Which is more dangerous : Covid or the Covid vaccines?

[pedex]

Seems like the vaccine is safer.

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It's 2025 not 2022

 

[pedex]

But completely unnecessary if people take proper precautions and have a good immune system. In such healthy people, the side effects possible of the vaccine are not worth the risk.

All cause mortality seems to indicate that as well.

 

[Hatuey]

Yes. The individual. You cannot use it as a blanket and treat everyone or not treat everyone.

Ah, so because covid wasn't killing everyone, you can't make an assessment on whether getting the vaccine was more dangerous than getting the disease?

Nobody asked you which was favorable. We know getting covid is not more favorable than getting vaccinated for covid. Who favors getting a disease? That's a stupid question.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I don't know.
I have read.
I've been told.
So and so said.
But really, I am just guessing.

Lord have mercy, how did such a sizable portion of a population get THIS dumb?

For crying out loud, go to your doctor. Ask him or her. Don't trust them? Try any of the hundreds of scientific journals. Not wackadoodle links to someone's opinion. Actual scientific journals.

Next, turn off Fox News, stop getting your "ideas" from far right sources. After this many years, still some people are listening to RFKJr - who is NOT a doctor - I mean look it up for crying out loud - and actually listen to those with a medical degree.

This meme has never grown old. It perfectly demonstrates the sheer ignorance of anti-vaxxers:

 

[Peacenik]

Magacult gets everything wrong.

The disease killed millions. Vaccines, not one single documented death.

Logically, COVID is the greater concern. Enter right wing bullshit. Oh, all of a sudden, the vaccines are the problem. (According to the magacult.)

Wow. That's some serious bullshit.

And they eat it up like it was chocolate.

Because they would rather trust some rumor from social media than science.

Stupid!

 

[roguenuke]

The answer to choose depends on the person. It is not an either or question for the masses. It depends on the individual.

For the vast majority of people, the answer is the same, Covid itself is far more dangerous than Covid vaccines. this is only not true for a small number of people.

 

[Lord of Planar]

For the vast majority of people, the answer is the same, Covid itself is far more dangerous than Covid vaccines. this is only not true for a small number of people.

Sorry. If you read research regarding the problems of both the virus and the vaccine, you would know the answer is not that simple.

It is highly age dependent as well.

 

[roguenuke]

Sorry. If you read research regarding the problems of both the virus and the vaccine, you would know the answer is not that simple.

I've read the research. the vaccines are safer overall than contracting the virus itself for almost everyone. there may be a very few exceptions, such as someone who is allergic to some ingredient in the vaccines, but that's it.

 

[Mr Person]

@dmpi and @Eriech said the vaccine is more dangerous.

Sorry. If you read research regarding the problems of both the virus and the vaccine, you would know the answer is not that simple.

Same damn routine for everything. . .

 

[Moderate Right]

In an effort to put this matter to rest, I though a simple poll on which was more dangerous would be a good way to spurr discussion.

What say ye, good folks DP? Are the covid vaccines more dangerous than covid? Is covid more dangerous than the covid vaccines?

Please bring your sources.

So, you want to put something to rest which isn't really even a problem anymore, you want to ask a bunch of random people on the internet?

 

[Jay Falcon]

It depends.

From what I've read (I don't have any sources handy) if you are an old person, covid is more dangerous than the vaccine. If you are a young person, the vaccine is more dangerous.

I wonder where you read that. Conservative Treehouse? The Federalist?

 

[lynnwinslow]

Vaccines mess with you immune system and there's risks associated with vaccines. I'd rather get covid and build up natural immunity that will carry me throughout my life.

Or you can get covid and die.
Or you can get covid and get long covid.
Either way you take a chance, eh?

 

[KevinKohler]

Fauci says once you get covid you have natural immunity to carry you throughout your life? Source!?!?!

Something has to come from Fauci to be true?

 

[pedex]

Death after the Administration of COVID-19 Vaccines Approved by EMA: Has a Causal Relationship Been Demonstrated? - PMC

More than eight billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered globally so far and 44.29% of people are fully vaccinated. Pre-authorization clinical trials were carried out and the safety of vaccines is still continuously monitored ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Old data from 2022. 55 suspected. 14 probable.

