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What will you do?

MarineTpartier said:
I think killing babies and gays marrying is vastly different. Killing a human being, regardless of developmental state, is a travesty every time it happens. Once gay marriage is nationally legal and people realize it really doesn't make a hoot in their lives, it will become a non-issue.
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I think it is vastly different as well. I don't expect the passion on the issue to be nearly as strong as that which drives the one on abortion, but I do think there will still be a subset of the population who will remain steadfastly opposed to gay marriage.
 
I personally don't give a hoot who anyone wants to bed. What I get ticked about is all the labeling that goes on......
So and so will be the first openly homosexual such and such to be elected/promoted/appointed/granted to such a position. Why is that important? How about the only question being is the person qualified for the position?

As for marriage? That should be a non question. Marriage has not always been just a religious thing. In history marriages have been use to solidify treaties and contracts between nations or states. If two people of the same sex wish to be "joined" so be it. Just stop making such a big deal about it. Move on to the things that really make a difference.
 
On a related subject, if anyone knows a good Russian mail-order bride website, hook me up.
 
lizzie said:
I think it is vastly different as well. I don't expect the passion on the issue to be nearly as strong as that which drives the one on abortion, but I do think there will still be a subset of the population who will remain steadfastly opposed to gay marriage.
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I agree with that.
 
sbrettt said:
I disagree. I think the benefits that come with marriage are there for good reasons.
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Considering about 50% of all marriages end in divorce, this must be another of those great jobs government does in destroying something good that society created and then government stuck their noses into.

Just what are those good reasons you're relying upon?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Considering about 50% of all marriages end in divorce, this must be another of those great jobs government does in destroying something good that society created and then government stuck their noses into.

Just what are those good reasons you're relying upon?
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I think it's good that married people have special privileges associated with visiting their spouses in the hospital, and not having as much as a heavy estate tax. You're seriously blaming government for the state of marriage?
 
sbrettt said:
I think it's good that married people have special privileges associated with visiting their spouses in the hospital, and not having as much as a heavy estate tax. You're seriously blaming government for the state of marriage?
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Indeed, I do blame government for the state of marriage. Who do you think invented the quickie divorce making commitment virtually an unheard of concept?
 
sbrettt said:
Who do you think is utilizing the quickie divorce?
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Those who appear to be schooled in the proposition that responsibility and commitment are quaint and historical and totally unnecessary in the age of fulfilling one's inner self. Why work on a better tomorrow when you can simply toss commitment aside and work on your hedonistic needs and desires?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Those who appear to be schooled in the proposition that responsibility and commitment are quaint and historical and totally unnecessary in the age of fulfilling one's inner self. Why work on a better tomorrow when you can simply toss commitment aside and work on your hedonistic needs and desires?
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Eh, to each his own. You seem to think government is responsible. I think our humanity is what's really to blame.
 
sbrettt said:
Eh, to each his own. You seem to think government is responsible. I think our humanity is what's really to blame.
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Government is responsible for making life too easy for some, eliminating the need to be responsible for one's survival and government is responsible for making it too easy to walk away from a lifetime commitment with little or no consequence.

Ever try to get a divorce in the Catholic Church? It's called an annulment and it's a years long process that isn't easy. Until the government got involved, very few Catholics walk away from their marriage commitments and often those who wanted to worked through their problems and came out better in the end.

Ever try to get a handout from the Catholic Church? You'll get it, but be prepared to show you intend to help yourself or you'll be asked to move along.

I use the Catholic Church simply as a convenient example, however, there was a time when marriage was a religious "rite" and people respected their commitments and didn't enter into them until and unless they were prepared to live them their entire lives, and there was a time when charities looked after the needs of those who came upon hard times or were physically or mentally challenged.

When government takes those over and an invisible bureaucracy becomes the provider of a litany of "rights" some people, the spineless and the shameless, march right up to the door and demand the "provider" see to their every need. That's the disease that the government has infected "humanity" with.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I think killing babies and gays marrying is vastly different. Killing a human being, regardless of developmental state, is a travesty every time it happens. Once gay marriage is nationally legal and people realize it really doesn't make a hoot in their lives, it will become a non-issue.
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So why do you sport an avatar that says "I kill"?
 
