What happens after death?

[calamity]

I hope to arise on a healed earth with a new body at some point in the future.

I'm rooting for a second life, but this time as a hot chick.

 

[Dragonfly]

no eternal soul - eternal life

Wait. No eternal soul, but possibly eternal life?

How's that work?

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm rooting for a second life, but this time as a hot chick.

I would prefer something with better graphics

 

[calamity]

I came close enough to dead to have a good idea of how life will end. Calmly. The brain reaches an odd sense of acceptance during that moment.

What goes down after...shrug. Probably not much.

 

[Josie]

I think Biblically conditionalism (eternal existence is conditional on faith in Christ) is the most accurate. Complete death death and destruction, unless one takes the free gift of immortality offered freely.

I get that --- but you think it's not your soul that lives eternally, but everyone will still have their human bodies?

 

[Overitall]

I think Biblically conditionalism (eternal existence is conditional on faith in Christ) is the most accurate. Complete death death and destruction, unless one takes the free gift of immortality offered freely.

What about those who have never heard the Gospel?

 

[Mulefoot]

So this non-existent god and his non-existent son would be so petty to deny "heaven" (which also does not exist) based on them not believing in christ? So the most peaceful/kind/most generous/life saving/saint like figure that lives in a country would be denied based on some doctrine? Sounds totally nonsense.

He's also holy. And like me, you need help in that area. He offers you an alternative and you don't want it.

 

[calamity]

When you die, the body becomes worm food, and the bio chemical electricity bouncing around your skull that is consciousness stops, and perhaps disperses as heat, but otherwise doesn't go anywhere as a cohesive unit.

Unless conscience is deeper than that. It likely isn't anything more than a collection of memories and reactions to stimuli, but the jury is still out on the subject.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I'm just curious of what you all think about what happens after death. Nothing? Your soul departs your body and goes somewhere? Your soul is reincarnated in another human body? What do you think?

Probably a question best asked of those who have had near death experiences. My own mother had an experience a couple years before she passed, where she went code blue while in intensive care. She claimed she felt her soul leaving her body and from above observed the medical team working on her.

 

[Josie]

Probably a question best asked of those who have had near death experiences. My own mother had an experience a couple years before she passed, where she went code blue while in intensive care. She claimed she felt her soul leaving her body and from above observed the medical team working on her.

I've always been curious about people who have had near death experiences. Did she believe in a soul before this?

 

[Mulefoot]

What about those who have never heard the Gospel?

I personally feel that God chooses to save a few - according to his purposes. Jesus himself chose to save some, to heal some, to speak to some.

I have no answers really beyond that brute fact.

 

[Dragonfly]

Probably a question best asked of those who have had near death experiences. My own mother had an experience a couple years before she passed, where she went code blue while in intensive care. She claimed she felt her soul leaving her body and from above observed the medical team working on her.

While extremely fascinating stories in every way - there's non indication anything experienced in those situations are factually true in terms of other realms, meeting dead relatives, and talking to gods.

When the body/brain are under extreme duress, truly bizarre and unpredictable things can happen within the brain.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-near-death-experiences-reveal-about-the-brain/

 

[Dragonfly]

brute fact

What brute fact?

 

[Overitall]

I personally feel that God chooses to save a few - according to his purposes. Jesus himself chose to save some, to heal some, to speak to some.

I have no answers really beyond that brute fact.

Fair enough but I recall a verse that said something along the line that God didn’t want anyone to “perish”. On that basis I assume that His mercy would cover those who haven’t heard.

 

[Mulefoot]

I get that --- but you think it's not your soul that lives eternally, but everyone will still have their human bodies?

Well, I would call it Spirit to differentiate it from what many Christians refer to an immortal soul. Jesus said, "do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul, but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell". Ultimately the body and the soul die (whatever that is) and the spirit - if one has put their faith in Christ - live forever. That's the born again part. We must be born again - spiritually by faith in Christ - to obtain immortality.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I've always been curious about people who have had near death experiences. Did she believe in a soul before this?

Yes she did. While she did not attend church every Sunday, she was a member and believed. There is an interesting book I read by a neurosurgeon who had a near death experience. It is "Proof of Heaven" by Eben Alexander, MD.

 

[Josie]

Well, I would call it Spirit to differentiate it from what many Christians refer to an immortal soul. Jesus said, "do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul, but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell". Ultimately the body and the soul die (whatever that is) and the spirit - if one has put their faith in Christ - live forever. That's the born again part. We must be born again - spiritually by faith in Christ - to obtain immortality.

Ah okay. I was thinking there would definitely be issues if you had to keep your human body.

 

[Josie]

Yes she did. While she did not attend church every Sunday, she was a member and believed. There is an interesting book I read by a neurosurgeon who had a near death experience. It is "Proof of Heaven" by Eben Alexander, MD.

I just wonder if what you believe will happen after death is reflected in what actually happens to you in a near death experience. Would a person who doesn't believe in a soul (or spirit) have the same experience?

 

[ASHES]

Nothing. You're dead.

Those you leave behind when you die will carry memories of you around until they die.
Heaven is when those people remember you fondly.
Hell is when those people carry around some not-so-happy memories.

But in terms of what you personally will experience?
Nothing.
An eternity of dreamless sleep. (sounds rather pleasant to me actually - peaceful)
Just like the eternity of time leading up to your birth. Nothing.

 

[Mulefoot]

Fair enough but I recall a verse that said something along the line that God didn’t want anyone to “perish”. On that basis I assume that His mercy would cover those who haven’t heard.

That's an interesting thought. There are those that believe in "universalism" that kind of pick up on that point. I personally don't see as much support for that as I do conditionalism.

Just my .02.

 

[Peter King]

He's also holy. And like me, you need help in that area. He offers you an alternative and you don't want it.

holy things do not exist, there is nothing out there. And how can someone offer an alternative if they are non-existent?

 

[Mulefoot]

holy things do not exist, there is nothing out there. And how can someone offer an alternative if they are non-existent?

You don't know any of that. God, if he exists, is spiritual. You know that he doesn't exist in natural form is all you actually know.

 

[MAGAnificent]

While extremely fascinating stories in every way - there's non indication anything experienced in those situations are factually true in terms of other realms, meeting dead relatives, and talking to gods.

When the body/brain are under extreme duress, truly bizarre and unpredictable things can happen within the brain.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-near-death-experiences-reveal-about-the-brain/

With all due respect to Scientific American, some of these NDEs have the patients describing in detail things they could only observe from above the scene. If you choose to dispute those accounts, have at it, however unless you have had an actual NDE, then you are just going on faith. Same with Scientific American.

 

[Peter King]

You don't know any of that. God, if he exists, is spiritual. You know that he doesn't exist in natural form is all you actually know.

Actually I do, there are no gods, no magic people and no supernatural. You believe in a spiritual god, good, if that works for you that is fine. I know there are no gods, natural or spiritual.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I just wonder if what you believe will happen after death is reflected in what actually happens to you in a near death experience. Would a person who doesn't believe in a soul (or spirit) have the same experience?

My bet is "yes". Not all of those with NDE experiences were believers. It could be that the soul is indestructible.