Comrade Brian
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V.I. Lenin said:Socialism is the best idea for your conscience.
Capitalism is the best idea for your wallet.
128shot said:Well, define work. I'm sure they work somewhere, some how, in some way, to keep on reaping profits.
Management is a nessarcy skill weither you believe that or not...
Comrade Brian said:What's rather funny is that the poor man has no wallet, and the rich man has no conscience.
128shot said:and what says they can't amass so much wealth that it makes you so jealous you feel you need to steal it?
Nothing, absolutely nothing.
Comrade Brian said:To Jimmyjack:
Socialism and Communism are quite separate, despite whatever likenesses they have, Communism just is closer to Socialism than to capitalism.
why are they good?
Capitalism is freedom. Socialism is Fascism in disguise.
nkgupta80 said:not necessarily, capitalism is not freedom, our freedom is constrained by the market forces. (assuming that every citizen's goal is to make the most success, money and power as possible). However there is still more freedom than pure socialism.
By stepping all over everyone else.whereas capitalism provides the environment for man to soar to ever higher achievement.
V.I. Lenin said:In response to hawk2:
A wise man once said
Call it what you will, incentives are what get people to work harder
He was named Nikita Krushchev.
By stepping all over everyone else.
And Socialism says that I must stifle my desire to invent the next big step in technology so that I can altruistically provide food for some lazy scum who wants to lay at home all day make more babies for me to feed.
Nikita wasn't a dictator and was only around until he was replaced.If your boy Nikita was so wise, why did communism crumble to dust? Seems that Nikita wasn't very good at creating those incentives that he knew so much about.
Tell me EXACTLY what human nature is?What you socialists deny is that Human Nature will never change. That is the most glaring flaw......Marx mistakenly theorized that human nature could be manipulated..........wrong.
V.I. Lenin said:Because everyone would do that if they had the chance. :doh
Nikita wasn't a dictator and was only around until he was replaced.
Tell me EXACTLY what human nature is?
The point is I KNOW pure socialism will fail. But capitalism as it stands today is a beast that cannot be fed. I simply wish to change capitalism, not bring about an Ant-like society
hawk2 said:Then why on earth would you pretend to support and defend an ideology that is bankrup and is doomed to fail?
Why do you perceive capitalism as a beast that must be fed? It is what people the world over want but cannot have because half the world is not free to choose.
If you want to know what human nature is: Read "The Blank Slate" by Steven Pinker.
When I first heard of Marx and his Utopian myth......I was about 12 years old and I knew what human nature was....... and I knew that Socialism would ultimately fail. The concept of " From each according to his abilities....to each according to his needs" is doomed to failure by human nature.
nkgupta80 said:pure capitalism would fail just as pure socialism would fail...pure capitalism causes great social/economic gaps within a given population (which in turn can lead to immense instability), while pure socialism doesn't provide freedom and innovative incentives for the people.
I just wanted to point out something interesting. Marx actually predicted that with technology bridging the world (much like today's globalism)... capitalism would go beyond national borders. The world would eventually end up being a stark clash between the working masses and the elite. His next prediction was even more suggestive.. he believed that in a world without boundaries where there is only the elite and the working class... a communist revolution could occur. Imagine, as our world approaches this state of things, what governments would do to thwart another one of these revolutions. The resulting changes would be a huge step in the evolution of capitalism.
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