What Is Alt-Right?

[iguanaman]

How did I prove your point?

By adopting the same white victimhood of the white supremacists you have joined their side. Simple as that. Heil Trump.

 

[cabse5]

I meant "lies" as in lies from the Anti-Trump camp.

My mistake. I should've read your lean. Although, some Conservatives have become quite the social justice warriors. Believers in big government and non-believers in the first amendment, for example.

 

[cabse5]

By adopting the same white victimhood of the white supremacists you have joined their side. Simple as that. Heil Trump.

Heh? In english?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

"Apparently" is where you start to go wrong. I am not interested in guesses, nor what some article says, but on what they say. Shouldn't they be allowed to define who they are?

I'm not one of them, so ignore my post if you like.

If you read this, you will find that a paleocon guy named Gottfried coined the term about a decade ago. It's been rather tortured since gamergate and the Trump era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

In November 2008, self-described paleoconservative philosopher Paul Gottfried addressed the H. L. Mencken Club about what he called "the alternative right".[42] This was republished in December under the title "The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right"[43] in the conservative Taki's Magazine, making this the earliest published usage of the phrase in its current context according to Slate. In 2009, two more posts at Taki's Magazine, by Patrick J. Ford and Jack Hunter, further discussed the alternative right.[44] The term, however, is most commonly attributed to Richard B. Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and founder of Alternative Right.[24][45][46]

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I tend to avoid using the term since I really have no clue what exactly it is. Can't use a phrase properly if you do not know what it means. SO I ask the simple question, what is alt-right? I really only want the opinions of people who identify as alt-right, or at least are Trump supporters or conservative or republican. And please, please, please do not Godwin this thread any one. One thread where no one is called that group would be really nice.

Note: I am not looking to argue or debate with this thread, so much as learn, and give people a chance to explain, hopefully without things going to badly to hell.

I feel like Sargon nailed it with his Weimar America video:


A reactionary (reaction to BLM, identity politics) racial (white) collectivist movement that is opposed to immigration (legal too, since it also reduces white % of pop), individual rights and free trade. They also don't give a rats ass about the constitution.

 

[X Factor]

And there's not going to be any apartheid in the USA no matter how much some members of the Alt-Right would like to make it a nationwide practice.

Wait and see.

Wait and see? Why do you say that to me like it's something I'm hoping for? Sometimes you're a prefectly reasonable poster and sometimes I don't even understand where you're coming from.

 

[countryboy]

He hasn't really denounced them....he equivocates, instead. His speech yesterday was a green light for white supremacists and nazi's.

Um, no, he unequivocally denounced them, multiple times. What in the world are you talking about? Please explain with specificity.

 

[Moot]

The lie continues.

You know your 4 d's ...I'll give you that.

 

[Moot]

Um, no, he unequivocally denounced them, multiple times. What in the world are you talking about? Please explain with specificity.

No, he didn't unequivocally denounce them....instead he went on a false moral equivalency tirade against the "alt-left". He couldn't even bring himself to mention the victim's name until today.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No, he didn't unequivocally denounce them....instead he went on a false moral equivalency tirade against the "alt-left". He couldn't even bring himself to mention the victim's name until today.

In other words, if Trump does say what you want to hear you will nitpick over what amounts to grammar errors

 

[countryboy]

No, he didn't unequivocally denounce them....instead he went on a false moral equivalency tirade against the "alt-left". He couldn't even bring himself to mention the victim's name until today.

You either didn't hear the president's comments, or, you are purposefully attempting to misinform. Either way, lame as hell.

 

[shrubnose]

It's not going to be 50 years. Minorities in our elementary schools today out number whites.
U.S. School Enrollment Hits Majority-Minority Milestone - Education Week

That's why the Republican party should stop threatening & insulting them--because

they will be the majority voters in less than 15 years

. But I doubt they'll catch onto that one--:lol:

The GOP may survive in a reduced form but the Alt-Right will disappear.

 

[shrubnose]

Wait and see? Why do you say that to me like it's something I'm hoping for? Sometimes you're a prefectly reasonable poster and sometimes

I don't even understand where you're coming from.

What I'm saying is that the GOP may survive massive demographic change in a reduced form but the Alt-Right will disappear.


Now do you get it?

These are my last words on this topic.

