What happens after the SC overturns Roe v Wade

[lurchadams]

Thankfully, The 1931 abortion law that was set to take effect in Michigan if Roe v Wade were overturned has been suspended by a Michigan Judge.

Cool. One down, 24 to go.

 

[lurchadams]

There are some, let's call them naive, conservative posters on the forum who think the States with trigger laws and old laws on the books will rethink them if Roe is overturned. Meanwhile, several States are confirming them or making them even tougher. They will never "rethink" them and they will never expand help to the women they force to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. It is unbelievable that this happening in 2022 in the US ofA

It's a gas light. Republican posters no we know what's happening. They are just gleefully taunting us right now. It's part of the new Republican process, which is not only win a political battle but totally eviscerate the other side.

Did you know that in Louisiana doctors and Women will be executed for abortions?

 

[Lursa]

Lots of guys will be helping their pregnant girlfriends across state lines to get abortions. They'll be happy to contribute to those expenses instead of 18 yrs of child support.

 

[Lursa]

Most of the States who are banning or seriously restricting abortions are also making illegal to assist someone in any way who is seeking an abortion.

Women dont need to see a dr. to determine a pregnancy. If they dont want a kid, they wont make the condition known.

How will 'the state' know she's pregnant? Even if she's told people in her life...if there's no record of the pregnancy and none coming from whatever state she went to...

 

[reflechissez]

Women dont need to see a dr. to determine a pregnancy. If they dont want a kid, they wont make the condition known.

How will 'the state' know she's pregnant? Even if she's told people in her life...if there's no record of the pregnancy and none coming from whatever state she went to...

I can't wait for the first lawsuit to hit the courts.

 

[noonereal]

Assume that the SC returns the abortion decision to the states. It seems safe to assume that conservative states will pass laws defining the fertilized egg to be a human being, make abortion manslaughter, ban abortion and install assorted punishments for getting or giving an illegal abortion. All actions have unintended consequences. List and discuss some of those unintended consequences that will happen in those states that ban abortion.

Nothing happens in the evolved states.

The cave era women are ****ed though.lol

 

[noonereal]

Women dont need to see a dr. to determine a pregnancy. If they dont want a kid, they wont make the condition known.

How will 'the state' know she's pregnant? Even if she's told people in her life...if there's no record of the pregnancy and none coming from whatever state she went to...

My my. That will be a pleasant little game they will be forced to play.
Question. As these new laws punish all helpers,. Can the women who has the abortion be brought up on charges when she gets home?

 

[Amelia]

Child poverty will increase.

Crime will increase.

Health options of all kinds will decrease, not just obstetrical health, because doctors will start to move away from the punitive states.

High earners in most professions will not tend to want to go to states with draconian laws and with more investment in punishing people than in helping them. So the proportion of poor people to high earners in those states will keep growing, making it less and less likely that anyone with a choice will want to live in that state.

Then we'll get to see what GOP legislators suggest as solutions for the shitholes they turned their states into, assuming the GOP legislators aren't kicked out of office quickly. Sadly, there's a good chance the GOP legislators will hang onto power in those states for longer than the majority of the state want them to, because the states are so gerrymandered.

 

[Lursa]

My my. That will be a pleasant little game they will be forced to play.
Question. As these new laws punish all helpers,. Can the women who has the abortion be brought up on charges when she gets home?

Where's the proof she was pregnant? Where's the proof she had an abortion?

 

[noonereal]

Where's the proof she had an abortion?

Does not ansewer my question.

Do these new laws as written subject the women who aborts to charges? And if so, what charges.

If anyone knows I'd appreciate you reply.

Thanks

 

[Lursa]

Does not ansewer my question.

Do these new laws as written subject the women who aborts to charges? And if so, what charges.

If anyone knows I'd appreciate you reply.

Thanks

Why not find out for yourself? All these red states are doing 'their own thing.'

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Where does the narrative come from that “A majority of women get abortions as birth control”?

 

[noonereal]

Why not find out for yourself? All these red states are doing 'their own thing.'

If you don't know just say so. You are hardly a poster we rely on for facts.

But you are one that does not shut up.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Women dont need to see a dr. to determine a pregnancy. If they dont want a kid, they wont make the condition known.

How will 'the state' know she's pregnant? Even if she's told people in her life...if there's no record of the pregnancy and none coming from whatever state she went to...

Wouldn't put it past these repressed GQP loons in ruby red states to make it mandatory to show proof of marriage before you can buy contraception or a pregnancy test.

They will contact your spouse before the sale if he/she is not with you at the time.

 

[Lursa]

Wouldn't put it past these repressed GQP loons in ruby red states to make it mandatory to show proof of marriage before you can buy contraception or a pregnancy test.

They will contact your spouse before the sale if he/she is not with you at the time.

Two of the precedents that RvW is based on addressed that directly. And in those decisions, it was struck down as unconstitutional.

So if the states try it, and SCOTUS denies a challenge or doesnt uphold the precedent, they'll continue to unravel settled law.