poweRob said:
So why do you sport an avatar that says "I kill"?
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Because I have had to on occasion. Because it's my job to and I'm good at it. I didn't say anything about "I Kill.....and love doing it". It was a travesty each and every time I've had to take a human life. Regardless of if you agree with the reason I was in a position to kill someone in the first place, I've never killed anyone unless they were trying to kill me first. This is in stark contrast to someone killing a living thing simply because it may inconvenience their busy life. You have seen me post enough to know I'm no war monger. However, when I do have to go to war (whether I agree or not) you're damn right, I Kill. I Kill so I can come home and the guy next to me can as well. Not for some haughty reason like "For Country" or "To Provide Freedom For You". We haven't fought for either one of those things since WWII. Now it's a matter of a guy like me, who is good at killing people, hanging around long enough that I can teach these young guys coming up how to do it as well as I can so they come home to their families. I have a hard time making myself reenlist to possibly fight another useless war. However, like I said, we ceased doing it for you or any other citizen a long time ago. I do it for my young Marines.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Because I have had to on occasion. Because it's my job to and I'm good at it. I didn't say anything about "I Kill.....and love doing it". It was a travesty each and every time I've had to take a human life. Regardless of if you agree with the reason I was in a position to kill someone in the first place, I've never killed anyone unless they were trying to kill me first. This is in stark contrast to someone killing a living thing simply because it may inconvenience their busy life. You have seen me post enough to know I'm no war monger. However, when I do have to go to war (whether I agree or not) you're damn right, I Kill. I Kill so I can come home and the guy next to me can as well. Not for some haughty reason like "For Country" or "To Provide Freedom For You". We haven't fought for either one of those things since WWII. Now it's a matter of a guy like me, who is good at killing people, hanging around long enough that I can teach these young guys coming up how to do it as well as I can so they come home to their families. I have a hard time making myself reenlist to possibly fight another useless war. However, like I said, we ceased doing it for you or any other citizen a long time ago. I do it for my young Marines.
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If you don't love it... why do you wish to advertise it to everyone so proudly then?
 
poweRob said:
You're advertising it... yet you don't love it?
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It's my job man. There's no other job like it. My job isn't to make a profit, to produce anything, or to serve anything or really anyone. My job is to kill people. Therefore, I Kill. I know that's a very simplistic way of looking at it. But that's just the way it is. I wouldn't expect you to understand it and it's hard to help you to.
 
MarineTpartier said:
It's my job man. There's no other job like it. My job isn't to make a profit, to produce anything, or to serve anything or really anyone. My job is to kill people. Therefore, I Kill. I know that's a very simplistic way of looking at it. But that's just the way it is. I wouldn't expect you to understand it and it's hard to help you to.
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I'm a Marine who served in Desert Storm so you can cease with the condescending remarks.

MarineTpartier said:
Killing a human being, regardless of developmental state, is a travesty every time it happens.
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MarineTpartier said:
I didn't say anything about "I Kill.....and love doing it". It was a travesty each and every time I've had to take a human life.
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Your avatar is what you choose to put forth to show people what you want them to think you are... and it's in direct conflict of what kind of person you are professing to be.
 
poweRob said:
I'm a Marine who served in Desert Storm so you can cease with the condescending remarks.


Your avatar is what you choose to put forth to show people what you want them to think you are... and it's in direct conflict of what kind of person you are professing to be.
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A) I was never trying to be condescending. If you took it that way, I'm sorry.
B) I could care less if you served. Lots of people have. All service is not performed equally. Did you actually kill anyone? Did you actually shoot/stab/strangle/etc anyone and watch them die due to an action you performed? Did you actually have an MOS that gave the opportunity to do so?
C) I could honestly care less what you think of my avatar, my reason for using it, or what you think it means. If it offends you or you think I'm a hypocrite for using it, stop looking at it. Simple as that. I've tried to be cordial with you and explain, as best I can, why I use it. I'm done doing that. You and I have mostly had positive exchanges on this forum and that is why I didn't have an issue with attempting to explain it to you. I've attempted twice, you've decided that's not good enough. I'm not doing it anymore. Pound sand.
 
MarineTpartier said:
A) I was never trying to be condescending. If you took it that way, I'm sorry.
B) I could care less if you served. Lots of people have. All service is not performed equally. Did you actually kill anyone? Did you actually shoot/stab/strangle/etc anyone and watch them die due to an action you performed? Did you actually have an MOS that gave the opportunity to do so?
C) I could honestly care less what you think of my avatar, my reason for using it, or what you think it means. If it offends you or you think I'm a hypocrite for using it, stop looking at it. Simple as that. I've tried to be cordial with you and explain, as best I can, why I use it. I'm done doing that. You and I have mostly had positive exchanges on this forum and that is why I didn't have an issue with attempting to explain it to you. I've attempted twice, you've decided that's not good enough. I'm not doing it anymore. Pound sand.
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kk... cheerio.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'll continue to believe that the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation and should not be in the marriage business - sanctioning gay marriage instead of getting marriage out of government business is doubling down on stupid.
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Taxes, inheritence, and child costudy are not "in the bedroom".

And the government isn't stopping gays from doing ss they please "in the bedroom" anyway.

Marriage is about more than sex, you know.
 
Jerry said:
This Conservative does not oppose gay marriage, is why.
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Right on Jerry. You know, I am a Progressive but I don't believe that all Cons are selfish, closed-minded misogynistic bigots. (all evidence to the contrary ;) )
 
the people that are against equal rights for gays will fall into the same category of people that were against minority rights, women's rights and interracial marriage.
Once equality wins for the most part that will be that and the voices against it will drift to the background and become meaningless just like they have in the past.

They will still exist of course and they will still have the right to feel how ever they want, they can teach their own how they see fight and thats their choice and the only thing they will have.
 
opendebate said:
Right on Jerry. You know, I am a Progressive but I don't believe that all Cons are selfish, closed-minded misogynistic bigots. (all evidence to the contrary ;) )
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Whereas you exemplify pretty much every stereotype about progressives. :lol:
 
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