 

[NGNM85]

The issue here isn't about grammar, or saying what any individual one of us wants to hear. It's about moral leadership, and American values. One of the roles of the president is to provide moral leadership, most especially in a crisis such as this, a task for which Trump is uniquely unsuited, and in which he failed, catastrophically. The country needed a president at that moment, a president that would repudiate the Klan, neo-Nazis, and all they represent as utterly incompatible with his values, and America's values, and to help us begin to heal. Sadly, that president does not exist. We do not have a president right now. To all of the people rushing to Trump's defense, I would urge you to reflect. This is a critical moment. You will have to answer to your children, and your grandchildren, and to history.

 

[Moot]

In other words, if Trump does say what you want to hear you will nitpick over what amounts to grammar errors

Huh? I didn't say anything about "grammar."

 

[Moot]

You either didn't hear the president's comments, or, you are purposefully attempting to misinform. Either way, lame as hell.

You're right...I couldn't believe what I was hearing coming from Trump's mouth. It was as unbelievable as it was appalling.

 

[Conaeolos]

I tend to avoid using the term since I really have no clue what exactly it is. Can't use a phrase properly if you do not know what it means. SO I ask the simple question, what is alt-right? I really only want the opinions of people who identify as alt-right, or at least are Trump supporters or conservative or republican. And please, please, please do not Godwin this thread any one. One thread where no one is called that group would be really nice.

Note: I am not looking to argue or debate with this thread, so much as learn, and give people a chance to explain, hopefully without things going to badly to hell.

My introduction to the term and final opinion is the same as was reflected in post #18. Originally seem to mean millennial republican with slightly different opinions from mainstream conservatives: less open to trade, more worried about immigration, indifferent on many conservative social subjects like LGBT. Enter the relabelling by the southern poverty etc and MSM and now it's pretty much those who embrace the nazi/racist label because they're so angery and the soft supporters(the majority) are being very clear they disavow disvow disavow as they want nothing to do with racistist and the nazi label / imagery etc interesting they picked Richard spencer who was fringe fringe at the time....

Certainly started as a smear but by now the label took and anyone who isn't actually supporting it rejects the label as strongly as any other racist label. Alt-light I still here apply to some of those guys, but they are getting even more serious they think racial politics needs to stop and certainly not embracing that label either. They were always against it btw!

Actually I am starting to hear a lot moving to (classic) liberal label in one way or another...it's gotten very convoluted as it keeps getting applied to people who feel it's a straw man so they try to clarify but the labellers will not listen well another small group desperate for attention for their rediclous ideas try to capitalize on the new attention, and a few more people who think it's the old group tlook around and go what is this? Eek

 

[countryboy]

You're right...I couldn't believe what I was hearing coming from Trump's mouth. It was as unbelievable as it was appalling.

Which parts, exactly? Give us some quotes.

 

[Perotista]

I tend to avoid using the term since I really have no clue what exactly it is. Can't use a phrase properly if you do not know what it means. SO I ask the simple question, what is alt-right? I really only want the opinions of people who identify as alt-right, or at least are Trump supporters or conservative or republican. And please, please, please do not Godwin this thread any one. One thread where no one is called that group would be really nice.

Note: I am not looking to argue or debate with this thread, so much as learn, and give people a chance to explain, hopefully without things going to badly to hell.

I always classified myself as a Goldwater conservative, not to be confused with today's neo-conservatives or religious conservatives or social conservatives. More of a traditional conservative which Goldwater was along with some Perot thrown into the mix. Near as I can figure out the Alt-Right means Trump supporters usually called that by Clinton supporters or the left.

I have also noticed the alt-left now coming into use, used by Trump supporters to call those who are anti-Trump. It seems to me a term used like RINO and DINO were used pre-Trump. Now being a Goldwater conservative, I don't consider Trump a conservative at all. Most of his supporters don't either, they tend to call him a populist, a nationalist or even a navtivist. Many lifelong Republicans don't consider Trump a Republican, but an opportunist. In a way I agree with them when it comes to this nine time party switcher. I don't think Trump himself knows what he is.

I doubt if there is a definition for alt-right or alt-left, RINO or DINO for that matter. I think it means whatever the user wants it to mean. That it can mean different things to different users. Did I just muddle the waters even more?

 

[TobyOne]

Its all ****ed up now. It started as the anti-establishment right. I think when they succeeded and Trump got elected most kind of went about their business and left it to the white nationalists - who are not conservative but Statists.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Are there any DP members who have personally adopted the alt-right label for themselves?

 

[Perotista]

My introduction to the term and final opinion is the same as was reflected in post #18. Originally seem to mean millennial republican with slightly different opinions from mainstream conservatives: less open to trade, more worried about immigration, indifferent on many conservative social subjects like LGBT. Enter the relabelling by the southern poverty etc and MSM and now it's pretty much those who embrace the nazi/racist label because they're so angery and the soft supporters(the majority) are being very clear they disavow disvow disavow as they want nothing to do with racistist and the nazi label / imagery etc interesting they picked Richard spencer who was fringe fringe at the time....

