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What is socialism?

Rich people automatiacally get paid off, and so they always get better jobs, plus connections.

Poor people have to work to pay off, but they many times don't get jobs. And people who grew up rich, usually are offered better jobs.

Anyway we think differently, so we get different conclusions.
 
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I'm sorry this is getting a little off topic but I just have to give you one last stat you might find interesting, over 99% of America's millionairs did not inherit their money they worked for it.
 
Or it could be 100% untrue...

I don't deny some people are lucky, but 1,000,000 isn't even considered really rich anymore. Most think its around 2.5 mil.
 
well, you whine and complain about corporates who make damn near 350 million dollars a year.


Well, there aren't that many of them around. What, only like 14 familys are that way?


After that its all slide offs, most millionaires in this country don't break the 100 million mark.
 
I know I wasn't supposed to give the capitalist view of socialism but I just can't help myself, I'm not going to rant on about the evils of communism I'm just going to state one fact and let you all run with it. Did you know that in the very begining of this country we experimented with socialism? It's true! Long before Karl Marx was even born, the original contract that the pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, each member was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well. Well what happened? Bradford who had become governor of the colony realized that collectivism was a failed experiment, because the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personel motivation. So Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus invoking the power of the market place.
 
gdalton said:
I'm sorry this is getting a little off topic but I just have to give you one last stat you might find interesting, over 99% of America's millionairs did not inherit their money they worked for it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Inheritance is the number 1 way that millionairs are made.


What are you smoking???
 
proof?


I've read about 1 too many self made millionaires.
 
128shot said:
proof?


I've read about 1 too many self made millionaires.
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And I've read about 1 too many millionaires who inherited their money. Where's your proof?
 
check the amount of small businesses vs the amount of giant corporations.


We're still made up of largely small businesses.

edit: you act as if inheritence is bad, since, in order to actually survive, the business still has to run...
 
TJS0110 said:
sorry that I'm just jumping in, but i think we should have a sort of British style of inheritance(this might seem of subject but stick with me). OK the British have a system that only allows a certain amount of money to be left to your children. Now if we had this system then we wouldn't have all these rich people who never had to work a day in there life(i.e. people like the Baldwins). Now this would actually solve some problems, if you are willing to sacrifice your inheritance over a certain point, it would by no means leave your poor if your parents died. It would one make people actually work for there living and give them a stake in society. It would make everyman a member of the working class, now admittedly there would be some rich people who would simply invest there money but at least they are actually doing something not just riding daddy's coat tails. Now this would actually give a good amount of money to the state without raising taxes, and it would not in any way hurt the poor because it would not involve taxation. This way we make the rich work without making them poor and don't hurt the poor to tax the wealthy. Now we would of course have to modifications but i think it could help, Make some additions if you want.
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No one responded to me, Im so sad. Im just kidding becuase it was realy off subject. I quoted myself that was sad.
 
128shot said:
check the amount of small businesses vs the amount of giant corporations.


We're still made up of largely small businesses.

edit: you act as if inheritence is bad, since, in order to actually survive, the business still has to run...
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Not quite sure how the number of small businesses links up with the number of people who inherit more than a million dollars...
 
TJS0110 said:
No one responded to me, Im so sad. Im just kidding becuase it was realy off subject. I quoted myself that was sad.
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I like it. Happy now? :mrgreen:
 
I think that you will always have rich people in a society, and you will always have poor people. There is NO changing this. Many kinds of systems could be designed to even this out (i.e. communism), and they may work. Until you add humans.

If I understand correctly, communism is basically equality for all, and people work according to their skills? How exactly does the class system set up in communism, who does what, how is order maintained, who makes the laws, how are positions of power regulated, how does the economy work, etc.
In other words, I want to hear how communism is supposed to work. Obviously it isn't working anywhere now, so I would love to hear how the whole thing should work. Theoretically.