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)​

Connecticut's laws against distribution of contraceptives and contraceptive information to married couples are struck down, with the Court relying on earlier precedent involving the rights of people to make decisions about their families and procreation as a legitimate sphere of privacy.​

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Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972)​

The right of people to have and know about contraceptives is expanded to unmarried couples, because the right of people to make such decisions exists due not simply to the nature of the marriage relationship. Instead, it is also due to the fact that it is individuals making these decisions, and as such the government has no business making it for them, regardless of their marital status.​

 

[Lycanthrope]

Two of the precedents that RvW is based on addressed that directly. And in those decisions, it was struck down as unconstitutional.

So if the states try it, and SCOTUS denies a challenge or doesnt uphold the precedent, they'll continue to unravel settled law.

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)​

Connecticut's laws against distribution of contraceptives and contraceptive information to married couples are struck down, with the Court relying on earlier precedent involving the rights of people to make decisions about their families and procreation as a legitimate sphere of privacy.​

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Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972)​

The right of people to have and know about contraceptives is expanded to unmarried couples, because the right of people to make such decisions exists due not simply to the nature of the marriage relationship. Instead, it is also due to the fact that it is individuals making these decisions, and as such the government has no business making it for them, regardless of their marital status.​

This court is poised to strike down Roe; in for a penny, in for a pound.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Just your opinion 150 million plus Americans consider it murder

Prove it.

 

[Bear5131]

Prove it.

See the 26 states

 

[minnie616]

See the 26 states

Most Americans oppose overturning Roe v. Wade​

Seven-in-ten say they do not want the Supreme Court to completely overturn its Roe v. Wade decision, compared with 28% who want to see the decision completely overturned.

U.S. Public Continues to Favor Legal Abortion, Oppose Overturning Roe v. Wade

As debates over abortion continue in states around the country, a majority of Americans (61%) continue to say that abortion should be legal in all (27%) or most (34%) cases.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Dayton3]

Let's take a look at the poorer red controlled states. I'm wondering how the state budgets are going to deal with the newborns or will the state just tell them, bend over, grab those bootstraps and pull. We love us some fetus, not so much the babies they turn into.

Their parents can pay for them. We can punish parents that neglect their children then.

 

[trouble13]

Let's take a look at the poorer red controlled states. I'm wondering how the state budgets are going to deal with the newborns or will the state just tell them, bend over, grab those bootstraps and pull. We love us some fetus, not so much the babies they turn into.

Empty threat

 

[minnie616]

Their parents can pay for them. We can punish parents that neglect their children then.

Yep, make them pay , by putting them in jail. Opps that will cost the taxpayers in the red states.

Too bad so sad.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Well they do still have liberals in those states after all

 

[upsideguy]

The Red states will come up with a way to imprison women who attempt to depart the state for abortion.

Not likely. There will always be abortions available for those that can afford them. They will continue to have the need and will continue to want the access. This is fundamentally about control of the masses, not about curtailing abortion.

Lots of guys will be helping their pregnant girlfriends across state lines to get abortions. They'll be happy to contribute to those expenses instead of 18 yrs of child support.

Exactly.... as will plenty of affluent fathers, even from the evangelical community. We can't be having our precious daughters lives turned upside down by a little mistake or we can't have the wife find out about the affair because because of a little pregnancy. Abortion is an necessary evil in our society, but it must only be available to people of privilege as they have the most to lose (so they tell themselves)

This is all very hypocritical from the party that mastered hypocrisy.

Just your opinion 150 million plus Americans consider it murder

Not exactly true, misleading and frankly moot. There are also very large percentage of the population that considers the death penalty state-sanctioned revenge murder. That is also moot. You sort through the issues of abortion and you find that the majority of Americans believe its a woman's right to choose. One could decide that abortion is wrong, but see the need to have it choice for others, which is what the pro-choice position is.

This is an interesting article from the LA Times in 1989 about that nuance.

The Times Poll : Most Americans Think Abortion Is Immoral

Most Americans personally consider abortion to be immoral--in fact, "murder."

www.latimes.com

2. Social and moral considerations on abortion

Relatively few Americans view the morality of abortion in stark terms: Overall, just 7% of all U.S. adults say abortion is morally acceptable in all

www.pewresearch.org

Public Opinion About Abortion -- An In-Depth Review

The subject of abortion has been measured extensively in national surveys over the last 30 or so years and the resulting picture of public opinion is clear: Americans believe abortion should be legal, but on a somewhat limited basis.

news.gallup.com

 

[minnie616]

Well they do still have liberals in those states after all

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From. May 2019 article :


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...conservative-women-dont-all-agree/3749202002/

Nearly one in four women in the USA will have an abortion by age 45, according to the American Journal of Public Health, and they don't all share the same values and political views.
Cultural stigma can make it difficult for any woman to talk about her abortion, but the particular pressures facing conservative women mean that stigma often equals silence.

"Republicans don't have fewer abortions than Democrats or liberals or anarchists or communists. It's that our political rhetoric paints people who have abortions as largely the same – poor women, young women, irresponsible women, women who hate children," said Amanda Reyes, president of the Yellowhammer Fund, which provides funding for women seeking access to any of Alabama's three abortion clinics. "It's gotten us to a point where we can't see the fact that we're all having abortions, and we're doing it for reasons we personally think matter – and that's all that matters. Pro-life women are having abortions, too."