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What happens after death?

ASHES said:
Of course the bible doesn't say just one thing about death, but Elvira is laser focused on the one passage that can be interpreted to confirm her beliefs.
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Please enlighten us and I will prove you wrong...
 
Elvira said:
Deflection duly noted...
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Not at all. My post has always been about kangaroos. Why didn't the all-knowing bible mention them?
 
ecofarm said:
One's spirit or soul goes to a better place. This is not to claim anything supernatural. I mean the essence of a person, the good of the person at least, the influence of a person, goes on into the future multiplying like the butterfly effect. One tiny drop in the ocean with waves beyond the horizon. In this way, we kinda become a part of the future. The future will be a better place because, well, things have in the long term always gotten better.

Bad influence, evil, is discarded by society, derided and forgotten. It doesn't become a part of the future. It wallows in obscurity, all but incinerated by time. That's the hell part.
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People remember John Wayne Gacy more than they do the name of the guy who founded the village where he murdered and buried his victims. Just saying.
 
calamity said:
Not at all. My post has always been about kangaroos. Why didn't the all-knowing bible mention them?
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It doesn't mention polar bears, either...your point?
 
calamity said:
People remember John Wayne Gacy more than they do the name of the guy who founded the village where he lived. Just saying.
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Gacy isn't a part of anything. He's a footnote in history. No one praises him. No one tries to keep his memory alive. No one abides his philosophy. When he falls out of the criminal history books in decades ahead, and becomes a literal footnote, he will essentially cease to exist.
 
Elvira said:
The Bible gives the answers to the pertinent questions...
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No, the Bible shares the perspective of a desert dwelling tribe from thousands of years ago, and mentions nothing beyond a hundred mile radius of where they lived. If that doesn't tell you its BS, nothing will.
 
Serenity said:
...you don't have to deal with backstabbing gutless ****wits anymore.
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An upside of no heaven, if you ask me, because most of those believing they will ascend to it are jerks.
 
calamity said:
No, the Bible shares the perspective of a desert dwelling tribe from thousands of years ago, and mentions nothing beyond a hundred mile radius of where they lived. If that doesn't tell you its BS, nothing will.
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Oh, ye of little faith...
 
ASHES said:

What Does the Bible Say About What Happens When You Die?

Bible verses about What Happens When You Die
www.openbible.info www.openbible.info
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You should read your own link...Ecclesiastes is included...and this...

Psalm 146:4​

When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish

Genesis 3:19​

By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

Most of the rest are speaking of the resurrection...I could explain each and every one to you if you like...:geek:​

 
You don't cease to exist as much as your body quits functioning. The energy that lives within you exists in perpetuity.
Your perspective on the subject changes drastically when you've got one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
 
grip said:
You don't cease to exist as much as your body quits functioning. The energy that lives within you exists in perpetuity.
Your perspective on the subject changes drastically when you've got one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
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What energy? How was it measured?
 
ASHES said:
That leaves pretty quickly after the metabolism shuts down. Also I thought it was 98.6.
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You're probably right. I think 98.7 was a radio station I listened to back in the 90's...no pun intended.
 
Elvira said:
Did he? Jesus was in hell for 3 days, so that is impossible...Lazarus was dead for 4 days...no complaint of being in heaven and brought back to earth or expressing relief from being rescued from hell, upon his resurrection...
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Luke 23
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”




So - you say the thief tagged along too, in hell?

Lol - maybe He told the thief to, "wait for me here. I'll be back."
Or, He bid the thief to go on ahead - maybe escorted by an angel?

Nobody witnessed what was supernaturally happening immediately after their deaths.
But, I dwell on that assurance of Jesus to the thief:

“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”




TRULY.

What does that term mean to you? "This time, I'm not lying?"



TODAY.


What does that term mean to you? "Someday, when I come back?"





What makes you think .................................there weren't any other possibilities other than
drag the thief with Him to hell? :)


"Truly I tell you,.....today you will be with me in paradise.”
Do you imply Jesus was talking gibberish at that moment?

Why on earth do you put any limitations on what GOD can do?
What part of....."...with Him, nothing is impossible," too hard to understand?
 
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Elvira said:
Lazarus was dead for 4 days...no complaint of being in heaven and brought back to earth or expressing relief from being rescued from hell, upon his resurrection...
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Why bring up Lazarus?
How does that mean the thief couldn't have gone with Jesus to heaven, if Jesus gave him that promise?
Those are two separate issues.


First of all, with Lazarus - Jesus was pretty much still going around, healing and doing miracles to prove He is who He claims to be!
What makes you think bringing up Lazarus from the dead wasn't part of the......................... "script?"




Second - Jesus hasn't even been arrested yet - let alone crucified and dying!
He hasn't fulfilled the dying part yet - so how can Lazarus precede him in heaven UNLESS GOD made an exception of him (Lazarus).

Yoooo-hooooo?
There was no recollection of heaven simply because.....................Lazarus didn't make it to Heaven.
Heaven wasn't open for business at the time! How come?
Jesus hadn't died for mankind............yet.


Furthermore.....

Hello? As far as I know, Lazarus was alive!
So, you expect Lazarus would've dropped dead again? :ROFLMAO:



With the thief, Jesus was about to fulfill what He came to do for mankind! He knew it!
He'll be dead in minutes!



John 19
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.”
With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.




What do you understand by, "It is finished?"
A commissioned carpentry job?
 
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Regardless of what my Christian friends on here say, I fully expect that I will eventually be nothing more than a few billion quarks floating around the universe at some point in time.
 
Elvira said:
Did he? Jesus was in hell for 3 days, so that is impossible...Lazarus was dead for 4 days...no complaint of being in heaven and brought back to earth or expressing relief from being rescued from hell, upon his resurrection...
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I didn't say anything about hell.....................................yet.


All I said is that I think, the soul of the faithful goes to heaven when he dies (to await the Resurrection of the dead),and on that day,
I think earthly bodies resurrect and are reunited with their souls.



Now, in addition to that, here's what I think:

Christ will separate the faithful from the rest.
Judgment and sentencing will commence.
The unsaved will serve their sentence for eternity (body and soul).

Another "judgment" will be done for the faithful in terms of............................ REWARDS!
There will be rewards handed out!


The faithful would then be with Christ, populating the NEW EARTH.



What are the New Heavens and the New Earth?​



The current heavens and earth have long been subject to God’s curse because of mankind’s sin. All creation “has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth” (Romans 8:22) as it awaits the fulfillment of God’s plan and “the children of God to be revealed” (verse 19). Heaven and earth will pass away (Mark 13:31), and they will be replaced by the new heavens and the new earth. At that time, the Lord, seated on His throne, says, “I am making everything new!” (Revelation 21:5). In the new creation, sin will be totally eradicated, and “there shall be no more curse” (Revelation 22:3, NKJV).

The new heaven and new earth are also mentioned in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, and 2 Peter 3:13. Peter tells us that the new heaven and new earth will be “where righteousness dwells.” Isaiah says that “the former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.” Things will be completely new, and the old order of things, with the accompanying sorrow and tragedy, will be gone.

In the new heavens and new earth, Scripture says, there are seven things notable for their absence—seven things that are “no more”:
• no more sea (Revelation 21:1)
• no more death (Revelation 21:4)
• no more mourning (Revelation 21:4)
• no more weeping (Revelation 21:4)
• no more pain (Revelation 21:4)
• no more curse (Revelation 22:3)
• no more night (Revelation 22:5)

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What are the new heaven and the new earth? Will believers spend eternity on the new earth, or in the new heaven, or both?
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