 

[Hatuey]

Something has to come from Fauci to be true?

Holy Straw Man Batman!

 

[noonereal]

In an effort to put this matter to rest, I though a simple poll on which was more dangerous would be a good way to spurr discussion.

What say ye, good folks DP? Are the covid vaccines more dangerous than covid? Is covid more dangerous than the covid vaccines?

Please bring your sources.

Shocking that we need to ask the ignorant masses this.

Only MAGA will get the ansewer wrong.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Vaccines mess with you immune system and there's risks associated with vaccines.

Well, they make your body prepare for things like a polio infection so you're not disfigured or dead.

Are you vaccinated against all the dangerous stuff? Did you make sure your children were vaccinated against all the dangerous stuff?

 

[Eriech]

@dmpi and @Eriech said the vaccine is more dangerous.










Same damn routine for everything. . .

Yes, it is too bad the vaccines didn't work and that so many died so that emergency use could be implemented. It was unconscionable what we did to children and small businesses.

 

[CaughtInThe]

One of the posters here, early on during COVID, went on and on about how it's the thinning of the herd.

I don't think he realized who was being thinned.

 

[KevinKohler]

By shear numbers, covid is more dangerous by far.


Next question....


What's more dangerous....allowing government to dictate what you must or mustn't take, do or don't do to your body....

Or not allowing it?

 

[Lord of Planar]

One of the posters here, early on during COVID, went on and on about how it's the thinning of the herd.

I don't think he realized who was being thinned.

There is that thought of how natural selection. In a way it is true. Those who survive end up with a stronger immune system and those with the lesser immune system are largely weeded out.

 

[BirdinHand]

What’s dangerous is government telling people what medical decisions they can/cannot make and making blanket medical decisions for people. Stop dictating medical decisions and options and focus on just making sure Americans have full information so they can make informed decisions.

I disagreed with talk about blanket government vaccine mandates/vaccine passports, etc in 2020
I disagree with abortion bans.
I disagree with limiting other care options - such as transgender care.
I disagree with now making it so people cannot get COVID vaccines.

Medical decisions belong between doctors and patients. And the ultimate decision maker should be the individual whenever possible.

My body, my choice. Your body, your choice.

Yes - those choices come with consequences. But everyone should have the choice (in conjunction with actual medical professionals that know their personal medical history).

Period.

 

[roguenuke]

Death after the Administration of COVID-19 Vaccines Approved by EMA: Has a Causal Relationship Been Demonstrated? - PMC

More than eight billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered globally so far and 44.29% of people are fully vaccinated. Pre-authorization clinical trials were carried out and the safety of vaccines is still continuously monitored ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Old data from 2022. 55 suspected. 14 probable.

And even 55 out of billions is extremely rare for any vaccine or drug. (and yes, I know they state billions in the comment below, but they also state above this sentence that 8 billion doses were given so far.

The ratio of deaths to the total number of administered vaccine doses (55 vs. millions of doses) clearly shows how rare fatal adverse events are, as has been found for other vaccines (for example, quadrivalent live attenuated and trivalent inactivated influenza vaccines)

 

[Sweden]

Vaccines mess with you immune system and there's risks associated with vaccines. I'd rather get covid and build up natural immunity that will carry me throughout my life.

Those unvaccinated, against many diseases, have a lower life expectancy. I hope you beat the odds.

 

[KevinKohler]

What’s dangerous is government telling people what medical decisions they can/cannot make and making blanket medical decisions for people. Stop dictating medical decisions and options and focus on just making sure Americans have full information so they can make informed decisions.

I disagreed with talk about blanket government vaccine mandates/vaccine passports, etc in 2020
I disagree with abortion bans.
I disagree with limiting other care options - such as transgender care.
I disagree with now making it so people cannot get COVID vaccines.

Medical decisions belong between doctors and patients. And the ultimate decision maker should be the individual whenever possible.

My body, my choice. Your body, your choice.

Yes - those choices come with consequences. But everyone should have the choice (in conjunction with actual medical professionals that know their personal medical history).

Period.

Preach.