Plus in capitalism you cannot become whatever you want, many require colleges, those cost money, the rich have exceedingly amounts of money, they end up with better jobs, they stay richer. The opposite is true for the poor, they stay poor.
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Pffffffffft.
That is leftshit!
If people work, they can make money. If they make money, they can go to college. If they are working, and get an education, they can then go and do what they want to do. The problem lies in those people who are unwilling to work for their money. Rich people aren't as numerous as you may think. A lot of people take out student loans, which they then work off later in life. If rich parents have good sense, they will have their kid work to get to college. Poor people can do this too. If they can get a job, they can get an education. Of course, why should they work and get an education when they can get welfare and food stamps? Why should we hand money to people who don't work hard? Of course, there are those who do need welfare, don't get me wrong. From what I hear, this seems to come from having lots of kids. Perhaps people should wait till they have a solid financial base, then have kids. With people working and thinking, why have welfare?
Of course, I forget. People. There will be plenty of people who don't work, think, or both. So I suppose welfare is here to stay!
I'm trying not to generalize. Again, people. Mistakes happen. :doh

Now I know how hard it is to argue politics when I should sleep. :lol:

P.S. No offense w/ the leftshit thing. In case anyone was offended by my statements... ;)
 
128shot said:
check the amount of small businesses vs the amount of giant corporations.


We're still made up of largely small businesses.

edit: you act as if inheritence is bad, since, in order to actually survive, the business still has to run...
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It could depend on how you count a business. If McDonalds has 4,000 stores, is that 4,000 small businesses? Or one corporation? In that case, is one corporation equal to 4,000 businesses?
 
its 1 corporation.


A corporation is really a slip of paper that says look, I own all these businesses under one name...

so no, I would not consider it a small business, and anyone I know of wouldn't either....
 
Kelzie said:
Not quite sure how the number of small businesses links up with the number of people who inherit more than a million dollars...
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note the edit much?


why is inheritence bad? because it gives advantage over someone else?

I stand to inherit a rather large sum of money when I turn 21, is that an advantage?


yes, it is, but isn't being technically skilled in one job over someone else an advantage? Being more knowledgible an advantage?


I guess we should just get rid of all thinking too since it can be an advantage:roll:
 
Nez Dragon said:
I think that you will always have rich people in a society, and you will always have poor people. There is NO changing this. Many kinds of systems could be designed to even this out (i.e. communism), and they may work. Until you add humans.
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Realy the thing is that you have to find a middle ground, You can't take money away from rich just becuase your jelious and want them to have to work. You cant allow jeliousy to cloud your vision, we have to allow people to thrive, now there is something to be said about trying to to keep people from liveing off daddy's money your whole life. Id just for the last time quote my own words, because I know you love to hear my words.

sorry that I'm just jumping in, but i think we should have a sort of British style of inheritance(this might seem of subject but stick with me). OK the British have a system that only allows a certain amount of money to be left to your children. Now if we had this system then we wouldn't have all these rich people who never had to work a day in there life(i.e. people like the Baldwins). Now this would actually solve some problems, if you are willing to sacrifice your inheritance over a certain point, it would by no means leave your poor if your parents died. It would one make people actually work for there living and give them a stake in society. It would make everyman a member of the working class, now admittedly there would be some rich people who would simply invest there money but at least they are actually doing something not just riding daddy's coat tails. Now this would actually give a good amount of money to the state without raising taxes, and it would not in any way hurt the poor because it would not involve taxation. This way we make the rich work without making them poor and don't hurt the poor to tax the wealthy. Now we would of course have to modifications but i think it could help, Make some additions if you want.

Its a nice idea to try to level the playing feild but we cant do it by takeing away the money from the succecful. I dont realy know but if socialism just gives everyone an equal chance to have succes that good. If it says" ok heres some money heres a job, now work some of you will rise some wont but none will fall" thats fine with me.
 
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128shot said:
note the edit much?


why is inheritence bad? because it gives advantage over someone else?

I stand to inherit a rather large sum of money when I turn 21, is that an advantage?


yes, it is, but isn't being technically skilled in one job over someone else an advantage? Being more knowledgible an advantage?


I guess we should just get rid of all thinking too since it can be an advantage:roll:
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Yes but a man/women who works to gain knowledge is working for an advantage where as someone who just gets money isn't working for his advantage. If your playing poker and one guy has practiced for years and one guy just has a lot of his daddy's money, who has the advantage he worked for?
 
well, didn't daddy leave it on his own will?


Personally, if I was a bilionaire, I'd leave most of my personal fortune to charity, but note the "personally" at the beginning of the sentence.

Its called a free world, and if you don't like to fight for insane amounts of freedom...


Then I don't know what to say....
 
Hey I realy don't care what rich people do with there money. Its not my place to tell them what to do. I was just answering a question, we cant tell people what to do with what they earned.
 
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