mostly of hating on whitey.
The original Panthers weren't interested in hating whitey as much as they were interested in empowering their community and acting as a glorified neighborhood defense force, while preaching a largely marxist message.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL The FBI has announced that white nationalists are the most dangerous terrorist groups in the U.S.

The top threat we face from domestic violent extremists stems from those we identify as racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVE). RMVEs were the primary source of ideologically motivated lethal incidents and violence in 2018 and 2019 and have been considered the most lethal of all domestic extremists since 2001. Of note, the last three DVE attacks, however, were perpetrated by anti-government violent extremists.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/worldwide-threats-to-the-homeland-091720
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Your quote doesn't refer to "white nationalists". "racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists" could just as well...and more likely...refer to Antifa/BLM.
 
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