Certainly started as a smear but by now the label took and anyone who isn't actually supporting it rejects the label as strongly as any other racist label. Alt-light I still here apply to some of those guys, but they are getting even more serious they think racial politics needs to stop and certainly not embracing that label either. They were always against it btw!

Actually I am starting to hear a lot moving to (classic) liberal label in one way or another...it's gotten very convoluted as it keeps getting applied to people who feel it's a straw man so they try to clarify but the labellers will not listen well another small group desperate for attention for their rediclous ideas try to capitalize on the new attention, and a few more people who think it's the old group tlook around and go what is this? Eek

started as a smear. Much like the term redneck, originally a poor white dirt farmer was turned into a southern country boy racist by the left. Then Jeff Foxworthy came along and most us good old southern boys wear the term redneck with pride. Come to think of it, I haven't heard that term for a couple of years now. I guess its passe.

 

[beerftw]

I tend to avoid using the term since I really have no clue what exactly it is. Can't use a phrase properly if you do not know what it means. SO I ask the simple question, what is alt-right? I really only want the opinions of people who identify as alt-right, or at least are Trump supporters or conservative or republican. And please, please, please do not Godwin this thread any one. One thread where no one is called that group would be really nice.

Note: I am not looking to argue or debate with this thread, so much as learn, and give people a chance to explain, hopefully without things going to badly to hell.

Alt right, someone said everything is all right and an A accidentally got replaced with a T.

Or alt right, generally more far right, but in reality From what I have seen it was short lived as a term for white nationalist lite, and I mean short lived, today the term is thrown around for everything it seems more to mean trump supporter, or better yet non establishment conservative type.

 

[X Factor]

What I'm saying is that the GOP may survive massive demographic change in a reduced form but the Alt-Right will disappear.


Now do you get it?

These are my last words on this topic.

Somehow I doubt that. I've probably seen, maybe, 50 posts from you saying the exact same thing.

 

[Oreo]

The GOP may survive in a reduced form but the Alt-Right will disappear.

Not with Trump in office they won't. He has emboldened them--and their numbers will grow. That's why everyone is having a fit right now.

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke praised President Trump’s “courage” for saying both sides bear blame for violence that erupted at a white supremacist march in Charlottesville

David Duke Praises Trump ?Courage? On Charlottesville ? The Forward

White supremacists on Tuesday praised President Donald Trump for his return to equivocal rhetoric blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted over the weekend at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. White supremacist leader Richard Spencer, ALT right leader. praised Trump’s statement, made during an off-the-rails press conference at Trump Tower in Manhattan, as “fair and down to earth.”

White Supremacists Praise Trump’s Return To Rhetoric Blaming ‘Both Sides’ – Talking Points Memo

So you can bet their recruitment just went up a 1000 percent. People who were reluctant to join these groups will be joining because of the luke warm response by the POTUS.

You'll note also that there was no empathy coming out of Trump for this 32 year old woman that was killed by the car. None what-so-ever.


Donald Trump's emotional instability and personality have been discussed quite frequently, and the word Narcissist has been brought up often. It's clear by the below description he fits this definition of a Narcissist mental disorder perfectly.

"According to a number of top U.S. psychologists, like Harvard professor and researcher Howard Gardner, Donald Trump is a “textbook” narcissist. In fact, he fits the profile so well that clinical psychologist George Simon told Vanity Fair, “He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops.” This puts Trump in the same category as a number of infamous dictators like Muammar Gaddafi, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Saddam Hussein. And although there are narcissists out there who entertain us, innovate, or create great art, when a narcissist is given immense power over people’s lives, they can behave much differently. As the 2016 presidential election grows nearer we must ask ourselves, if elected president would Donald Trump act on the behalf of the will of the people, or would he behave more like a dictator—silencing any dissenting voices, perpetually refusing to compromise, and being oppressive to certain groups?

According to the Mayo Clinic, narcissistic personality disorder is “a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others.” But a lack of empathy is just one part of narcissistic personality disorder. Just beneath the surface layer of overwhelming arrogance lies a delicate self-esteem that is easily injured by any form of criticism.

A neuroscientist explains: Trump has a mental disorder that makes him a dangerous world leader

Donald Trump is mentally UNFIT to be POTUS, & he always has been.